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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2010, 09:12:56 am »
Actually the UK news has been quite graphic on this story, C4 news in particular.

I guess the worst country to live in the world just got even worser, which always seems to happen unfortunately.

By the way, for UK brothers the Kevin McCloud thing about Indian slums on C4 is worth a look (part 2 is on tonight). Living conditions are much worse than anything I saw in China, but the poverty stricken people seem just as happy as the folk I saw in Wuhan. I loved his observations about the granny preparing her vegetables on the floor, it was exactly the sort of thing that troubled me in Wuhan!!!

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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2010, 09:56:20 am »
somethings that go on in china are not for the faint of heart Brett

 i saw that the first cargo plane of food from china has arrived in haiti
 this is a welcome relief for them and much needed

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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2010, 10:07:56 am »
Oh I saw many disturbing things in China. But what disturbed me most was the Yichang convenience store that stored the drinks cans upside down (ring pull end face down). I have never seen this done anywhere else on the planet :huh:.

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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2010, 10:31:55 am »
No Brett , ring pull down is the way to go , saves getting to much dust on where you are going to drink from , regards Ying and Robert
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2010, 10:57:38 am »
thats true plus the handling of the cans are
 from the bottom. i still to this day drink my
 soda or beer with a straw if i dont have a clean glass
 to drink from

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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2010, 12:13:29 pm »
Struggle to get aid to Haitians as looters roam

Associated Press Writers
1 hr 11 mins ago

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – Hundreds of U.S. troops touched down in shattered Port-au-Prince overnight as U.N. and other aid organizations struggled Friday to get food and water to stricken millions. Fears spread of unrest among the Haitian people in their fourth day of desperation.
Looters roamed downtown streets, young men and boys with machetes. "They are scavenging everything. What can you do?" said Michel Legros, 53, as he waited for help to search for seven relatives buried in his collapsed house.

Hard-pressed government workers, meanwhile, were burying thousands of bodies in mass graves. The Red Cross estimates 45,000 to 50,000 people were killed in Tuesday's cataclysmic earthquake.

More and more, the focus fell on the daunting challenge of getting aid to survivors. United Nations peacekeepers patrolling the capital said people's anger was rising that aid hasn't been distributed quickly, and warned aid convoys to add security to guard against looting.

On Friday morning, no sign was seen of foreign assistance entering the downtown area, other than a U.S. Navy helicopter flying overhead.

Ordinary Haitians sensed the potential for an explosion of lawlessness. "We're worried that people will get a little uneasy," said attendant Jean Reynol, 37, explaining his gas station was ready to close immediately if violence breaks out.

"People who have not been eating or drinking for almost 50 hours and are already in a very poor situation," U.N. humanitarian spokeswoman Elisabeth Byrs said in Geneva. "If they see a truck with something, or if they see a supermarket which has collapsed, they just rush to get something to eat."

The quake's destruction of Port-au-Prince's main prison complicated the security situation. International Red Cross spokesman Marcal Izard said some 4,000 prisoners had escaped and were freely roaming the streets.
"They obviously took advantage of this disaster," Izard said.

But Byrs said peacekeepers were maintaining security despite the challenges. "It's tense but they can cope," she said.

The U.N. World Food Program said post-quake looting of its food supplies long stored in Port-au-Prince appears to have been limited, contrary to an earlier report Friday. It said it would start handing out 6,000 tons of food aid recovered from a damaged warehouse in the city's Cite Soleil slum.

A spokeswoman for the Rome-based agency, Emilia Casella, said the WFP was preparing shipments of enough ready-to-eat meals to feed 2 million Haitians for a month. She noted that regular food stores in the city had been emptied by looters.

More than 100 paratroopers of the U.S. 82nd Airborne Division arrived at the Port au Prince airport overnight, boosting the U.S. military presence to several hundred on the ground here, and others have arrived off Port-au-Prince harbor on the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson.

Helicopters have been ferrying water and other relief supplies off the Vinson into the airport, U.S. military officials said.

"We have much more support on the way. Our priority is getting relief out to the needy people," Lt. Gen. Ken Keen, deputy commander of the U.S. Southern Command, told ABC's "Good Morning America."
The command said other paratroopers and Marines would raise the U.S. presence to 8,000 troops in the coming days. Their efforts will include providing security, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.
Hundreds of bodies were stacked outside the city morgue, and limbs of the dead protruded from the rubble of crushed schools and homes. A few workers were able to free people who had been trapped under the rubble for days, including a New Jersey woman, Sarla Chand, 65, of Teaneck, freed by French firefighters Thursday from the collapsed Montana Hotel. But others attended to the grim task of using bulldozers to transport loads of bodies.

Driving a yellow backhoe through downtown Friday morning, Norde Pierre Rico said his government crew had cleared one house and found four people alive. But "there's no plan, no dispatch plan," he said, another sign of a lack of coordination and leadership in the rescue and aid efforts in these early days of the crisis.
Experts say people trapped by Tuesday's quake would begin to succumb if they go without water for three or four days.

Haitian President Rene Preval told The Miami Herald that over a 20-hour period, government crews had removed 7,000 corpses from the streets and morgues and buried them in mass graves.
For the long-suffering people of Haiti, the Western Hemisphere's poorest nation, shock was giving way to despair.

"We need food. The people are suffering. My neighbors and friends are suffering," said Sylvain Angerlotte, 22. "We don't have money. We don't have nothing to eat. We need pure water."

From Europe, Asia and the Americas, more than 20 governments, the U.N. and private aid groups were sending planeloads of high-energy biscuits and other food, tons of water, tents, blankets, water-purification gear, heavy equipment for removing debris, helicopters and other transport. Hundreds of search-and-rescue, medical and other specialists also headed to Haiti.

The WFP began organizing distribution centers for food and water Thursday, said Kim Bolduc, acting chief of the large U.N. mission in Haiti. She said that "the risk of having social unrest very soon" made it important to move quickly.

Governments and government agencies have pledged about $400 million worth of aid, including $100 million from the United States.

But the global helping hand was slowed by a damaged seaport and an airport that turned away civilian aid planes for eight hours Thursday because of a lack of space and fuel.

At Toussaint L'Ouverture International Airport, a stream of U.S. military cargo planes was landing Friday, but they had to circle for an hour before getting clearance to land because the quake destroyed the control tower and radar control, and the U.S. military was using emergency procedures.

Aid workers have been blocked by debris on inadequate roads and by survivors gathered in the open out of fear of aftershocks from the 7.0-magnitude quake and re-entering unstable buildings.

"The physical destruction is so great that physically getting from point A to B with the supplies is not an easy task," Casella, the WFP spokeswoman in Geneva, said at a news conference.

Across the sprawling, hilly city, people milled about in open areas, hopeful for help, sometimes setting up camps amid piles of salvaged goods, including food scavenged from the rubble.

Small groups could be seen burying dead by roadsides. Other dust-covered bodies were dragged down streets, toward hospitals where relatives hoped to leave them. Countless dead remained unburied. Outside one pharmacy, the body of a woman was covered by a sheet, a small bundle atop her, a tiny foot poking from its covering.

Aid worker Fevil Dubien said some people were almost fighting over the water he distributed from a truck in a northern Port-au-Prince neighborhood.

Elsewhere, about 50 Haitians yearning for food and water rushed toward two employees wearing "Food For The Poor" T-shirts as they entered the international agency's damaged building. "We heard a commotion at the door, knocking at it, trying to get in," said project manager Liony Batista. "'What's going on? Are you giving us some food?' We said, 'Uh-oh.' You never know when people are going over the edge."

Batista said he and others tried to calm the crowd, which eventually dispersed after being told food hadn't yet arrived. "We're not trying to run away from what we do," Batista said, adding that coordinating aid has been a challenge. "People looked desperate, people looked hungry, people looked lost."

Engineers from the U.N. mission have begun clearing some main roads, and law-and-order duties have fallen completely to its 3,000 international troops and police. David Wimhurst, spokesman for the U.N. peacekeeping mission, said Haitian police "are not visible at all," no doubt because many had to deal with lost homes and family members. The first U.S. military units to arrive took on a coordinating role at the airport.

Batista, the Food For The Poor project manager, went back to the Dominican Republic late Thursday and awaited the arrival of 100 shipping containers loaded with rice, canned goods and building supplies.

"I don't think that a word has been invented for what is happening in Haiti," he said. "It is total disaster."

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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2010, 02:08:04 pm »
My thoughts go with the families...

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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2010, 03:05:46 pm »
An update on what's going on here in the US. ALL Haitians that were to be deported for being here Illegally are now getting VISA'S to allow them to stay for up to 18 months? We will be rebuilding the country. Give give give, the funny part is they HATE Americans. They are rude, they rape, murder and rob from anyone. Sure let them stay? Let them live in Washington DC, see how they like them.

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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2010, 05:07:19 pm »
Just reading a recent article....

With aid still scarce in many areas, there were scattered signs that the desperate — or the criminal — were taking things into their own hands.

A water delivery truck driver said he was attacked in one of the city's slums. There were reports of isolated looting as young men walked through downtown with machetes, and robbers reportedly shot one man whose body was left on the street.

An AP photographer saw one looter haul a corpse from a coffin at a city cemetery and then drive away with the box.


So tell me, The country is surrounded by the best fishing in the world and nobody knows how to fish? to keep from being hungry. I'm not saying don't help them. I'm saying let them do for themselves and clean up the mess they have there. They would have water if they didn't throw all their rubbish into the streams and other water supply. Look at there history and you'll know why.

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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2010, 05:14:08 pm »
Whilst filled with sadness and horror for all the innocents who have suffered in Haiti......Our TV is carrying many clips of gangs armed with machetes roaming the streets, looting and intimidating survivors.

Somebody should shoot these bastards and let the International Community rush to the aid of those who deserve it.

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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2010, 06:48:49 pm »
seems like even the bad ones come out during bad situations to
 reak havoc. but i think its a small percentage of people and there
 are many who are good and need the help.  we have the same in the
 states when a disaster happens minus the machetes. or some racially
 motavated sitiuation.

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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2010, 07:41:31 pm »
Vince, don't be too harsh with the Haitians, that country has been on the brink of implosion for over 30 years ... it's a disaster, and the people are not at fault. It's the international community that exploited them, supported crook dictators ... the people have a right to hate most countries, including France of course, I'm not pointing fingers.

The reason why their water is polluted is because they burned their vegetation for cooking, because there was no other fuel. Erosion does the rest, and to go fishing you need boats. I did some snorkeling on a little island next to Haiti, there were no fish larger than a quarter anywhere, this was 30 years ago.

I usually don't but I will donate this time, even if it looks like Haliburton will make a fortune again :icon_cheesygrin:

The US are invading Haiti right? 10K soldiers just for peace keeping? :angel: That's a good thing in my opinion by the way.
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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2010, 10:05:39 pm »
Like I said don't get me wrong I'm not saying don't help. But I see the US is going to go overboard on this and move the whole damn population here, rebuild the entire country with new buildings and homes and then sit on it like Iraq until they chase us out as they did once before when we were there to help a few years ago.

I'm right here in the middle of it all. Some are real nasty if you say anything to them. Just today I went to pick up a few things at the supermarket. In the produce aisle there were two women (Haitian), They don't stop the cart along where they are picking their choice they put the cart across the aisle so no one can pass. I'm first on like one the left and another spanish lady is on the right both waiting and then the line grew all waiting for them to move the cart. Well they did, they turned it around across the aisle again??? EXCUSE ME? Got me a dirty voodoo look. Common sense 8-9 people waiting for an opening and you don't move the cart?? It's on purpose.  Oh by the way they do it with their cars as well. They won't move them either. So the US government will give them a year and a half (18 months) visa? This is a repeat of the 80's for the Cubian's I guess they didn't learn the lesson. Remember Scarface and Miami Vice? That was the outcome of it.

They are already shipping in victims here. I live a mile from an airport. The activity of planes going over has increased greatly. This is where they flew in those missing students.

And Frank, no need to tell me what they did to the French in colonial days. They haven't changed, that's the point.

Here's the local paper article on just what I was saying...

South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

Haiti evacuees arrive in South Florida
Vice President Joe Biden warns of difficult aid and recovery effort
By Anthony Man and Brian Haas, Sun Sentinel
January 16, 2010

Evacuees from Haiti have begun arriving in South Florida and across the United States as relief efforts struggled to gain a foothold in the quake-ravaged nation.

Planes carrying the injured and foreign nationals fleeing for safety landed throughout the day at airports from Miami-Dade to Palm Beach counties. The airlifts were part of a massive U.S. relief effort that Vice President Joe Biden said on Saturday would be long and difficult.

"There is going to be a lot of second-guessing," Biden warned at a meeting with Haitian civic and political leaders in Miami-Dade County. "We're going to get all this in shape, but I just want everybody to know this first 72 hours, this first week, is pretty hard to get everything we need in there."

Local families with relatives in Haiti have struggled to reach loved ones since Tuesday's devastating earthquake. Biden sought to assure them that the U.S. would do all it could to help.

"How deafening that silence is for so many Haitian-Americans," he said, describing attempts to get news about family members. "I can't imagine how searing the pain they feel is."

That pain was reflected that evening at a vigil at Toussaint L'Ouverture High School in Boynton Beach. More than 100 people crowded the school's lobby as somber faces murmured quiet prayers and community leaders spoke about local relief efforts.

"More help is getting into Haiti. More victims are being found," said Joseph Bernadel, co-founder of the charter school. "More people are receiving food and water."

And more people are learning the terrible toll the earthquake continues to exact.

"I found out I have three or four cousins who died in Haiti," said State Rep. Mackenson Bernard, D-West Palm Beach. "I found my sister's home is destroyed."

But while relief efforts continued at a frenzied pace, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, traveling with the vice president, directed a hard-line message to those who want to help.

Turning to directly toward a bank of television cameras, she told Haitians not to attempt to flee and come to the United States. She said they would be sent back.

Napolitano said attempts to leave the country would hurt the recovery effort by diverting resources from providing relief to interdicting those trying to leave. On Friday, she signed the order granting temporary protected status to Haitian nationals who already in the U.S. when the quake struck. But it doesn't apply to any new arrivals.

"There may be an impulse to leave the island to come here. You will not qualify for TPS status," she said. "This is a very dangerous crossing. Lives are lost every time people try to make this crossing."

Biden promised that the U.S. response would last long beyond short-term, immediate needs, but people need to realize that Haiti has limited capacity to receive people and supplies because of airport and port damage. And the U.S. needs to respect the sovereignty of the nation of Haiti and comply with its requests.

Biden and Napolitano urged people to send money instead of goods, given the country's fractured transportation.

"The number one need of all of these groups is just plain, cold cash," Napolitano said.
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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2010, 11:37:47 am »
Quote from: 'Vince G' pid='28420' dateline='1263697539'

And Frank, no need to tell me what they did to the French in colonial days. They haven't changed, that's the point.



Hehe sorry, I meant it the other way around, what the French did to Haiti ... and some other countries which I won't name... What Haitians did as a result could be called a mild  and justified revenge.
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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2010, 03:25:10 am »
With 8000 US marines there, I can tell you that the first asshole to pull a machitie on them will be looking down the business end of
an m-16....:s