Here I go again...

[Vince G]

OK How about having a Fund set up to help Rob and we all contribute what they can? I'm just the idea man, does anyone here have experience with this sort of thing?

[Neil]

At the end of the day, when my visa runs out, I will just hand myself over to the police and hope they deport me...One way or another I will get back to the UK.  I have all day long to think about different ways of getting back.  If I don't get deported, then I will get by....

Didn't you say that they won't deport you?  They aren't likely to pay for a flight home, and bill you.  I don't think jail is much of a free ride either.  I'd head to an airport - you can hang out there for a few days. 

Ok, was the ticket that got torn up an open-ended ticket (use at any date)?  losing it is the same as tearing it up - it has to be replaceable.  in fact, I've never even had a return ticket printed.  I just showed up at my scheduled time and showed them my passport and they printed me a ticket.  Rob, we're gonna need details if you want us to help - which airline, specifics.  And a timeline would be nice - when exactly does the visa expire?  It would really suck if we manage to round up a trip home and we have no way of contacting you because you're living under a bridge somewhere.

[joeswuhandream]

As far as what as happened Rob it is embarrassing to say the least
I feel the way willy feels at this moment  dam mad

but I hope you return home and go get yourself a job very quick and try to rescue your relationship

 (I have a saying never kick a man when he is down )   so do what you have to rob

buy the way  willy I was told by my lawyer
that the minimum income need to bring  your wife to England is £800 per month ( net of our wonderful extortionate tax ) food for thought?
as a final note you have to be prepared to work long hours if you have not got the money in the bank to pursue you Chinese dream
and that my friend Rob is the bottom line
now who is shedding the tears now ?? 

[Martin]

As the site admin, I will speak for the forum staff. This is not a personal thing, but we do not support setting up a fund. If anyone wants to do this privately, then this is their choice. Many factors were discussed before reaching this decision. Rob went to China a little less prepared than he should have. Maybe Rob can go to those that helped him go there, to get home again.  This entire situation is more than a little upsetting to me, and goes way past what this group was started for. Members are now feeling obligated to provide financial assistance. I don't agree with this, and it should never have been asked of us.

[Scottish_Rob]

....it should never have been asked of us.

martin I agree wholeheartedly with this.

The only thing I can say is sorry

[Neil]

....it should never have been asked of us.

martin I agree wholeheartedly with this.

The only thing I can say is sorry

That's a bullshit answer.  We're here to help, if not financially, then we should help in other ways.  This is a support forum.   But it's pretty hard to help when people aren't honest with themselves, let alone the with the rest of the members.  Ah, maybe you're getting the help you need via PM or QQ.  I hope that's the case.  Good luck.

[Scottish_Rob]

what do you want me to say Neil?

I know this is a support group, and what I asked should not have been asked of the members.  Buit at the time it felt like it was my last hope.  I had tried other avenues on my own, through my family, through friends in the Uk.  My 'Sponsor', I could not even have the 'GUTS' to ask for his help.  Do you really know how embarressing for me this is?
Do you really know, how it feels, to have to ask anyone for financial help like this?

I could have done this privatly by PM, BUT I chose NOT too.

I opened  up to EVERYONE ON HERE, THE WHOLE MEMBERSHIP, and done it that way.
Do you know how it must feel, to think what 400+ guys 'think' about you?

Yes I was 'less' prepared than I thought, and yes I 'will' tear up my passport when I get back (if I get back). 

What else can I say?

I am NOT getting any help from anywhere, but thanks anyway Neil

[Neil]

At the end of the day, when my visa runs out, I will just hand myself over to the police and hope they deport me...One way or another I will get back to the UK.  I have all day long to think about different ways of getting back.  If I don't get deported, then I will get by....

Didn't you say that they won't deport you?  They aren't likely to pay for a flight home, and bill you.  I don't think jail is much of a free ride either.  I'd head to an airport - you can hang out there for a few days. 

Ok, was the ticket that got torn up an open-ended ticket (use at any date)?  losing it is the same as tearing it up - it has to be replaceable.  in fact, I've never even had a return ticket printed.  I just showed up at my scheduled time and showed them my passport and they printed me a ticket.  Rob, we're gonna need details if you want us to help - which airline, specifics.  And a timeline would be nice - when exactly does the visa expire?  It would really suck if we manage to round up a trip home and we have no way of contacting you because you're living under a bridge somewhere.

Answering questions couldn't hurt.

[Paul Todd]

Rob,

I would not under any circumstances hand myself over to the Chinese police. That is just crazy talk what do you think they are going to do? At best they will tell you to go away and at worst put you in the cells for who knows how long. If you can get no help from anyone then sell your laptop and get a bus ticket to Hong Kong. You get an automatic 6 month visa and as it use to have close ties with the UK chances are you will be treated better. Do it now, don't wait for the time you have left to be legally in China to run out. As Neil has pointed out answering his questions might also help you too.......

[Scottish_Rob]

Ok firstly Neil I apologise...

I had already mentioned that the Uk embassy won't pay for any flight home.  They will only repatriate DEAD people.  My thinking was that REPATRIATION and DEPORTATION were two different sides of the same coin. Meaning I thought they were diffent.

The ticket could not have been open ended because, the airline operators would not change it.  Apparently, this could only be done by 'going' to the place I got the ticket from.  Which is in Barrow.

I had the money to change the ticket, but when I found out it could not be done, I STUPIDLY went and usud it on a flight to Beijing, BECAUSE the way I was reading things, I WOULD BE REPATRIATED...

My visa expires on the 31st October
I am in Zhucheng, the airport out would be Qingdao (Tao)
Airline would be eaither China Southern or China Eastern

My original flight detail were qingdao - bejing - Amsterdam - Manchester

thank you anyway

[David E]

Hi all

I just signed on for the first time to read the "Rob Horror Story"

I dont know what was the full story...but I can see the disastrous ending......

I will pay to get Rob back home again...but I dont know how to  go about it "cause I am in China (*Chengdu"

Anybody got any clues how I can go about doing something ?

David

[maxx]

David E that is very generous.You can buy Rob the ticket just like Mike said.And Rob can pick the ticket up at the check in desk.Using his passport.

[Scottish_Rob]

Thank you David...You know the rest...

To let the others know, I have already thanked David by PM

[Neil]

That is very nice of David.  Sorry if I seemed a little short or snappy Rob.  I know how stressful and uncomfortable (frightening even) this all could be.  Get home safe.

[chen yan]

“I could not even have the 'GUTS' to ask for his help.  Do you really know how embarressing for me this is?
Do you really know, how it feels, to have to ask anyone for financial help like this?”

I can understand, but when you face to "emergency",there is not"embarressing" to feel about.
One of my friends have a hardest time in his life these days because of his father was in hospital need 400.000RMB or so , he use up all his money ,and borrow from his family and best friends, but still lack of  money to pay the hospital. he has no choice to ask girls for help. What I feel is I am shameless that I only can gather Fortieth to help but I have try my best.  This make me think if one day it happens to me, what I can do ?