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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #150 on: September 24, 2009, 12:35:14 am »
I also forgot to notice that Dora told me "you know how to reach me if you need me, so..."
so I know what to do.
by the way, the other One (Cecilia) is very "strange". She calls me when I'm not at the hotel (she calls in my room) and when she calls me when I'm outside, it's from a number I don't know at all, so I can't guess who's calling me (and more than less when I don't know who is speaking when there's no "hello, it's ...." and because of too many noise)
Well, she said she'd call me later tonight but I have big doubt about it.
By the way, here are some pics I took in Shanghai since yesterday :)

NB : small update from yesterday : I was right, Cecilia didn't come, nor that she called. Anyway, I'm going to visit again today, but maybe in solo (alone) this time :)
Arnold, I've just seen your message as I was updating my thread, so, yes, for sure, right choice with the right lady is to do :) but I think anyway I have to wait a bit (on saturday, so :) )

People Square's photos :
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Nanjing Road's photos :
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #151 on: September 24, 2009, 04:24:03 am »
Little update on that Thursday :
I decided to ask someone of the hotel to call again Flora as she said she wasn't free when I arrived in Shanghai.
She said the man I asked the service that she could not see me, and he translated it to me, so I asked "why did she give me her phone number, so?" he then asked her, and it seems that she could not go to my hotel, and that she ends her works at 07:00 pm tonight. She also gave her company's adress to the man who was helpful (as her english is very poor, a bit as my chinese), and so, she will wait for me there.
So, in a bit less than one hour I'll have to prepare myself, because of the traffice jam, I should arrive at the meeting one hour later.
I'm also glad to be able to meet her but I have some doubts now about her, because she firstly said she could not see me.
Well...
I'll tell you later about it, how it was, even if so short... :)
However, whatever happens, I'll try to go again to Nanjing Road tonight, alone or not. :)
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #152 on: September 24, 2009, 05:19:15 am »
Wow, Yoshinoya and Pizza Hut. They were just about the only two places I ate at in Hong Kong (as the ordering was relatively straightforward). I hope they are in Wuhan as well.

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #153 on: September 24, 2009, 05:24:03 am »
:D flying up to HK just to eat some Pizzas? lol
About Yoshinoya, I don't know what kind of food man can eat there, but I doubt it is Pizzas ^^'
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #154 on: September 24, 2009, 12:20:05 pm »
Thursday night : W.A.F without translator...

So, tonight, I had to see the famous Flora. A very beautiful lady in pictures via Chnlove and via only one mail of her. But it was just with one picture and she was very beautiful on it.
Many problems at first to be able to see her, first time she was "not available" because outside (out of Shanghai) and she should had been back for today and then calling me.
Guess what? She didn't. But I did call her.
When I was ready, in fact, there was no taxi waiting for me... I had to ask once again, and finally, ten mins later, I got one and I arrived at the adress that Flora gave without any problems.

I was a bit anxious because I heard lot of people singing and I thought she wanted to take me to any karaoke for a first rendez-vous... omg... we could had kill many ducks tonights if I had to sing ^^
Well, so, I asked anyone to call her for me and to say her I was arrived.
A few minutes later, I saw a lady, smart one (little?) and very beautiful, coming slowly in my direction.
So, I knew it was her and her first words were "nice to meet you", but ... the problems were only beginning.
Go and try to guess that her english is as good as my chinese is, just a few words per moments, and she was really "deceived" when she didn't understand quite once of my chinese words :(
I then showed her via my mobile what I wanted to say, and she said "ahhh", and she said "it's ok".
I think in fact, I heard that hundred times tonight.... :(
So, we were looking for a restaurant, I asked her about some chinese one, and she showed me ... an italian one. I smiled a bit, I then told her "zhong guo", and I showed her all the pizzas and the pastas, and she understood. I said again "bu zhong guo", even if I think the sentence is not correct.
We walked a bit some more, I tried to do some other sentences, but even in english, I was wasting my time, and hers, too.
I think I would have dug my own hole just to sit in it and to wait one day for the hurricane to be gone away. I think I've never felt so poor to discuss with someone, even if I tried all my best to talk to her (even with drawing)...
We finally arrived in a restaurant, it was like a french one (the name was french, in fact), and she asked for a card where we could order, but with pictures on it, so that I could know what to order.
She ordered one soup for her, and 2 drinks, (like some orange juice and watermelon one) and I ordered anything else, which was like some menth, in fact. I tried something that seemed a bit spicy, I could not really say what it was, but I can say that anyway, it was quite good.
I tried so, to talk again with Flora, but all I could do was always hurting myself against the big wall and hearing "wo bu dong".
You can guess that less than 15 mins later, I just wanted to go back home and leave China definitively and never would hear about it up to the end of my life.
'GOT IT... or not?
I don't know why it happened but it did..
Flora had just finished to drink her 2 drinks and her supp and she told me something that I didn't understand at all.
I saw she went away but she didn't say me she was going to closets or anywhere else.
Gues what? I just guessed 3 mins later that she was gone, without saying any "thanks", "bye" or anything like this.

I was very angry and sad too because of the situation.
I waited about 5 mins, she wasn't back.
I then finished to eat, I asked the bill, I paid all (just 98 rmb's, so it was quite correct) and when I was leaving, she was coming back.
But I had left the table where we were sitting.
I looked at her, surprized, and same to her. She asked "why, why.... you, you?" and I replied, "dui bu qi, I didn't know, come, come", and we went outside.
I felt very bad and sad because I did a mistake, I think I should had waited more for her.... W.A.F.
I asked her if she wanted to eat, she just replied "no, no, it's ok"... but I think she was hungry, in fact.
She showed me the closets (I suppose she was there in fact...) and asked me "you want to go?", and I replied that no, it was ok... (it wasn't but I was worried about the situation)
I tried many times to explain her I was sorry about the restaurant and that I thought she was going home, she always replied "wo bu dong".
I was losing my face. Anything I tried to talk with her was like a shame for me.
I blamed to be so bad in chinese. I tried to tell her that we would need a translator, no way to make it understand...
I tried to relax, but no way... I felt more and more embarrassed and confused than anything else, in good conditions...
We then looked for some clothes, and she smiled a bit, showing me a dress and seeing if that could fit me, and I smiled in return, too. We found some nice clothes for her, but when she saw the price (429 rmb's), she wanted to go away (it was like some french shop, so maybe would it have explained the price, I don't know).
By the way, one of the sellers was a little good in english, but when I asked her to translate my mistake about the restaurant, she said anything else to Flora and she didn't understand why I wanted her to come with me at home... I just said "tell her that I'm sorry, I thought she wanted to go home in fact, because she left me and said nothing" ) but oh well... it was a very bad time :(

We stopped into a Starbuck's coffee and I ordered a Frappuccino, with some caramel.
I showed Flora some pictures about my daughter, she liked it, she smiled because I drawed a little face, saying "ni", and the face was sad, and I told her again "ni". She looked at me, and I said "wo yao", and I drawed a smiling face, she just laughed at it, so it was quite nice to be able to make her smile and laughing.
The lights inside the Starbuck's began to shut down and the man who took my order said it would close at 10:00 pm, and it was almost 09:43 pm in fact.
But when I tried to say it to Flora, she just saw the "21:43" and didn't understand. I tried to understand and translate but it was very hard.
I just can say that, still right now, I always feel sad about that situation... Because of the language barrier, the night was more like a nightmare than anything else, with birds, bees and so on...
She had like a pendant and I told her the name was the same as my daughter, in fact, the meaning (I tried all my best to translate "meaning" while I was drawing it. She didn't understand :(

So, it was almost 10:00 pm and we have to leave.
Flora, once outside, just told me "you need taxi", I understood and said "yes" but I think that in fact, she thought I needed to go home when it would 10:00 pm, but what she might have thought wasn't what I wanted to say.
I also tried to tell her I'd like to see her again tomorrow but with a translator, I drawed the word "translator", I even showed a computer, I wrote "zhong guo" on my mobile, just under, I put "translator", and at the bottom "fa guo", and I showed 2 directions. It seems that she could have understood that but it just seems.

Finally, she stopped a taxi, I first wanted her to go into it, but she said "no", so then I came into the taxi and went back to the hotel. I looked Flora 3 times and she smiled to me, but I think I can say she lived a real nightmare, too.

Once in the hotel, I wrote her directly on Chnlove, I think that there's nothing to lose or win, by now, into that "situation". Even if, before the meeting I was really happy to see her. Well, I'll see what she would reply.

By the way, Cecilia tried to join me 2 times, I got voice messages, I had to call her back, so I will see her tomorrow, so that we could eat together, by night.  I'll see how it would happen, as she already knows I had to meet 2 other ladies and going to Guangzhou.

Well.
Nothing else to say, no pictures today, and I would add "it's ok"...
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #155 on: September 24, 2009, 01:06:24 pm »
Wow mate...So sorry...This language barrier must be dreadful when you are in that situation !!!:huh:

Let us hope that when your letter is translated by Chnlove, she will see what went wrong...:sleepy:

Good luck mate.

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #156 on: September 24, 2009, 01:17:10 pm »
sounds like a really frustrating night Sylvain.  Keep us posted on whether she writes you back.

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #157 on: September 24, 2009, 02:33:13 pm »
Wow, that's a shame.

I do know from my experiences in Hong Kong that it is totally impossible to communicate with Chinese people who cannot speak English. Someone who knows a tonal language has absolutely no idea how to listen to a non-tonal language. This is not like going to another European country, or even Japan. We might as well be from Mars. Please please please guys, remember this as it is as important as the 24 hour rule :huh:.

I am taking a chance visiting my lady next month without a translator. However, we have talked on Skype and I could understand her. We're also both computer geeks so if we can't talk to each other we'll retreat to cyberspace and talk from our respective hotel rooms :icon_cheesygrin:.

P.S. Yoshinoya branches in Hong Kong were a kind of McDonalds but serving decent Asian food. They have a card menu with a lot of set meals and it's dead easy to order in there. They are also in Japan, but they serve Ramen and the whole set up is completely different.

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #158 on: September 25, 2009, 12:22:14 am »
Quote from: "Flora"
dear Sylvain,

so happy to get your email and so happy to meet you last night. I feel so terrible sorry for my English. I tried very hard to understand you and make myself understood.. I hope I didn't make you upset too much but I really feel very upset for myself, for my English. I do want to meet you again sylvain, but I do not have any electronic translator and the real human translator is expensive. They cost 500yuan for two hours.

I found you a taxi was because I thought you do not like me for you pay the bill in the restaurant and want to leave alone. I supposed you want to go back to hotel so I help you to get a taxi. But you were thirsty and want some coffee.

It's so good that you will come to the expo in shanghai next year. maybe you will bring your little girl with you. I know she will be so happy to come to china^_^
Are you packing all the things for tomorrow now? have a great day Sylvain.
Big hug,
Flora

As I would say, I'm very happy Flora wrote me back and posted good comments. So now, I just have to see what to do. For sure, I would really like to see her again before leaving Shanghai on next Saturday. But it will be a bit difficult... Well, I'll have to see :)
I wrote her back, saying she didn't have to worry about yesterday and the fact that I paid the bill, just because I had to pay it, anyway. I told about many other things, and that I felt upset because she didn't eat much ... (just one soup)
Well. What else to say?
I don't have any news about Dora (she also knows I had to see other ladies and told me "it's your life" and "if you want to see me, you have my phone, you call me, it's ok", and about Cecilia, I must see her tonight.
I would say that, between my first story with no "Plan B" and this story, there are many differences. One thing is sure anyway, I won't leave China without any good memories and maybe a new love...
Just have to see how things will turn out in the following days. Maybe some of you would say "don't run after too many rabbits, You'll go back home alone with nothing in your hands/love", but ... as I have many opportunities and as I need to see many ladies and to know if everything is different or not than via EMF's, I'd have a better idea and the face to face is really useful. I just know by now that I really want to see again Flora. Even if the language is difficult, I will see for an electronic translator, ASAP.
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #159 on: September 25, 2009, 04:53:46 am »
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Wow, Yoshinoya and Pizza Hut. They were just about the only two places I ate at in Hong Kong (as the ordering was relatively straightforward). I hope they are in Wuhan as well.

Brett, most restaurants will have English type of menus.  All of the good ones do, they have chinese and below it English so it should not be a problem.
Sly, I am happy things are going well.  Much better than last trip.  Yes, it is tough when you are trying to communicate with someone who has no idea what you are saying.
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #160 on: September 25, 2009, 07:05:50 am »
Sylvain, I arrived in Changsha last night bro! It's awesome! Stupid Asiana airlines left my luggage somewhere. Add me on QQ! I'm staying with girlfriend and we are having the time of our life! Unlike, some people I go to China and not watch TV all day or sit in front of monitor
(with no life)! LOL...some people talk and some of us walk!!:icon_cheesygrin:...Everything is set besides luggage...and we are going to Macau October 4. Hungout with another bro from Las Vegas and his wife! Anyways have fun bro!

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #161 on: September 25, 2009, 07:43:34 am »
'BigButt, I already added you on QQ :huh: but it seems you not connected ;)
by the way, tomorrow so is the day for Gz and meeting Lyian.
Tonight, I "Should" meet Cecilia... well, up to now, she didn't call me but she said she can't call on international, so she would call directly the hotel where I am, in my room...
but if I have no calls in 2 hours, I'll change my plans for tonight... hopin' that I could see either Flora or Dora...
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #162 on: September 25, 2009, 08:37:02 am »
Geez... Sly, It seems you have fun of your life despite some breakdowns, happy for you. But believe me i wont want to be in your skin When it comes to making a choice!

No i am not going to tell you " dont run after many rabbits " but what about this one: " Not to see the forest for the trees "! But its so exciting to know who will win the match of taming you at long last. Keep on having fun buddy.

Abigbutt... Have a nice trip and a lot of fun with your lady. Keep us posted anyway.

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #163 on: September 25, 2009, 10:43:52 am »
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but if I have no calls in 2 hours, I'll change my plans for tonight... hopin' that I could see either Flora or Dora...


... or Nora or Lora or Moira or Gloria  :icon_cool:
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #164 on: September 25, 2009, 01:33:53 pm »
sly go for DORA:icon_cheesygrin: