Does the United States Government Have a Heart.

[Jimmy]

This thread will probably be removed, And for the way I feel I don't even care anymore.

In Answer to the question Hell No. They are a bunch of greedy rotten Bastards. And Care nothing about the people that give them all the money they have. And my wish is they all burn in hell.

Got a letter today, Your request for expedite has been denied, Oh and here's another letter.
Your application has been Denied. I called and the response I got, get this   We don't need a reason.
But you can file again if you wish sir. At $400 a shot and wait 7 months to be told NO with out a reason or even asking me a question. Fat chance of that happening.
These people are real lucky I am in China right now I really want to beat the crap out of someone.

So I am left with 2 Choices. 1. Abandon my wife and go home. or 2. Abandon my Children and stay here.  What kind of country would make a person make a choice like that.

That country is not fighting terrorist it's creating them.
I don't even know what to do now. And the Lawyer I hired he is worthless. My 8 year old Daughter could have done better. 
Now I have spent well over 20k Have a wonderful wife and 2 baby girls that love their Daddy with all their heart. And the US government wants me to kick one of them to the curb.

I am very very ashamed that I must be called an American.

And I still have to find away to explain all this to my wife, But I can't tell her until I have a plan. She would send me home to the girls, and not really want to, she is just a wonderful person like that. Always thinking of everyone but herself.

And to top it off the woman at USCIS I spoke with could barely speak English. And they worry about a guys wife being able to speak it.

Well if they are trying to make me go off the deep end now is the time I am right on the edge.

[Arnold]

Wooooo .. Jim , take a deep breath and think before doing something you'll regret and hurt all you love .
I know it's easy to blow a Fuse with these People working ( hahaha ) in our Government Offices . It truely is sickening . You need to find a better Lawyer , that REALLY understands your case and can almost garranty you success the second time around . I fell for your Wife , but you do need to attend to your Children for now first . Loose some steam through seeing them again and your lovely Wife will know that this is right for the moment . It will hurt her of course , but this is the best I think .

Blood Sucker's their are .

[mustfocus]

Jimmy,

Really sorry to hear about this.  But the first thing to do is step back and cool down first.  I know you're pissed, but if you go off in a mad dash, it's not going to help.  Now after you've cooled down, see if you can talk to someone (or visit the embassy/consulate depending on where you are) and try to figure out why they gave you a denial.  If you get agressive about it with them then they might make things worse.

You could also see if you could write your local congressman.  Might not help, but it most likely won't hurt either.

[David E]

Jimmy

You know we all here are so sorry about your bad news, Man, that sucks.
NO Government has a heart...it a fact.
I dont know a lot about the processes that your Government go through to arrive at the decision to deny your application, but i do know how this works in the Australian Immigration Dept.....

Applications for fiance/spouse visa are rejected because basically a few reasons: (your wife being the applicant and you being the sponsor)
1) Criminal record of the applicant
2) Health issues of the applicant
3) Inability of the sponsor to provide proper level of financial support
4) Failure to demonstrate that the relationship is genuine

Our Government also will never tell us why the application failed, but we have a legal appeals process where we can get the case reviewd for a second look.

Nowhere in the guidelines would lack of english speaking ability lead to a rejection.

Number 4 is usually the biggie......this is aimed at the guys who make one holiday trip, fall in lust with a Thai bar-girl after getting pissed one night and want to bring this piece of crumpet to Aus to continue the high life !!!

I dont know how this all stacks up against the USA regulations ?....is there a listing somewhere that illustrates these guidelines for USA citizens making these applications (about rejection criteria) ??

The point I make, is that for some reason or other, you did not satisfy some of their conditions of entry....your Lawyer should firstly not have allowed the application to proceed if he felt you were short on any criteria, and secondly should be in a position to have a good idea why the application failed.

Seems that you must get a decent Lawyer for the next round, because they SHOULD be on top of this stuff...its what you pay them for !!

Meantime, hang in there buddy.....your wife will understand and support you in this...even though it is tough for you both.

I would be pretty sure that getting aggressive/hostile with these clowns will not serve you well...they can stall you until hell freezes over if they wish...and they are not accountable, you have no power here....you just gotta go with the system...it is a bummer, but thats how it is. So try to stay rational (difficult I know) and work smarter, not harder 

As they say..."nil carborundum"

David

[Jason B]

Jimmy, I really feel bad for you and your lovely wife.  I can only offer you my sympathies and agree with what everyone else has said, calm down a little first, reread everything submitted and look for a reason why this has happened before continuing with anything else.  Oh and fire that lawyer and demand a refund for not being able to dot his t's and cross his i's.  If you are like me and sometimes in the excitement of submitting an application (loan or whatever) it is easy to overlook something that may seem irrelevant but is very crucial to the application.  Not saying that you are an idiot like me, just trying to see a reason from my experiences.

I have been looking into the Australian visa requirements and timings etc and I can tell you NO Government has a heart.  I am starting to think that it will be easier to get her to go to Indonesia and float over here on a door and get picked up by the Navy.  At least that way she would be able to get straight onto the Government gravy train like all the rest and not have to prove that I can support her and do the right thing etc.

[Irishman]

Sorry to hear your troubles Jimmy, I can empathise with how you feel though for sure.
Getting mad at government is always counter productive in my experience.

Like the other guys have said, try to take a step back and once you have calmed down get another lawyer and take his professional advice, your current one doesn't seem to be up to the job.

[maxx]

Jimmy I'm real sorry to hear this.You will need to find out why the application was denied.The requirements that David E listed for Aussie immigration.Are almost the same Requirements for U.S immigration.Also you can. appeal the denile.

The first thing I would do is get rid of your lawyer.And have them send you all the paper work.That they submitted to U.S. immigration.The second thing I would do is call Holmes and Lolly.In La jolla Ca.They specialize in applications that have ben denied.If Holmes and Lolly take your case.Immigration will think hell has come to breakfast.And they are the main course.Holmes and Lolly are expensive.But they get the job done.

Take 24 hours and cool off.All hope is not lost yet.I know a Chinese woman who got denied 6 times.She just kept resubmitting the app.Until GZ got tired of her and granted her a visa.When you cool down talk to your wife.See what she thinks.Why can't your daughters come to China and live with you thiere?They can go to School on line.I know thiere is a American school in Shanghai.My Boy's doctor.Has a brother who teaches English.At the American school.So it can be done.

[shaun]

Jimmy, I really feel for you and agree with you.  I think the guys have given you some good advice.  Maxx's 24 hour rule rules in this situation.  You can work your way through this.  It is going to take a little longer is all. Maybe even take some time and go see your girls.  If you cool down and call them back I bet a little of smooth talking and you will find out why she was denied.

Good luck, Shaun

[Scottish_Rob]

Jimmy I am so sorry buddy,   Ditto what everyone is saying...Hang in there, TRY and stay cool

[Buzz]

Jimmy.  sorry to hear about the letter and the problem.  Listen to the advice. Kick the lawyer to the curb.  You will need a lawyer, and per the suggestions. you need to get one that has experience with the visa process from China.  When  I went looking for a lawyer, the first quesion i asked,  "how many successful visa's have you gotten from China in the past year?" and "Can i talk with the successful people?"  It took a while but i was able to find a good lawyer.  He is married to a lady for Korea, has a very good success rate with visa approval form Korea, Vite Nam and China.   
Now for the bad news.  He was very clear that the government could say no to the visa and not offer any reason.  You can petition for a reason and you may or may not get a response.  That is just how the process works.  Not fair, but then again this is the government.
Now for the good news.    Almost all applications that are submitted a second time are granted.  The reason is that you have 7 or 8 months more of verified communication and commitment.   I wish you well.    I can only say that your decision between your wife and your children is very difficult.  having two daughters of my own, i would go to the young children.  They do not understand time, governments, or what is just and unjust.  All they understand is that there dad is not there. 

best of luck.  buzz

[ttwjr32]

 Jimmy,

Please calm down and think this thru. Im sorry to hear this but there is always a solution to every problem. I would
venture to say that it was denied because of the health problems that you have. You see our wonderful govt is
wondering what will happen to her and who will care for her if something should happen.

Now the next step in my opinion is to get an attorney and make sure its a different one, have them refile for you two.
Explain the process of what will happen in the event of any unfortunate situation. I mean like were she will live how will
she be provided for so on and so on.

I will give you an example: when i retire the medical will be provided for me and wife, and of course i get my retirement
but in the event of my demise she still keeps the medical and she also gets my retirement for the rest of her life. So she
will be far from a burden as our wonderful crappy gov't would say. This will provide for her quite handsomly the rest of her
life.

Now if she decides to come back to china at that time then as long as she keeps the direct deposit she can also withdraw
the money here in china from the city account. And there is nothing that the govt can do for that as it is her money until
she dies. Then it becomes part of the estate. For my children in the USA.

So Jimmy there is a solution, i dont know your situation but i am sure this can be done with yours maybe not the medical
because i pay for that each month for retirement but your retirement can be the same as mine. So get an attorney to
explain the long term plan and what will happen if you should not be with us.

Keep your head up and dont do anything stupid or irrational. To hell with the 24 hr rule get on the phone and get that attorney
NOW and start the process with him or her guiding the way. Best wishes for a success with this.

And i am looking forward to seeing you in the USA either at the lake or Stockton. I will be back there for 30 to 45 days to sort
thru some things sell all the furniture and art, settle with the insurance company and get a work visa. I will also have to have a
check up on my cancer situation also. That will be the only thing that will extend my stay if i need another operation.

[Jimmy]

I have no Idea what happened. All the criteria you guys mention I fill it all just fine. My wife has zero criminal record. She is as healthy as anyone I know. I have plenty of money. and number 4 we live together for goodness sake. My Lawyer didn't even know about it.
He is one lame sob but he has 1 more chance. I was pretty nasty, and being a lawyer he was pretty submissive.  I have been very generous I think. I gave him until 10/29 to get my wife an interview date. And his question was or what. ( I'm an Angry man dieing of boredom) I go to every forum I can find, Every site I can find and I will tell my tale. And of coarse I will mention the name of the lawyer.
He says he can get it straightened out.  Up until now only a few friends know who he is. And I will keep it that way if he does as he has promised. Or at least I will keep my promise and never mention it on the open forum.  So I guess we wait, 17 days and see what happens.

I did have to tell my wife about it. she got real scared looking and asked me. So are you going to divorce me? I asked why such a silly question. She tells me if I can't go to the USA with you I am no value. I sat her down and the calm came back to me. And explained that I love her not the USA. I can live without them. but not without her. But we will go. Someday someway we will go.
She doesn't understand why they would do this. All I could tell her is it's the United States the place where everyone wants to go and be treated like this.

[Scottish_Rob]

....I sat her down and the calm came back to me. And explained that I love her not the USA. I can live without them. but not without her. But we will go. Someday someway we will go.
She doesn't understand why they would do this. All I could tell her is it's the United States the place where everyone wants to go and be treated like this.

NOW...THAT'S the Jimmy we all know....Good on you son...

[JamesM.Roberts]

Very sorry to hear this Jimmy VERY SORRY!! Please don't do anything rash-just keep comforting the one's you love - your wife and daughters- you have my best wishes James

[Jimmy]

Sorry to hear your troubles Jimmy, I can empathize with how you feel though for sure.
Getting mad at government is always counter productive in my experience.

Like the other guys have said, try to take a step back and once you have calmed down get another lawyer and take his professional advice, your current one doesn't seem to be up to the job.

I would have been happy to take the advice of this one, if he had bothered to give any. Most of what he did was send me different files and things and tell me read this. So I did, and I kinda thought he might be good at this in China since he is Chinese. And he was not real expensive actually cheap as far as lawyers go $1000. And claims to have a 100% success rate.
Maybe he has a 100% success rate helping people immigrate from Oaklahoma to Bakersfield.
But my wife and have been talking all day about this. I was up at 1am when I read the mail. And have been up ever since and still didn't even get dressed today. Anyway I think we have a good plan and if she can keep it together while I am gone. We should be OK.
I told this lawyer the 29th but I may go sooner. Because the Fares to the US all go up on Nov 1 I guess because it's pretty much the start of the holiday season. But if he comes thru and gets her what she needs I am happy to change my plan.
Assuming the worst. I go home to the US during the last couple days of OCT. First things first, I go get hugs and kisses from the 2 most special little girls I know. And tell there mom to smooch the Pigu. Then I get started We are going to need a new house, I need to fix the truck, Find a new lawyer, shut down some legal the ex was planning. Pretty much prepare for my wife's home coming.  I can be there thanksgiving with my girls as I promised. maybe even Christmas it all depends on the next 17 days. Regardless I will be there and can regain control of my life and my family. And they won't pull anything if I am there looking.  Before I leave China my wife and I agreed I will pack all I can carry home. Leave like 3 changes of clothes in China and when I come back I can come with a pretty much an empty full set of luggage.  And I will book my trip 2 weeks before her interview. And fly straight to GZ, and meet her there with the rest of our stuff from the house here. and she can pack it all in the luggage and we are ready to go. She goes to the interview 4 days later we leave.
Just a rough draft of it. But I will fill in the blanks as things are more for sure. Like I told her today, Someday Someway we will go home. And I want more sooner than later.