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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #195 on: November 02, 2009, 11:52:09 am »
Brett,

It is good to see you landing you your feet now. I was concerned about you for a while.

Patience is a virtue when it comes to working on these relationships. It has taken me a long time to get to that even though I am not at the point I need to be yet I do recognize that.  The 24 hour rule comes from the experience of many mistakes I imagine.  I find it takes much longer to work through issues though.  The most important issue with the 24 hour rule is that once your anger dies down you will be more able to listen. (Maxx, am I right?)

I don't know at this point if I will be able to work through the issues that I am dealing with but I keep telling myself patience.  This is something you will need to repeat to yourself over and over and over again.  Another phrase that comes to mind is hurry up and wait.

The problem here is, and this is only my limited understanding, is that the Chinese people are very patient and can wait while western people are too impatient and want it now.  I know I am that way.

Take a look at a few people who are successful on this site; Arnold, JimB, mpo4746 aka Mike, Maxx, Rhonald, Neil, Paul, David5o, and now Brian.  They all are quite calm, focused, and none of this happens overnight.  I know I missed a few of you; sorry.

Brett as I am telling you this I am saying it to myself also as I need a constant reminding of it.  It is like the old joke, "How do you eat and elephant?  One bite at a time."  Building a relationship with a woman in China takes one step at a time.  This is helping me to become more methodical about what I am doing.  I generally fly by the seat of my pants.  You can make it with Ms. Wu but it will take time and a tremendous amount of patience.

I do think you have one thing right when I look at your most recent post.  It is OK to vent here but talk calmly with her.  Just realize when you vent here everyone reads it and will generally have a comment on it.  If you can't take it then you should not vent.  My wake up moment on that issue was when Buzz said, "didn't you just have a melt down on that last week?"  Buzz if you are reading this is not a complaint. It was one of those wake up moments.

Brett the last thing I will say to you is to listen to what she is saying and what she is not saying.  She has an agenda too and it is in the blending of your two agenda's, not in the impatient demanding, that your happiness will be found.

I think now you are at a place where you can move forward with Ms. Wu.

Shaun

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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #196 on: November 02, 2009, 01:19:22 pm »
Thanks a lot Shaun for mentioning me as one of the successful, patient people.  I've been feeling decidedly impatient lately.  Nina is working hard and studying hard and has little time to chat or even reply to emails lately.  It's difficult sometimes, but you're right, once she has decided that things are a go, nothing will change that, especially time.  I've had an email partially written here on my desktop for 2 days now.  We've chatted twice since I started writing it and I've changed my mind on what to write more than a few times.  Maxx's 24 hour rule on steroids.  

Brett, Shaun's absolutely right.  Just try to understand where your lady's head is at by asking questions, but most importantly, listen to the answers.  The difficult part is deciphering the translations sometimes.  Don't jump to conclusions too quickly either.
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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #197 on: November 02, 2009, 08:32:03 pm »
Greetings Brothers,

Shaun, well said brother!!  Thats about as clear as it can be said and it shows your journey from where you were to where you want to be is progressing nicely.  If we all could be as wise as you and see our own journey so clearly we would all be better people.  

My respects to you Shaun, great insight!!

Regards,

Zhen and Brian

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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #198 on: November 02, 2009, 09:17:05 pm »
That was great shawn, remember to be a good fisherman you must be patent, and have heart.  Listen to what she has to say and all will be well and progress nicely.  Keep in mind that this is for the rest of your life, so just wait and if it was meant to be, it will happen.  The good lord looks after us all.

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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #199 on: November 03, 2009, 01:02:05 am »
Shaun your right.I came up with the 24 hour rule.After I didn't understand what my wife was trying to tell me.On more then one occasion.And every time I opened my mouth to say something to her.I just made it worse.

So one day after a huge argument on Skype.With my wife. I told myself that I wouldn't get drawn into any more arguments
with her.I would give myself 24 hours to calm down and think about it.Give myself a chance to look for the answer on line.And it seemed to work for me.

When I started all of this there was no place where you could go on the internet to look for answers.There was the Chnlove forum.And I read it but at the time it was a bigger joke.Then it is now.Everybody on there was just guessing.Or they were just plane wrong.So I had to wing it.And make the rules up as I went along.
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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #200 on: November 03, 2009, 07:42:39 am »
Shaun - yet I think patience with Chinese women is important, and perhaps we brothers need to have a better awareness of it. I need to bring the extreme patience I use with other aspects of my life (like stock investing) to my relationship.

And yes you are right, I meltdown here on occasions, but due to the 24 hour rule my EMFs are calm and considered. I am even more calm when I am with her in person, and I never even said a word during the wrong tourbus catastrophe.

Anyway, time for another update. Hmm, as you might expect, not much is happening. I am doing my boring job, my lady is doing hers. Sometimes we talk on QQ. My lady has got her hair permed. I love it when it is straight. It is my lady's birthday soon. I sent her some money, but she would have preferred a gift. This is something for the brothers to bear in mind! But the postal service is on strike here, and I had to post something as soon as I got back from Wuhan. Actually I find it encouraging that she isn't after my money.

I sent her an EMF about various marriage/visa options, so she is going to talk it over with her parents.

She thinks we need to learn more about each other's cultures. I am finding it difficult to learn about her Chinese culture. My lady is not at all like the Chinese people I was reading about in my Chinese culture book. She doesn't seem to be superstitious. There wasn't much stigma about the No. 4 in Hubei as there is in Hong Kong.

Talking on QQ about important things is still difficult, so I mainly stick to asking about weather, fruit, and her plans for the evening. I am now doing my Mandarin course and I am starting to make some progress. Coincidentally my teacher is from Wuhan so I can ask her about my lady's province. I am getting good at remembering hanzi characters. I can't yet remember them well enough to write them down. Given I use a computer for most things I don't know if I ever will need to be able to write them. But something is changing in my brain that allows me to recognise them.

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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #201 on: November 03, 2009, 06:25:24 pm »
Brett,

You don't seem to value what you have got, from what I read, esp around posts # 140 plus till almost #200!:icon_wink:

Thanks for sharing your journey her with us...

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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #202 on: November 03, 2009, 06:51:43 pm »
Personally, I'm sick of the postal service in China.  I sent a set of English language CD's over a month ago.  It's lost in the ether somewhere.  Nina figures I mailed it via the moon.
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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #203 on: November 03, 2009, 06:59:12 pm »
Quote from: 'Neil' pid='21876' dateline='1257292303'

...  Nina figures I mailed it via the moon.



ROFLMAO :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:

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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #204 on: November 04, 2009, 01:32:43 am »
Well Neil , at least you didn't have to Vacuum seal them going that Route . :icon_cheesygrin:

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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #205 on: November 04, 2009, 02:04:40 am »
Quote from: 'Neil' pid='21876' dateline='1257292303'

Personally, I'm sick of the postal service in China.  I sent a set of English language CD's over a month ago.  It's lost in the ether somewhere.  Nina figures I mailed it via the moon.


If I had known Neil you could have posted them to my home address in UK and then I could have arranged for Nina to collect them via my lady in Zhongshan.  If you have any copies I am going to UK on 24th November and returning to China on 30th November.

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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #206 on: November 04, 2009, 03:14:18 am »
Still no sign of my lady's birthday card. And my postcards still haven't made it back from China, it's now 17 days since I posted them :huh:.

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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #207 on: November 04, 2009, 07:57:02 am »
Thanks Willy.  I'll think of you next time.  I'm still hoping it will show up somewhere (here or there).
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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #208 on: November 13, 2009, 02:03:39 pm »
Time for another update. I don't know why I do these as sometimes the responses drive me nuts for a while. But we brothers must address the tough issues head on if we are to grow our collective knowledge. I am looking for a wife, so tough questions must be asked of our relationship.

Well there's still not much happening, although my postcards did make it back alive (after 25 days) and my lady's birthday card arrived in time for her birthday :icon_cheesygrin:.

It's almost a month since I met my lady in person. I have had a lot of time to think about things now.

I have thought about the issues we face. The money/spending issues we should be able to resolve, although I am reasonably sure she isn't a scammer. Finding out how little she earnt was a revelation to me, as I did not think that the cost of living in China was that low. I kind of thought she would be on 4-5x as much as she really earns. I know their taxes and rents are lower but based on the prices of watermelons and stuff I now appreciate that her life is tough. We will talk more about money so she can appreciate what we would and would not be able to afford in the UK.

The lack of hand holding and other things in the physical side of the relationship - well I think we need more time. Does she really love me? Well I'm not sure about this. She is very affectionate on QQ (much moreso than some of the other brothers' ladies), but I didn't see it so much in real life. Maybe I should have taken more of a lead. But then I would have run the risk of moving too quickly. Maybe it is just her upbringing. Her parents are very traditional, and I guess they might not necessarily have married for love. I will ask my lady about them (carefully!).

I do still love my lady. I am convinced of this. I have been photoshopping our holiday pictures this week in readiness for printing. It makes me happy to think of the great times we had together. I have had a look at the other lady profiles on chnlove, but I am not really interested in anyone else. Maybe I am obsessing over her too much, who knows?

We've only talked on QQ once this week and she doesn't often answer my text messages. This is bad. I know she is busy and the time difference is a killer, but we do need to talk more often than this, or the relationship will fizzle out. She is busy to the point of making herself ill. I guess if it helps I could ask her to reduce her working hours. I do own my own business, so I am racking my brains for something for her to do instead of her slave job. Obviously I could ask her to give up her job and make up the difference, but that is a big call at this stage in the relationship.

Has anyone experienced something similar? I guess I will have to ask my lady to reorder her priorities. Maybe her parents or friends could help her out. It will be tough, but if she is serious about finding a foreign husband, then she is going to have to find time to do passport applications, complex visa applications, learn English and plan our wedding. Again, this is tough, but at the end of the day there are now 8000+ ladies on chnlove so I will have no trouble finding someone who is totally committed to this, especially now that I have been to China and can demonstrate that I am no timewaster.

In other news I've also started my Mandarin class. My teacher is excellent. It is tough going and I wish I had waited until my lady was here. I am finding it hard to concentrate while I am worrying about my lady. I am starting to appreciate how tough it is to be a language teacher, especially when you have idiots like me in the class. I find it hard to understand spoken Chinese. I am however making good progress with learning hanzi characters and something has changed in my brain that allows me to visualise their forms - once I learn a character it now stays learned.

Aside from my lady, I do have fond memories of China. I have bought a Chinese teapot and I am starting to make excellent quality green tea with the stockpile of green tea I brought back with me. I have started to learn Sichuan cooking. I've had fun relaying my findings to the stock trading forums I post on. Hopefully I can make a return visit to China next year. I would also like to visit other provinces - culturally Hubei Province was totally unlike Hong Kong so I would like to see if that was a Cantonese/Sichuan or a China/Hong Kong difference.

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RE: Hubei Province, October 2009
« Reply #209 on: November 14, 2009, 01:38:20 am »
I had a similar problem with number 2 or was it number 3.

I liked her a lot and then she stopped communicating as well - pressure of work - how long does a text or a quick email take.  The gap become longer between our contacts and eventually I realised that she had other things or persons on her mind and I was not high up on that list.

We went our own ways.

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