China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => The Campfire => Topic started by: Scottish_Rob on September 03, 2009, 06:31:36 am
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Just thought I would let you guy's do a bit of light reading...This is my autobiography, will just put excerpts in for you to get the story line...
Arnold let me know your thoughts on this please...
A quick synopsis...
This is a true story about a young man who left home at 15 years of age, to go to a new home, job and country. You will get to know about this persons life before he left his homeland, and also get to know about his time spent there, you will hear of his hopes and aspirations for his future. You will hear about his family, friends, enemies and loves, you will see in your minds eye the situations that made him laugh, cry and totally confuse him. However, this story is not told in the normal way, it is done through flashbacks, while at the same time, telling the story of what is happening to him now, and how he views things in present day situations.
Chapter one
Well here it is, I'm sitting on a chair in a relatively dingy market stall, in a comparatively dingy market town in the North West of England. I've been selling an assortment of biscuit tin lid pictures, by that I mean picturesque scenes, all types of art materials, all sizes of mirrors and an hotchpotch of toy's ready in the lead up to Christmas, to a procession of boring unemployed and elderly people. These people do not really want to buy them, or cannot in reality, afford too, but still they come "That would look nice above the mantle piece (fireplace)", or "Wouldn't Jamie or Sheila like that for his or her bedroom".... sickly too sickly for me (ugh). I shouldn't actually be annoyed I suppose, these (morons, or should I say) customers, are for the moment, keeping food on my table. But why am I being all sanctimonious, well lets be honest about it, if people want to throw their money away, they why can they not throw it in my direction, how did I get to this point in my life? Well this year is 2004 and the world hasn't changed much in my in my 47 years on it, a war not long finished in an Arab country, although there are still insurgents in it, a war that we should not even have been in, we won I think, well perhaps that's not true, nobody really wins a war do they? Politician's are in-fighting again, there is cries of bribery and corruption, there are people 'starving' all over the world, 'homelessness' is at an all time high (again), 'unemployment' again has peaked, the 'economic' situation is also in some sort of disarray, and the 'drug and gang' culture is rife and thriving on every major street, in every major town and city in Great Britain, so there you go, nothing changes. Lets start by taking a look at me and my life, both in the present, and in the long ago past, 'I was a contended', I know, I know, it sounds like a boxing term, but seriously, I was... You have heard it all before, you know the story, young lad leaves home at a comparitivly early age, makes good, gets close to the finish line then mucks up, although in my defense, it wasn't quite as simple as that, I swear if that quote was made someone specific, then it was made for me.
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Your not the only one. :icon_biggrin: I've rewrote it like ten times, so far.
Chapter One
After all this time, there has been many changes in the world. It has come to this? As far back as I can remember, I wanted to do great things. Many times in my life I wondered why I held on to life. I was a good person. Took care of people when they needed help. I was never greedy or competitive and I treated all people fairly. And yet life kept holding me down? This was my Shake, Rattle and Roll, doing everything to keep me from progressing ahead. I found how the past connects to the future as you become the person you are. I don't consider myself an average guy. I've always been different, deep in thought and feelings. I try to hide it from others as well as I can.
The times I have seen. The adventures taken. The memories that swirl around the head and pop up when a song or music triggers it. The friends I have and lost. Those fun times where i laughed so hard. Are they gone? Sometimes i wish i should have taken a different path.
The Nature thing: Lets go back to a time when I was a young boy. Lying on the front yard lawn, watching the clouds and making forms of them. This was life to me in the late 1950's, Hicksville, LI, NY. There are times even now when I check out the sky or a spectacular multi-colored cloud sunset, It brings me back to those days. I have always had some fascination with the stars, and clouds, and sunsets.
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I think all and everyones Life Story has to be pretty interesting , as not one is the same ... seen through the Eyes of that Person .
I myself like Story's that start sad ( yes like mine ) and come to a very happy ending . Showing People , that don't care how or why you feel the way you do ... live goes on . It does not stop for anybody .
Rob , I have noticed reading your's ( not that i'm an expert ) but your sentences are too long with too many comma's . I use Microsoft Office Word and let me tell you it helps a lot , to get it right . Word's , sentences , grammar ect. .
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It started because of my kids. It wasn't the divorce so much as being scammed by her. I wanted the kids to know the whole story so I started writing and writing and had to put in how things happen this way etc. Soon I realized it was more of a book.
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Hi Rob,
I'm not an expert on novel writing but I have had a few of my plays performed in London theatres, so am always looking for the dramatic hook in stories, that ability to go for the jugular in dramatic terms. In my opinion your recent experience of confronting your ex has all the elements of gripping drama. He wants to tell her like it is, but when faced with her will he? Won't he? The audience are on the edge of their seats, not only that, when he is brave enough to confront her, there isn't a dry eye in the house and everyone identifies with you. It's like the end of Rocky or Shawshank Redemption or any other struggling against the odds story.
But your synopsis doesn't grip me like that - it's like the story hasn't started yet. Where's the drama? Flashbacks are more than normal, they're overused, so need to be used carefully, if at all. As Arnold says, sad to happy is often a good trajectory in a story. If we see our hero (you) experiencing undeserved misfortune at the beginning, we will sympathize with you. A successful autobiography or biopic movie focusses on a particular intense period in that person's life, which, by its very intensity, brings out that person's real character. Quite often, inclusion of superfluous biographical detail detracts from the power of that exploration of a short period of one's life. Correct me if I'm wrong, but now is one of the most intense periods of your life. It's your story, but I think if I were writing the story of my life, there would be a Chinese adventure at the heart of it, then with all kinds of references and yes, flashbacks to other parts of my life.
I hope this makes sense to you and some of it is useful.
good luck, Alex
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Alex , When my Book is finished , I will seek for it to become a Movie for sure . I think it has ALL the element's of a great love story and drama at the beginning , with unbelieveable twists and turn of event's during my last almost three year's . This is the time frame that I'm covering of my Life .
I myself can only encourage other's to write . If they feel ; they have something to give to the world , to learn from or just to enjoy .
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Yes mate it does, I too have played in many 'Theatres' around the UK, and not just in Pantomimes...
The thing you have to remember though is that this biog was written before my adventure started on Chnlove, as I have said I have the last 6 years to include, which of course will have to start again in the present... I just want to retype it into the comp first... There are 2 ways I could write this adventure into it, by using it from the front, or adding chapters at the back where I originally finished, not quite sure yet, but will wait til I see the completed version. Although it's a biog, most of it takes place in my Jockey years, 'growing up' that I think is where the true story was...
So the synopsis will be rewritten...it has to be hehe
Before the adventure here began, I thought the 'story' will be sad and infectious as you are taken through it, my main theme of it was 'how' I made the grade as a jockey and subsequent reason 'why' I had to stop, i.e. accident, and my fightback to running my own business and into the present with grand-kids...
That first piece I showed was my opening paragraph...When I started I was speaking to a lady that has had a few (5) books published, and the main thing I took from her was, get the audience within the first two pages and you will be fine..After the first two pages, without the 'grip' then all it is is tosh... The beginning will probably be from me and Keren getting married.
But thank anyway mate, your opion is very welcome...
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Vince very interesting opening mate, why don't you try and finish now???
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Vince very interesting opening mate, why don't you try and finish now???
I work on it from time to time. One problem I have is naming names? Should I? or shouldn't I? Then there is the "Oh! I should have put this in?" and end up moving stories around so it's more coherent.
Org. it bounced from beginning to end to the middle? Some pages I just added notes to remind myself to put the story on that page? I'm not even up to the 1980's yet? :icon_biggrin:
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Opening page, Chapter Two...
I awoke at 6pm the next morning when I heard someone come barging into the room and shouting "Come on.. waken up lads it's time to go". I jumped out of my bed startled, and grabbed a towel then went to go and get washed and dressed. Once dressed I then followed David out to the yard. It looked so different in the morning hazy light compared to the previous evening it was beautiful, it's a sight that I will never ever forget. The sight of all the trees all green and bright through the hazy sunlight. The white buildings with their shiny black doors glistening from the sunbeams coming from daybreak. I will never forget the smell of the morning flowers, or the pungent aroma coming from the horse boxes. Or the look of the wet morning dew of the grass that carried on the hot breeze that met us as we reached the yard proper.
The date I started was April 1st, all fools day! I really don't know if that was an omen, you know, am I a 'fool' for leaving home and doing this. Even at that early age I thought about mad things like that so I was hoping and praying that it wasn't. As we walked into the square yard you could hear the chattering of the birds, the chickens clucking, the horses neighing and some kicking the doors. The yard (visulise this) had three sides that connected to each other, each side had 15 boxes each with a horse in it, in the middle of the yard was a large oak tree. In the corner one of the boxes had been converted into a feed house, this is where the head lad was to make up the individual horses feed and or medication. In the other corner there was a passagway that led into an even bigger yard. Well when I say yard I mean area, in this area were two rows of twenty boxes and another row of the same amount in the process of being built. There was also a road that led from the top 'main yard' down to this area and another one that led out to the main road.
While still in this bottom area and to the right of the road, out towards the main road, there was a machine that I was to learn later on, was for injured horse and for those that needed some (not a lot) exercis. This was called a 'horse-walker', I cannot be sure, but I think it was an American invention. David introduced Colin and I to the 'head lad'. His name was Joe White and was as I discovered later that month by chance, an alcoholic. Although we were told he was just a heavy drinker I don't think we realised just how heavy a drinker he actually was. Joe was about 56 years old, gray hair, with a big reddish nose and a weather beaten face, and was quite skinny I thought. He was sacked a few years down the line because of his drinking and the way he treated some of the lads from the stable, he used to shout at everyone "YOU LEARY FUCKER", when he was inebriated. However in his defense, when he was sober he was quite a nice guy. I'm not sure about Colin, but I found all this (that was happening to us) exciting and also frightening at the same time. We got introduced to everyone connected with the stable later that morning when we were to go for our breakfast, there were nine people in total not counting the 'other ones' who came in just to ride out, of which there many.
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Very nice read Rob . It really makes one be right there with you and seeing it all through your Eyes and thought's . Makes you want to read on / more .
One thing I've noticed ... in Scotland , the morning's start at 6pm ??? haha
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Ha ha arnold 'have' you not been reading...DUH the stable is in ENGLAND...lol:angel:
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Rob , yes I know from your first Chapter it's in England . But didn't you start writing this in Scotland ? Anyway , isn't it all the same time - zone in the UK ? Oh ... I get it , your writing it for the American's ( 9pm is 9am in Hawaii ) . Smart !!!:icon_cheesygrin:
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Sorry guys thought I would give you all a little taster...lol:icon_biggrin:
Excerpt from Chapter 3
"Grandad... Grandad, can we go to the beach?" These were the words that greeted me as I came in from the market. "Tell nana to get the car keys then" I replied, so we all get in the car and tried to settle them down, but they're too excited. "Is the donkey on the beach Grandad?" asked Robbie, "Yeah... donkey, donkey, shouts Josh, Susan and I look at each other and just laugh contentedly as we finally set off. We get to the beach and the boy's are laughing, and shouting and screaming, until I showed them the donkey's. "Me want one" Josh informs me while tugging at my trousers. "Nana can I get an Ice - cream please?" Robbie ask's, "AND ME NANA" I say, laughing with the boy's.
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Excerpt from Chapter 4
Because the weeks passed quickly this made me feel that I did not want to go back to the stables, however, 'deep down' I knew it was really what something I wanted to do. The day I was leaving to go back, it was only Jenny that went with me to the station. We both broke down and cried after i put my case on the train. I think we 'knew' that it was really finished, however, I did not know it then, but my exploits with her where not quite done yet, this I will explain later. The journey on the trains back to the stable were quicker. Once I had reached the stables, I felt that I was 'Home', you know the old saying 'home is where the heart is', well my heart was at the stables.
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Excerpt from Chapter 5...
I was as 'happy as Larry' that night and got so drunk celebrating, that I never made it into work the next morning.
This was due to staying at Trevors who lived a few miles away. As far as I can remember we had 'walked' (staggered more like) home - they (the girls we were with) lived near him, we stayed up late that night. It would be ungentlemanly of me to discuss what went on, suffice to say, that was the night I 'bacame' a man. (finally haha). If Jenny was to find out what Trevor got up to with this other girl, she would have 'slapped' him one, this was before I stared going out with Susan 'properly'. When I started back to the stables in the morning, all types of thoughts were going through my head. I hoped the 'string' had gone to Neardown, rather than Mandown, that way I would not bump into them on the way home to the stables. Unfortunately this was not the case. half way back I spotted them coming along the road. The Govnor, just trotted up to me and scowled "Get into the yard, I will see you later !!!...," oh hell I thought, I am for the high jump!
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I could never get passed : " It was a dark and stormy night..."
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Very good description helped me get a mind picture on the stables good writing Rob
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I think all and everyones Life Story has to be pretty interesting , as not one is the same ... seen through the Eyes of that Person .
I myself like Story's that start sad ( yes like mine ) and come to a very happy ending . Showing People , that don't care how or why you feel the way you do ... live goes on . It does not stop for anybody .
Arnold
I agree with you.
Stories are really important.
The stories you tell yourself and what you tell others are how you make sense of all the things that happen.
Families have their stories and we brothers here, we have a story.
And each of us, have our own stories. I haven't heard one here that wasn't fascinating.
In this place, people generally tell things how they see them. And that's a good thing. We accept the stories the way they're told.
Sometimes I don't like what I hear. When I hear sometimes the way a woman has been treated, I'm not so happy. But mostly we do our best.
Sometimes you just let things go.
That's one of the things you learn here. Sometimes you hear something and you let it pass in silence.
You don't need to comment on everything. You don't need to tell everyone what you think.
I've never regretted, just letting things pass.
It's like that 24 hour rule.
Pausing before acting, before speaking, is a good beginning to developing a more considered and more thoughtful life.
I've only begun to live in a better way. Still it's never too late to learn.
I have a long way to go.
Still things have turned out really well. Much better than I deserve. I've had some luck and I've had things that haven't gone so well.
Still I have a long way to go.
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Rob, please check out P223487 very very pretty, smart and no height problem....
By the way, your writing is great, your in the wrong business, you should publish...
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So how many of you guy's had to look? Hmmmm????
Rob, at least check her out!
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Is it possible she is only 3'11" (120cm)? I don't think so...in the 2nd picture, she is standing next to a door, and her hand reaches the top of the door frame.
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Is it possible she is only 3'11" (120cm)? I don't think so...in the 2nd picture, she is standing next to a door, and her hand reaches the top of the door frame.
That could be a very small door. :)
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or she could be on tiptoes...:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Yes guy's I checked her out, and sent a cupid note...
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you da man!!!!!
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NO Rob , you better check with her Father first ... he might think your TOO tall . :angel:
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lol Arnold your bad ;)
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I got a reply from her this morning....:huh: It seems like I am NOT what she is looking for, she wants someone who is 6 feet tall:huh:
ONLY joking ROFLMAO:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Seriously I got a reply and she wants me to write to her..:icon_biggrin:
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Is it possible she is only 3'11" (120cm)? I don't think so...in the 2nd picture, she is standing next to a door, and her hand reaches the top of the door frame.
Hobbits, of course they have Hobbits. After all, the country is named Middle Earth...ahem the Middle Kingdom.
In a hole in the ground there lived a......
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Sorry Rob Your t
Your probably too fat for her somewhere - I see she turns in at 5 stone 5 lbs - bet you did not make that weight when you were jockeying.
77 lbs - I've eaten bigger hot dogs than that. I think the height and weight puts her in the frame of a 9 year old in the UK.
Oh I just thought - maybe she was telling lies........... What! telling lies and misleading people on Chnlove - no way can I believe that!!!!!!!!
Willy
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Mike,
I thought that bridge that we wanted to give... oops... sell back was in Arizona? You know where all the public beach is. We'd better get Don to go check and see if it is still there. You remember the one that is falling down. Shhhhh!!!!!!
Funny we are talking about bridges and fair ladies.
You know I was just thinking women don't photo shop either.
I bet Rob's trying to get her home address right now. :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Shaun
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I do know of a Changsha love bridge that someone tried to sell me once. Turns out it was built only of paper, and it was built over a cess pit. Guess what happened when I tried to walk over it?
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Well guys, since I did not have my computer for weeks i decided to try and do what the guys had said about incorporating my adventure from where my book originaly finished.
I tried for 3 weeks to start from then, which incumbered the original split from my ex. And I could not do it, writing what happened brought back all the memories (all bad), and this took me to a 'bad' place that I dd not want to revisit. maybe writing about what happened is or could be good for some people, for me it wasn't. So what i will have to do is write from about 4 years later and then my Chinese adventure.
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ok Rob we will alll be waiting for the continuation
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Matter of fact we do have a bridge for sale, bought it off the brittish and have been unable to return it for a refund.:icon_cheesygrin:
Got it on sale, damn thing was broken down. The shipped it from somewhere in London... and on top of that, assembly was required!
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Yep, ....Only in America!! lol!!
That was the old ''London Bridge'' you bought from us, ...You actually thought you were buying ''Tower Bridge''. As i remember the buyers were more than a little pissed off when they found out it wasn't Tower Bridge they bought...lol!!
David....
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lol:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin: Thats even funny for a Scotsman:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Fancy buying a wall???...It's antique (Italian built)....lol:icon_cheesygrin:
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Damn limy salesmen...:icon_cheesygrin:
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Come on Rob, if you're writing a bestseller you have to put EVERYTHING in. Imagine if Ulrika had written her crappy autobiography but left out the rape allegations. People love the difficult stuff - look at my thread for example.
Painful stuff is also better if you can get it out of your head. Writing is liberating in that respect :icon_cheesygrin:.
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sometimes it helps to write about it
just dont read it after you write it
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Come on Rob, if you're writing a bestseller you have to put EVERYTHING in. Imagine if Ulrika had written her crappy autobiography but left out the rape allegations. People love the difficult stuff - look at my thread for example.
Painful stuff is also better if you can get it out of your head. Writing is liberating in that respect :icon_cheesygrin:.
:icon_eek::s:dodgy::icon_evil: I better not.
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Every little detail Shaun, write like Edgar Allen Poe and scare the hell out of us....:icon_cheesygrin:
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From Chapter 6
"Come on Robert, are we finished yet?" I hear Susan say to me as we get to the end of the stocktake, "Just finishing now honey" I reply. So while I put everything back into some sort of order, she starts to close the curtains. Just as they close, Peter walks into the stall, and precedes to say 'Hi'. Peter was Davies brother in law, and a close personal family friend. I speak to him for a few minutes while my back is turned, as I turn around I notice Susan pulling her hand away from him. At this time I never really took much notice because I thought she had maybe just brushed past him. However, as I was to realise later on, this was not really an accident. I finish counting the days takings, and locked up. As we started to walk away, I happened to notice that Susans eyes where directed at Peter, this was something I had never noticed before, that she would look at another guy in that seductive way of hers. I put it out of my mind and announced to her "race you to the car", so we both get to the car and drive home.
Halfway along the road I start to think back to my racing days, and it was a time when we were in a disco this saturday night. Susan was dancing with another mate of mine called Joe, the memory came about him telling me that she had 'touched him up', but with me being me, I did not believe this. Once we reached the house, I discovered that I had left the float for the following day, so I ask her to take me back to get it. the reason I wanted this was because there had been some burglaries from the stalls in previous years, and I could not afford that to happen to me. After I get the float and return to the car, I ask her to turn the car off as I wanted to ask her something.
She does this and asks "Whats up?", So I say I saw the looks between you and Peter, and the hand touching, is something going on?" "NO, THERE IS NOT" she answers, so I accept this, and mutter "Ok, forget it". Although I had accepted this there was something in her voice that told me she was not telling me the truth, it wa just a feeling I had. So we drive home and for the rest of the night, nothing is mentioned between us, the atmosphere is so thick between us, that it could be cut with a knive. The next morning when I awoke, awake thats a laugh, I had not slept a wink all night, that evenings thoughts were going round in my mind. But when I did get up, I just went straight to work without speaking to Susan.
From Chapter 7
That is a good point I make here. If you are interested in something you will give 100 percent, but if you don't like it, then you will get less effort put into it. Religion is also a non event for me. Yes I wil go to church when the need arises, you know, weddings and funerals etc. Other than that, nothing, it's not that I don't believe in spirituality, but everyone to their own. There 'IS' something up there, but what it is, I don't know for sure. I believe that Religion was invented to keep the masses in check, and that it was made up for them to believe in something. I will not argue about it, but it's what I believe. I must admit though, all through my school years and early life, I suppose I did believe in God. However, that was taken away from me in 1993, when my neice 'Andrea', died aged only 7 days old as a result of a 'Cot Death'.. This is something I couldn't and still can't quite understand about God, if there is one? How could he let a baby die or lett all the suffering in the world go on, when there are so many 'evil' people on this earth of ours. A question often runs through my mind and that is, 'Why' did he make people small or tall, AND let them have diseases and illness's, don't they suffer enough without the extra burden?
There has to be something in my mind that is worse than being small. Yes I can think of a number of things, the big 'C' for one, Yes Cancer is one of them. We had just found out that Susan's dad Charlie after his triple heart bypass, had also contracted cancer. He must have had it for a while because he had to go back into hospital to get it removed.
However, the operation to remove it was unsuccessful, all of it could not be touched and was still eating away at him. We found out that he only had a few weeks left on this earth, at the point of writing this book, which of course we are so sorry about.. Just lately I have looked at my father in law and think that, 'that' could have been me? Yes I am small, but at least I have every organ working. I am NOT suffering as much as him or others with this disease, what the hell have I got to be miserable about?
As I sit here and start to think bout Charlie and Lambourn, my thoughts turn to the time I got my first proper ride on the course.
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Excellent, can't wait for #8 Rob. By the way, my father always told me that if you give people enough rope, they will hang themselves
with it.
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Every little detail Shaun, write like Edgar Allen Poe and scare the hell out of us....:icon_cheesygrin:
Don,
Somehow I missed your post. Not a word about it will come from these fingers. Not in the near future anyway.
Shaun
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Ok guys it has been nearly a year since last posting on my book thread...
I have started to carry on writing but will take a week or 2 to get back up to speed, considering everything that has happened since 2009 and my first trip to qingdao, .
so hope you enjoy the rest once i post it :D
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Don't feel bad it's been about a year since I wrote in my book as well.
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Ok guys it has been nearly a year since last posting on my book thread...
I have started to carry on writing but will take a week or 2 to get back up to speed, considering everything that has happened since 2009 and my first trip to qingdao, .
so hope you enjoy the rest once i post it :D
When I decide to do something i put 110%effort into it, so I have set myself a deadline to completet it. one year from today
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When I decide to do something i put 110%effort into it, so I have set myself a deadline to completet it. one year from today
I think I heard that one year ago! LOL ;D
All those Chapters I saw in the past and no sex. What sort of story is that. ;D
How come you have so much time on your hands with such a hectic lifestyle?
Willy
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Hi guys I have a question for you.
/You all know I'm in process of completing my book.
As Chnlove and Chinese ladies are central to this book, I am putting a section into it concerning chlove.com and this site. So there may be occasions I will mention some of you fine people. (Nothing bad I promise)
If you have any objections about being included will you please tell me and I will omit you from it.
Rob
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No problem here... I've been a GOOD boy
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I got nuthin to hide,
When do we get the chance to read all about it?
Cheers
Leeroy
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have seven chapters completed on computer, another four in paper form to be typed in. hope to have about at least 6 more to do. Hoping it wont be too long mate ;D But you know how temeramental us writers can be hehe ;D
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Rob. If I told you I'd have to.... :o :o Oh! That will get me banned on this site for saying that.
No problems here Rob, My name is Vince G
No wait. My name is David Evans, I might as well have a beautiful Chinese wife living with me and a few helicopters to play with if I am going incognito. Oooo... Guess the ole wife won't let him do that again. ;D ;D ;D Sorry David.
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haha mike. yes i agree
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Not sure about the name 'Its a Height Thing" I think it will attract more sales if you just call it 'Size Matters!". And fill the cover with pictures of beauties.
Willy
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we know Willy needs to PEN 'IS own book ;)
Mike
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Hi Rob
I have no objection to my name being used in your book.
But natural modesty leads me to request that you dont take 4 or 5 chapters discussing my sexual prowess...it would be embarrasing ;D ;D ;D
BTW Shaun...
I have recently got permission from my beautiful LP to begin flying helicopters again....but only little ones that cant cause damage !!!!!
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I have recently got permission from my beautiful LP to begin flying helicopters again....but only little ones that cant cause damage !!!!!
Is that little one equipped with a Camera , to spy on Neighbors looking at your beautiful LaoPo over the Wall ?
Rob , it's okay with me and Qing in your Book .. but do not confuse me with Scharzenegger please .
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David
I only have your word about your sexual prowess!!! :(
I may need to call you and talk to ming to concur with or refute your claims haha ;D ;D ;D
sorry mate
arnold, sorry buddy, this is not preferential treatment, but You are already included. I knew you would not mind... ;D ;D
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Arnold...
If I caught my neighbors peeking over the wall at my LP skinny dipping in the pool I would not send a tiny helicopter to sort them out...more likely a .22 calibre ;D ;D ;D
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Bloody hell arnold , Davids neighbours are probably about 3 or 4 miles away. you know the size of Aus... ;D ;D ;D
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Hahahahahaha..... One step at a time David. You only need a .22 to quell nosy neighbors? Where I grew up a .22 was a little worse than a misquito bite. Unless it is a .22 long. Personally I like a 9mm because it leaves no doubt.
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Bloody hell arnold , Davids neighbours are probably about 3 or 4 miles away. you know the size of Aus... ;D ;D ;D
Rob , from what I saw from the Photo of Davids house .. he does have Neighbors right next to him .
David , if you do catch them Peeking .. get a box of them Chinese Fireworks and send them a "Message" .
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But then most civilised countries, like former British Colonies, do not permit the citizens to have such lethal weapons. .22 can only be owned for pest control in most of these countries.
Even handguns at shooting clubs are banned in the UK now.
Willy
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Willy, we are a former British Colony too but then the Americans booted their misfits out. As to our excuse today? Well.... I'm not suppose to get political on this site.
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Rob , from what I saw from the Photo of Davids house .. he does have Neighbors right next to him
I think that may have been his manservents quarters mate...hahaha ;D ;D
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Even handguns at shooting clubs are banned in the UK now.
DAMN!!! back to throwing darts now?
A 22/22 long is alright, good for letting them know.. leave now. 9mm (and higher) does allot of damage, allot worse then in the movies. I had both (22L & 9) next one will be a 380. Small enough to put in your pocket and strong enough that they know they'r hit. :D
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Even handguns at shooting clubs are banned in the UK now.
DAMN!!! back to throwing darts now?
A 22/22 long is alright, good for letting them know.. leave now. 9mm (and higher) does allot of damage, allot worse then in the movies. I had both (22L & 9) next one will be a 380. Small enough to put in your pocket and strong enough that they know they'r hit. :D
If you actually need these items to be able to live there. Then why continue to stay there at all? Is America that good that you take these risks day to day.
There were just too many muskets about when the BRITs owned it that why we just up and left. 8)
Willy
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Willy "why?" I suppose first off I always had guns since I was a kid. There are some funny stories behind that. Later on because I'm a good shot. Maybe there's a reason? but I enjoy it. These days? I guess just for protection. Even moving to anywhere you think is safe and crime free? ya never know if you will need it.
But even way back when, they started all these gun laws and regulations? Because I have them legally, an FBI file and yet I was on a small island with President Reagan. Truth is gun laws and regulations don't apply to those that get them illegally. This is where the problem is.
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Among those exempt are residents "who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine." Others exempt include the physically and mentally disabled, paupers and those convicted of a felony.
Exempt means that people have the right to not follow this law. But does it mean that if the do not apply to be exempt then a Mentally disabled or felon can still buy and own guns? I guess Reagan would be covered by that as well.
Charlton Heston has a lot to answer for!
Willy
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Hahahahahaha..... One step at a time David. You only need a .22 to quell nosy neighbors? Where I grew up a .22 was a little worse than a misquito bite. Unless it is a .22 long. Personally I like a 9mm because it leaves no doubt.
Yep...
22 LR is only for neighbors and rabbits for the pot...... ;D ;D ;D
For Goats, wild pigs and Scotsmen I would always use the .243.
For Londoners...gotta be .45...nothing else would do it ;D ;D ;D
Mind you, I could hit a 10 cent piece at 300 yds with the .17 MHR...what a stunning round that is !!!
Gave Ming a shooting lesson last week in the indoor range at home...used .22 LR Zimmerman. First time she had ever held a gun....terrified yet fascinated !!
Willy...I dont want to open a bag of worms here...but guns dont kill people....people kill people, with all sorts of things, including guns.
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For Goats, wild pigs and Scotsmen I would always use the .243.
Willy...I dont want to open a bag of worms here...but guns dont kill people....people kill people, with all sorts of things, including guns.
please put me out of my misery, what is a .243? :( :(
And yes David your quite right, people kill people usually in the name of RELIGION :-X
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Gave Ming a shooting lesson last week in the indoor range at home...used .22 LR Zimmerman. First time she had ever held a gun....terrified yet fascinated !!
Willy...I dont want to open a bag of worms here...but guns dont kill people....people kill people, with all sorts of things, including guns.
Well its been quiet here so thought I would get some action on here. I have had just 4 emails through to me for the past 10 hours or more. (and I sent two myself!) Not even the usually batch of spam that offers me viagra (whatever that is - I and won't RISE to ask) and the latest batch of Heineken prize winning draw results. Oh and the usual 20 - 30 from variously named doctors. Usually get 80 - 100 spam when I wake up but nearly 4 pm and just 3 today.
(Must be something to do with wukan - check it out on google.)
Willy
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Rob
A .243 is a calibre of a bullet that is 0.243 inches in diameter. It is therefore bigger (more punch) than a .22 which is the most common "garden gun". Additionally the Cartridge (the brass bit that holds the gunpowder) is longer and has much more capacity that its relative the .22 LR.
Therefore the .243 bullet comes out of the end with a mighty Bang and a phenomenal velocity (up to 3000 feet per second) This means that it has a massive impact in Ft/Lbs of energy when it hits something out to about 1 mile if you need it !!!...just right for Scotsmen who live in the heather and mountains and you cant get close to them ;D ;D ;D
The .45 on the other hand has even more stopping power and can knock over an elephant or a Londoner..............but you need to get a bit closer because the huge recoil can put you off your aim....
For indoor practice, we use the .22 LR "Zimmer" which has no powder to push the bullet out...only the primer which makes a pop no louder than an air rifle but drives the bullet out at about 500 ft/sec. Which is good enough for accuracy over a 10 meter indoor target range.
Happy now ?? ;D ;D.....firearms 101 !!!
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Thanks Dave, now I know what size to buy when Xia gives birth to keep all the boys away........ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks Dave, now I know what size to buy when Xia gives birth to keep all the boys away........ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You"ll need a shot gun to keep them away bloke.
Cheers
Leeroy
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See Robbie, when it comes to guns "size matters" ;D
Well Dave, I asked around if anyone witnessed that coin shoot and they sent a picture for proof?
So I guess it's True
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Wow .. even this big , looks like he ( David ) just nicked the Cion at 2:00 o'clock a little .
I have a Ruger 357 Magnum ( three inch barrel ) for our Protection , I bet I counldn't hit that Coin with from 50 meters . Not very accurate , but does damage close up .. for anyone coming in through my Window .. instead of the Door .
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That's a powerful gun and the 3 inch barrel is the reason for the not very accurate. Short range accuracy. I'm not looking to kill anyone, I just want to stop them so I can kick them a bit. :o
Sorry for the hijack, but it's one of my hobbies. Photography, woodwork, guns and archery.
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I am certain that I could not hit that coin from 10 meters Vince...not with a hand gun anyway.
Our laws here totally forbid private ownership of hand guns, and we go through horrendous Police processes to own rifles of any calibre.
Having said that, with my Anshutz 1417 competition rifle plus the 2X 25 X 55 scope I could take out that coin dead centre at 1 mile ;D ;D
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Here in the US every state has their own law on guns. Rifles are a free for all. I think? you just need to show a drivers lic. or some id. Hand guns are different. In New York at that time (20 years ago) you were checked by the county, state and FBI. It was a 6 month process. You HAD to belong to the NRA? you HAD to belong to a gun club that had a shooting range? a NY state hunting lic. You had to have 3 references from people that knew you more then a year? or maybe two? don't really remember BUT they could not be a relative, a police officer (all my neighbors were), or someone you do business with. I cheated somewhat, my two landlords and my accountants wife (but friends too) signed the sheets. But I got it.
They changed the laws soon after about the gun club and the NRA and I was glad to get rid of both. Now I could take my gun anywhere in the state of NY.... except New York City. One problem (I spouted off to them with) The only way to get from Long ISLAND where I lived to upstate NY was through NYC?
Sold the guns when I moved down here to the south where just a drivers lic is needed to buy a hand gun or rifle. But you do have to take a 6 hour course for a carry permit. Different state different laws.
So how's the height thing going Robbie?
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Going great mate, 10 chapters completed and on computer. 3 chapters under desk in paper form. i think maybe another 2 chapters should complete it ;D
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Thanks Dave, now I know what size to buy when Xia gives birth to keep all the boys away........ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Haha...you're not wrong Jase...
I always seemed to have a rifle on the table cleaning it when my girls brought home some sort of pond-life or other that was their latest boyfriend.....they looked very wary after that...and polite too....worked for me ;D ;D ;D
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Dads Rules For Dating
Rule One:
If you pull into my driveway and honk you'd better be delivering a package, because you're sure not picking anything up.
Robertt, this is also my number one rule with my 16 year old daughter.
Just on the subject of guns, my favourite was the 22/250, but it's just too hard to own a gun these days so I've gone for the next best thing, I own and still use a 10 ft stock whip witch i had an occasion to use on an undesirable visitor one day, I got him across the but while he was making a hasty exit, word soon got around about this cranky old bugga with a stock whip,that was 5/6 years ago.
Anyway, to this day the local boys know me as the father with the whip, and when ever my daughter goes out the boys all look after her.
It works for me
Cheers
Leeroy
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I also had the Marlin 22 semi scoped, 12g single and the S&W 669 9mm. The 9 was a nice gun but after just doing one clip the safety would get loose? I tried everything, locktight, etc. nothing worked the safety would just hang.
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How did we ever get to the GUN scene on Rob's Book thread ?
Oh ??? , I think ::) .. I started it with the Camera on David's Helicopter . I feel we should give back the thread here it belongs . We can always start a new topic " Gun Shop " have Gun will Travel or better not .
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Arnold your the one that can pull the trigger and split the thread. ;D
My apologies to Rob.
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We just went off topic waiting for more replies. SO it's the people that haven't replied fault.
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hahahahahaha
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Here ya go Robbie, trotters (1983) at a track back in NY near where I grew up. btw this track was within sight of where Charles Lindbergh took off from to Paris.
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way to dangerous :-\ :-\
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The track is gone now..... now there are condo's, of course
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Ok got 16 chapters written. Now for the hard part, my break up with my ex wife and subsequent divorce, 'painful memories!' Anyone any ideas about how to write about something bad?
I recone the last 8 years should take up another five (at least) chapters to complete this
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Your last visit is almost a book in itself. ;D
Writing about bad things is easy? Writing about sad things maybe not so. But was what bad or sad then may not conjure up the same feelings now. I may work with you but your not the reader. Give us the pathos and we'll give you the tears. :'(
Willy
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I must thank you Rob . Because of your Book Thread and the great way you write it .. has me now inspired to continue my Book . I just completed chapter two , which was about the three weeks at the Hospital after Chemo treatment . Sad .. yes , but it was easy to write and it's strange .. how things come back to ( the good and the bad )you ones started .
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arnold the only problem is trying to put into chronalogical order, remembering the facts. But have a thought on how many chapters you want to have? I am aiming at about twenty five or around 120.000 words.
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arnold the only problem is trying to put into chronalogical order, remembering the facts. But have a thought on how many chapters you want to have? I am aiming at about twenty five or around 120.000 words.
I'm planning on 13-15 Chapter's ( with the first one 39 pages ) , so I hope to write at least 2000 words ! ;D
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so far I have written 97 thousand words ;D
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16th December we was going to be completed at 15 chapters. 2 week later we have gone up to 21 chapters or more! Or is this just to be the first volumn?
Size matters Robbie! ;D
Remember I have 'low attention disorder' to contend with.
But if you print it Chinese fashion and start at the end and go forward that will be fine then I will not have to go past 'The End' and can finish it in 1 seconds.
Willy
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Question (for the book writers), How do you contend with peoples names? The org draft had real names but since I have thought of changing the names? So those able to read it, that are in it, don't get offended or outraged.
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Why change names? If a story is true then why hide facts. If a person is embarrassed into giving details then why write an auto-biography.
However if you are writing a work of fiction based on real events then there is no problem.
My good friend has willed me all his diaries dating back 60 years and within the pages are the low down on the real criminals of London, famous UK villians and even more famous celebrities that lived on the edge, murders, wrongful convictions, bent top coppers and all.
He has written in his diary without fail every day in those 60 or more years and although he has related some great tales to me, that could be a book in itself, it is within the diaries that the real stories lie.
When the time comes all will be revealed including real names but as he is only 76 at the moment it could be a few years yet before I seek a publisher. Unless of course I go first. ::)
Willy
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In America one can sue for slander if their name and stories are used in any public form of communication. The burden of proof is on the one filing charges and they have to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that it is slander. It almost always turns out to be a he said - she said thing unless it a matter of a court record or something recorded on public airwaves.
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Same in UK except Slander is the spoken word and Libel is the written word. But if you are writing factual and have your proof what is the problem in naming names?
The 'he says she says' would normally come under heresay evidence and is not permitted in English courts.
Make it a fiction book and then change the names - no problem. However a lot of the people in my records are now dead and the laws of UK is that you cannot slander or libel a dead man! But people still know the names.
But I am sure that the Scottish Bard is not going to libel anyone in his manuscript. ::) Especially me or otherwise I will sue the pants of him or the trews or even the kilt. 8)
Willy
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It's written as all true and not that bad that it's something to sue about? Some names I will keep in like Richard Nixon and Norman Levy NY congressman and neighbor who I thought was a butthole and still think so even though he's six feet under. It's the naming of old flames. One that is planned to be in it, my first ex gave me a surprise yesterday by contacting me. We talked on the phone for 2 hrs. Haven't spoken to her in something like 35 years. Typical American girl 5x the size she was when. But again it's more of some of the others, who like to be tied up, was frigid, a wild child, and the don't tell my boyfriend.
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Yes. yes. yes... Willy. Liable. I couldn't remember that word at 5:00am. First day back to work after 2 weeks off.
My ex wanted to write a story for the local news paper that was about an actual event and she had fabricated a lot of the story to make it sensational and to make me look bad. I almost had to sue the her for liable. She finally consulted an attorney and decided not to publish the article.
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I am quite sure there is nothing liablise entered, but will go through the book with a fine tooth comb to make sure, once its completed. I do know for a fact that anyone mentioned from this site, there is nothing said that is untoward.
Willy DO I know things about you that I could tell about?? ;D ;D ;D
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:o ??? :-\ please tell ....please tell !!!
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here is a part of the book that mentions some of you guys, it can be found in the chapter 'Chnlove', I would like to say a few words about the membership of
Chnlove.info at present as I have mentioned we have over four hundred and sixty members. Of that there is a ‘core’ of around thirty people that contribute more
than the rest. Without this core, there would only be speculation and hearsay about China and it’s ‘true’ culture and people. On the forum I talk about, I like to think
I have contributed towards helping others in their quest. Each person, Elder statesmen or newbie are treated no different. Of course there are rules to follow when
you sign up to it. But like everything else there are rules to follow, so in that respect this site is no different.
There are Moderators to make sure these rules are followed. The Forum staff are as follows:Maxx, Global Moderator; Irishman/Ronan, Tech Guy; Martin,
Administrators; Chong, Rhonald, and Arnold, These three are Moderators. There have been others but they gave the job up or ended up leaving the site for
reasons best known to themselves.This forum has become like a family of sorts, so much so that someone called it a ‘brotherhood’ and this name has stuck. Like a
family each member has a role to play, and each member different than the rest. You have those who are strong minded and those that are more sympathetic.
Maxx for example is looked upon as being the father. He concocted a simple rule to follow and every, Member knows this rule it is ‘Maxx 24 hour rule: Live it; love it;
learn it.
This is the rule The 24 hour rule says,
No matter what crazy thing your women says to you in a letter, webcam, chat or on the phone you are not to comment on it for 24 hours.
24 hours gives you a chance to slow down to think about what the lady said. It also gives you a chance to post the question or situation here where the other members can discuss it amongst themselves. After 24 hours you will have a much better idea how to reply to the lady.
24 hour rule works good as long as the members remember to use it. 9 out of 10 times it is just a missed communication between the lady and the man Or a difference in custom and culture.
There have been many occasions that this rule has saved a relationship. And will do again
that’s for sure.
Martin I think is seen as the one who deals out the warnings etc. He is seen as the devil in Carnate, but I think (even although I’ve had run INS with him) he is
probably a nice guy. Irishman is the one who deals with the technical stuff for the website. He is a very nice guy. Rhonald is the poet of the group. Arnold I think is
seen as The calm one in the group. I have the honour of including him - like Rhonald, as one of my real friends, even though we have not met. Chong seems also a
nice guy, have not had many dealings or talk with him so I cannot say much about him. Of these people four of them are married to Chinese women, one has
suffered a divorce (I think) I do know that they have definitely split up from one another. Others in the group include mpo4747 Mike as he and Shaun are the
religious conscience of the group. RobertfromAustralia, Philip, and Paul Todd are the Teachers, education specialist’ Vince is the one person who really thinks things
through. Willy the Londoner is more like the ambassador in China now that the role was made vacant by ted that has since left the group. David E is seen as the
voice of reason.
Of these, fourteen people that I have mentioned I would like to think that they or most of them are close friends of mine. I am sorry if I have not mentioned you
please do not take offence. Most of these guys are married to Chinese ladies. Some are living in China; others are waiting on their wives getting visas into their
respective countries. I could go on and name everyone on the site but I have made too many friends to do this, suffice to say each one I do talk with through other
mediums i.e. QQ, Skype, Yahoo, telephone. There has been people that were on the website and have been banned for one reason or another, I still chat with them.
David5O, China Shark Mike, Biggie to name just a few. Mostly these were banned for being too aggressive towards other members who disagreed with them. As you
can possibly gather, the site is a goldmine of information, all this valuable information Because these people are willing to share their stories good or bad. When I
start to read posts from all the guys it, is not just them that come to mind, it is also their wives too. These are the best bunch of individuals I have ever had the good
fortune to know. And I got to know a lot of people in my life!
There are many more people like for example ‘Hajo’ ‘Nick’, ‘Ed’, ‘Wilsbrough’, ‘Ron’, ‘Vic’ then there are the relative newbies who have contributed also. There
seems to be a trend however, we seem to be getting more and more Chinese females joining. This of course is a good thing. Because it means we have a better
insight, because we get info from first-hand knowledge of The Chinese perspective. However, it also can be viewed as a bad thing to happen. Everyone who is
involved with dating a Chinese lady, or has visited the country has something of value to input. That is why it is important that the regulars, the newbies and
everyone posts. One member came onto post a few weeks ago, he said that he had been in the background for many weeks reading up on everything. He found the
information to be of real value and felt ‘maybe’ he could contribute.
Another person mentioned that he felt unsure about posting, because he thought people would shout him down, until he saw someone else ask a question that he had
wanted answered. It was answered by a few people and he realised we are a good support group, unlike any other website he has been a member of. I have
mentioned three guys in passing, But I would like to discuss them in a little more detail. Let’s start with Willy the Londoner. I first encountered Willy as early as 2008
when I joined the official site. I read a few of his posts on there. Now I don’t know if it was because I have an aversion to London as you know, I really do not like
it. Any way I sort of had a little argument about something and nothing with him while on the site. When he joined the site we are on now, I started to read
everything he was saying and soon realised he was a very intelligent guy. As I got to know more about him, it quickly became apparent that I had been wrong
about Londoners. Anyway, when my relationship with Kathy started to break up, he called my home one night to offer his support and our friendship has grown
stronger since then. He is one hell of a nice man, a truer friend you could not wish for. To me, he has been better and closer to me than my own brothers and for
that I am thankful. This is strange because we have never met in person. We have talked on the phone and Web-cammed, but we have never met. I hope to be
meeting up with him during the early months of 2012, my next intended visit to China.
The second person is ‘Wilsbrough’. We are not really close friends, but we have chatted on the phone a few times. When I had the misfortune of my last trip, Again
I have never met this feller face to face. I hope one day to do so I want to shake his hand to show my gratitude.
The last person I wish to talk about is David E. I am not sure if the other members know his second name, so I will not mention it. David is a Welshman, who
migrated to the good old land of Australia. I am not quite sure what nationality he claims to be especially when the Aussies play the Poms at cricket. It’s a win , win
situation for him I suppose ha ha. Anyway After my debacle with Kathy, David offered to pay for a trip to China – when the time was right, for me. At first I refused
his offer, and then refused a second time. However as time was passing me by, I finally accepted a third offer from him. I could not believe that this stranger was
paying so much money for someone he had never met. On talking with him through private messages I discovered his reasons for doing so. This I will not go into.
David, myself, Willy, Rockycoon, Ron and David50 used to come online and sit chatting and having a good laugh in the main forum page, where there is a shout box
that people can talk in. Anyway back to the story. My failed trip to Zhucheng where I ripped my plane ticket up and needed financial help to get back to the UK,
David stepped in and bought my ticket home. This man is truly a friend and a half, he will never be forgotten by me or mine. I know you don’t want it mate, but
thank you very much. Without you and Willy you are both a life savers. I would not be here today if it were not for real friends like you two. Thank you
both from the bottom of my heart. One day I will get to Australia to visit you and Ming. I really want to shake your hand.
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i WRITE ABOUT CHNLOVE.COM FIRST. AS YOU CAN SEE GUYS I DONT THINK THERE IS ANYTHING i CAN BE SUED FOR...
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" Friends " are the Flowers in the Garden of Life . Without them , there is "No" Garden !
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Get the eyes tested mate. We passed 666 a few days ago. I was wondering who the devil was member 666 at the time. :o
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Robbie...
Pleae tell everybody that when I made these offers I was drunk as a skunk ;D ;D ;D
If you dont do something to restore my image as a Godless, Thoughtless, non-caring Aussie Okker...I will have to sue you for libel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Guy, he was as drunk as a wallaby :D :D :D He cares not a jot about anyone, as he mentions himself, he is a godless, thoughtless creature, and will most probably end up sitting next to saten . :D :D
There you go mate done
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Robbie...
Pleae tell everybody that when I made these offers I was drunk as a skunk ;D ;D ;D
If you dont do something to restore my image as a Godless, Thoughtless, non-caring Aussie Okker...I will have to sue you for libel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You join the queue David. He called me Intelligent and Nice. Now how do I get over that?
Willy
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You join the queue David. He called me Intelligent and Nice. Now how do I get over that?
Willy
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Now William you know deep down your a big softie teddy bear ;D ;D ;D
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Robbie...
Pleae tell everybody that when I made these offers I was drunk as a skunk ;D ;D ;D
If you dont do something to restore my image as a Godless, Thoughtless, non-caring Aussie Okker...I will have to sue you for libel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haha David when i started writing the part about this site, i got you mixed up with David50 i said you were aENGLISH..now i know you would have sued me for that hahaha
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hmmm...I think I smell a law suit coming up. Devil Incarnate? HAHAHAHAHA I don't think I have ever been called that before. Too funny.
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Hey if we are talking lawsuites here.I want to be a lawyer.I don't care whitch side I represent.I just want to be part of the action.Martin I think he called you that.Because of the Uncle Fester smile.
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I can see Martin under cross examination. The lawyer asks, "So Martin... Why did you start this website?" Martins reply, "The devil made me do it." I don't care who you are that is funny.
Rob, I have been reading a little more of your book as time permits. Interesting.