South China Trip

[jeffm]

Hello all

I did try to put a post up a couple of days ago, but as I was finishing my information just vanished into cyber oblivion.  It took the wind out of my sails, and wasn’t going to start over at that time.  No word back from the mods, so I assume it must be my computer.  

My last main post was a week ago now.    

She would hand over the card that was given at the beginning so they could scan it and tell her how much to pay.  The interesting part of that I found out is when they scan that card it also measures the time it took to go from one booth to the next.  If you arrived at the next booth too soon then they would give you a speeding ticket.  If you were 5 to 10 mpg over the speed limit then you pay a 200rmb fine.  It keeps going up the faster you go like any other speeding violation.  Just a little of the big brother control this system has.  

Jeff, First for the disappearance of the post? It only happen once and it was an admittance of the poster of making a mistake. So I couldn't give an answer. I have no idea what happen?

Toll Booth, Obviously you never driven the eastern seaboard of Interstate 95. In New jersey for sure they do the same thing. Your given a card and the time is stamped on it. Going to fast? I don't know the outcome, I always stop for coffee to kill the time so they don't get me for speeding.... Suckers. :icon_biggrin:

Yes to tell  you the truth i really think it is  my computer.  This would happen doing a letter in Chnlove, so after one or two loses I learned, but got complacent doing the letter her.  I don't think I'll make that mistake again.  I had to do  some venting after spending a good hour on it, well it felt like an hour lol.

I did not know that about the eastern seaboard.  Stopping for coffee is fine to kill clock, but if you are trying to make time then you can't.  I've been saying the past 10+ that we're getting more socialist by the year, so I am not shocked.

Okay 32 that sounds good.

I'd like to talk to you about the possibilities.  You are plugged in there, so you have a feel for what is going on.  

Yes I've seen the same thing on the first impression when walking into a school whether it be for Chinese or ESL.  I will say that Wall Street does it right and the plan is to deliver it much the same as they do.  Very professional but relaxed at the same time.  Not too cold an atmousphere.

Hi jeff,
I actually visited the 3 top ESL schools some years back to propose some business deal. That would include Wall St amongst others. I would say the other 2 were quite paternalistic or condescending, and I speak good Chinese + English. You are right, you or me can easily do better than them.

Hey 007,

I visited Wall Street here in Shenzhen.  They seemed to run a first class operation, but I have to say the recruiter was condesending.  Took me by surprise.  If my recruiters did that I would correct it with them or they would be gone.  How much revenue can be lost by that attitude.  I smell complacency. lol

[Vince G]

The trip on the NJ Turnpike is only a few hours (2 I think with that system?). It's about 1100 miles from NY to Florida I've driven it many times, more then I have fingers and toes? In cars, trucks, whatever. So that short time on that road traveling is nothing when stopping for coffee. Not even drinking it there but on the road is enough to throw the time off. Have the same thing down here on the Florida Turnpike. But nothing is done if you clock in sooner then.

[jeffm]

i just got off of qq ing with my Nanning translator for the past couple of hours.  

I did find out about the list of profiles and why I didn't hook up with any of them.  She told me that I have a keen eye lol and picked their most popular girls.  They are looking for a prince with money haha.  Some didn't like the fact that I did not post my income in my profile.  So there you go.  These are the Chinese princesses.  They're not looking for marriage, but looking for dare I say a surgardaddy?  They are out there, but it shouldn't be surprising.  Oh and one more thing they don't have to pay a membership fee.  These girls make them money, and many letters from around the world come in for them.  I wonder what percentage would they account for of the total EMF revenue.  Hmm.

[David5o]

jeffm,

What sort of age range are you actually looking at there in China??

David....

[Vince G]

Yeah Jeff they're out there. Some agencies pull this off but at what percentage of them? I don't know. Besides, I NEVER gave my income from the start. Keeps them away... :icon_biggrin: I could stay right here in the US and get that all day long.

[odysseus007]

Hello all

I did try to put a post up a couple of days ago, but as I was finishing my information just vanished into cyber oblivion.  It took the wind out of my sails, and wasn’t going to start over at that time.  No word back from the mods, so I assume it must be my computer.  

My last main post was a week ago now.    

She would hand over the card that was given at the beginning so they could scan it and tell her how much to pay.  The interesting part of that I found out is when they scan that card it also measures the time it took to go from one booth to the next.  If you arrived at the next booth too soon then they would give you a speeding ticket.  If you were 5 to 10 mpg over the speed limit then you pay a 200rmb fine.  It keeps going up the faster you go like any other speeding violation.  Just a little of the big brother control this system has.  

Jeff, First for the disappearance of the post? It only happen once and it was an admittance of the poster of making a mistake. So I couldn't give an answer. I have no idea what happen?

Toll Booth, Obviously you never driven the eastern seaboard of Interstate 95. In New jersey for sure they do the same thing. Your given a card and the time is stamped on it. Going to fast? I don't know the outcome, I always stop for coffee to kill the time so they don't get me for speeding.... Suckers. :icon_biggrin:

Yes to tell  you the truth i really think it is  my computer.  This would happen doing a letter in Chnlove, so after one or two loses I learned, but got complacent doing the letter her.  I don't think I'll make that mistake again.  I had to do  some venting after spending a good hour on it, well it felt like an hour lol.

I did not know that about the eastern seaboard.  Stopping for coffee is fine to kill clock, but if you are trying to make time then you can't.  I've been saying the past 10+ that we're getting more socialist by the year, so I am not shocked.

Okay 32 that sounds good.

I'd like to talk to you about the possibilities.  You are plugged in there, so you have a feel for what is going on.  

Yes I've seen the same thing on the first impression when walking into a school whether it be for Chinese or ESL.  I will say that Wall Street does it right and the plan is to deliver it much the same as they do.  Very professional but relaxed at the same time.  Not too cold an atmousphere.

Hi jeff,
I actually visited the 3 top ESL schools some years back to propose some business deal. That would include Wall St amongst others. I would say the other 2 were quite paternalistic or condescending, and I speak good Chinese + English. You are right, you or me can easily do better than them.

Hey 007,

I visited Wall Street here in Shenzhen.  They seemed to run a first class operation, but I have to say the recruiter was condesending.  Took me by surprise.  If my recruiters did that I would correct it with them or they would be gone.  How much revenue can be lost by that attitude.  I smell complacency. lol

Actually jeff, I met the Wall St guys in Beijing. The top brass were all Americans, and did not put on any airs at all.... long story short, they actually offered me some sort of nice post, for which I am grateful, but wasn't my intention at that point of time. They were also very open minded in discussions, and can think out of the box. The stuckup ones were New Oriental and Global (although I had moles planted on the inside). The Principal of New Oriental Tianjin is a pompous scumbag. The Beijing top managers are okay, but not into rocking the boat.

[Vince G]

Wall St guys? I knew a few. My cousins husband was one, left it years ago. Another was in the movie "Trading Places" on the stock market floor standing right behind the actors, short guy blond hair. I always laugh at that screen. Just I knew him well.

[jeffm]

jeffm,

What sort of age range are you actually looking at there in China??

David....

Hey David

26 to 32007

Actually it was the recruiter.  The GM is an Australian and didn't come off that way.  I talked to him a little.  He was professional and forthcoming with information of their school.  The manager was also professional the same way.  A Chinese/Western woman.  Both gave a good impression.  I bet they don't know the recruiter comes off in the way I mentioned haha, but it will filter to them eventually.  Especially if her numbers are not making quota haha.  Yes I'm also familiar with the New Oriental school in Beijing.  I didn't get a chance to visit Global while in Beijing.Today my plan is to visit the Oriental agency here.  I'll post what I learn from them.

It's called "taking one for the team" here.

I really hope the information I gather helps everyone and most especially the new guys.  They are the ones who can get taken to the cleaners so to speak.  I came into this largely naive, and took my lumps, but learned a lot from it.  I could have saved some money if I was on this site earlier last year.

I need to start posting some of my pictures.

[David5o]

jeffm,


There are a lot of those ''Chinese Princesses'' in that age range, especially those that have never been married, and are under 30. I'm sure there parents want to unload themselves too and as quickly as possible ...too much of a drain on the Bank of Mum and Dad!! ....haha!!

Best of luck to you!!....

David......

[jeffm]

jeffm,


There are a lot of those ''Chinese Princesses'' in that age range, especially those that have never been married, and are under 30. I'm sure there parents want to unload themselves too and as quickly as possible ...too much of a drain on the Bank of Mum and Dad!! ....haha!!

Best of luck to you!!....

David......

Yes I bet when their daughter gets into the second half of their twenties the parents are looking for an out haha.  

So you are the one that coined the phrase "Chinese Princesses"?

[jeffm]

I just came back from visiting an agency.

Shenzhen Oriental Love Consulting Co. Ltd. - I was greeted by their team leader who listened to why I was there and immediately without hesitation took me into an office where we sat down and we went through their database.  I felt very comfortable right from the start, and never had the feeling that they were hiding something lol.  She answered all my questions.  She wasn't exactly sure how many women they have in their database, so I tried to help her, so I said "300, 400, 500?", and her reply was yes she believes so lol.  She did say she wasn't exactly sure out of wanting to give me an exact number more then anything.  They have about 20 translators of which only about 6 or 7 were there as the others are away in other towns with their families, so if you guys have not recieved a letter reply from a girl in this agency then that is why.  They are short staffed and will be until after the holiday.  They are open Monday thru Sunday from 9am to 6pm.  They get a ton of letters as she said they are always crazy busy.  By looking at their database I could see why.  They have many beautiful women.  I didn't even finish as there were too many for me to write down. I didn't have to stay there very long.  Regarding the fees they charge.  Just recently she said they don't charge the ladies an initial membership fee and invite them to look through the Chnlove site and thier own web site Eastloving.  If they are interested in a guy then they can meet them.  If they like the guy then they kind of leave it open ended for them to pay the agency something.  She said generally they charge the lady about 7000 rmb to sign up.  She said they stopped charging for a marriage and leave it up to the couple of give what they feel is fair.  She did say they do charge for using a translator in town.  She said it is 200rmb but I would guess that would be per hour.  Not really sure.  I was surprised about their fee charging and asked her about that and how other agencies charge a lot more.  She said they have been in the businesss 9 years and have learned that they actually attract more ladies and more business with their fee structure.  

Outside of the good agency in Changsha this agency most impressed me.  I would highly recommend this agency and the Nanning agency 608.  I felt like I could visit this agency any time.  That's how it should be.

[Voiceroveip]

I think it would beneficial to create an agency reviw thread without free posting, maybe only mods who could collate individual reviews, a one stop shop for newbies so to speak. What do you think guys?

[odysseus007]

I think it would beneficial to create an agency reviw thread without free posting, maybe only mods who could collate individual reviews, a one stop shop for newbies so to speak. What do you think guys?

Yes, good idea. That is why 2 days ago I created one based upon my ongoing "experiment". But I invite all brothers to post freely. I consider this a sort of Wikipedia effort. Or in honour of Willy, Willipedia. 2 other threads also existed but are closed to new posts by the mods, with periodic summaries.

But why no free & open posting? I would say, details of why a good or bad rating was given would be of interest to noobs. Sometimes, like in the case of Rob, a case study will be very helpful because it may not be clearcut whether an agency was innocent or guilty.

[Voiceroveip]

But why no free & open posting? I would say, details of why a good or bad rating was given would be of interest to noobs. Sometimes, like in the case of Rob, a case study will be very helpful because it may not be clearcut whether an agency was innocent or guilty.

Yes true, but the threads become long and messy. This forum is a goldmine of information in many domains, but the information is always cumbersome to find. Another solution would be a forum section specific for agency reviews with one thread per agency ... where everyone could post freely ...

[ttwjr32]

thats a good idea Frank. but based on dealings with the agencies directly not from
meeting your lady. you know emails direct to them or visits to them. (agencies)
talking about were you met your lady is frutal as some have met a good lady at an
agency that isnt the best. and if someone gets a writing from one of the poor agencies
then maybe reply; im sorry but based on the agency you are with i decline to write you
as they are not of good standing with our rating system. just a thought?