China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Ask An Experienced Member => Topic started by: Willy The Londoner on September 07, 2009, 04:22:06 am
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Would it be possible to compile a list of ladies CNLove numbers of those that our membership has natural photo's of.
I have two at present and the heavy photo shopped versions on Chnlove do not bear much resemblance to the real persons.
I know that we would be in possible breach of copyright to put the Chnlove ones on this site but maybe the name and number of the woman together with the details of the brother who has the naturl photos and they could be passed to other interested members as and when requested.
Then maybe a little money would be saved and a big shock prevented when you finally meet.
I have those for P368159 and P368295 and the difference is amazing.
Willy
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I have both agency and natural photos of my lady. I'll maybe show them on here when we leave chnlove.
She hasn't got any studio shots though, her profile pics were all taken on company outings and vacations. The agency pics haven't been modified much, if at all.
I am joyous to report that my lady has had minimal photoshopping done :angel:. Having said that, she's only 30, although she looks more like 20 :icon_cheesygrin:.
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sorry...this is not to put anybody down..has any of you ever seen a model? If the answer is yes, have you ever seen a model without make-up??? TBH(To Be Honest) I feel many of you have gone overboard with this photoshop deal... These agencies will spruce up the lady with neccessary make-up and sometimes use certain lighting to bring out a nice appeal...JUST LIKE MODELS!!!! Does not mean they are all using hacked versions(Im kidding) of photoshop to bring out this appeal!!! There will be slight differences in their looks face to face...some maybe more than other...but I have yet to see a picture that is untrue! Eye make-up is a big thing that really changes these ladies appearances. Most of them do not wear make-up or use lipstick and stuff for their eyebrows! I would imagine most of you have seen, in real life, a Chinese woman!:dodgy:
If you look at my avatar you will see, in my picture, they used certain lighting to bring out my sexy appeal!
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abigbutt,
''All'' profile photo's go through a photoshop, and i do mean ALL!! ....''FACT'' ...Some obviously need more work than others, but they DO all go through that photoshop!!
If you don't believe ask Willy to send the photo's he has .... believe me you would walk right past her at the airport, or you would be wondering who the hells grabbing my arm here?? hahaha!!
David.....
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I'm also convinced that any photo sent via EMF always go through photoshop, as they're lacking in EXIF information, unlike most of the photos my lady sends me directly. I'm not sure how much editing they do, but soft focus and good use of flash can be incredibly flattering.
I would also recommend you see your lady on webcam before you make that expensive trip to China! Also you should hear her speak as well, you're going to get an awful lot of nagging by that voice in the next few years :dodgy:.
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abigbutt,
''All'' profile photo's go through a photoshop, and i do mean ALL!! ....''FACT'' ...Some obviously need more work than others, but they DO all go through that photoshop!!
If you don't believe ask will to send the photo's he has .... believe me you would walk right past her at the airport, or you would be wondering who the hells grabbing my arm here?? hahaha!!
David.....
Well with the women I know, this isnt the case...so NO to ALL photos going thru photoshop! I did not have a problem, at the airport, like you did...LOL Actually, I am sorry you did, this is most unfortunate!:icon_cool:
I'm curious David, since you claim to know this...have you ever been to one of their photo takes???
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abigbutt,
You have misunderstood i think..... I was talking about the woman in Willy's pictures, ie, you would ''Not'' of recognised her at the airport and would have walked right passed her,... and wondered who the hell, ...was this woman pulling on your arm and smiling at you!! I didn't have any such problem myself, i met my lady while living and working in China, ....so no photoshopped photo's anywhere to be seen. haha!!
It's not really done at the agency's, ...only some of the photo shoots are done at the agency or if green areas are local , some are done in that green area. Most are done at an actual photo studio that the agency has an account with, normally in the same building for convenience. I wont go into the whole story right now, but my lady has in-depth knowledge with 2 of these agencies ..... Neither of which (thankfully) have i ever seen any bad reports about on this Forum, but from what i know of there dealings, how long that will be for, .....i don't know haha!! But i stand by my posting that ALL profile photo's are photoshopped.....
David.....
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abigbutt,
You have misunderstood i think..... I was talking about the woman in Willy's pictures, ie, you would ''Not'' of recognised her at the airport and would have walked right passed her,... and wondered who the hell, ...was this woman pulling on your arm and smiling at you!! I didn't have any such problem myself, i met my lady while living and working in China, ....so no photoshopped photo's anywhere to be seen. haha!!
David.....
If ABIGBUTT wants to see what we are talking about maybe he should send me his email address and i will send him privately the photos we are talking about. Anyone else want to see them then send me your emails as I will only send them privately. David has seen them already as a well as a couple of others. These INCLUDE a photo taken 7 weeks ago and a copy of the current chnlove profile photo. I would be safe in offering free viagra to anyone who can definately identify
Willy
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Abigbut,
Another thing to remember here, ...is that in China it is quite normal to have your normal photo's, photoshopped as a matter of course. Strange i know, but that's the way the Chinese like to have there photo's. It has been the same throughout my time in China. I even read somewhere here, that when seeing a photo of there lady as a baby, it was obvious that the photo had been through a photoshop, because of the fake Rosy red cheeks. ...Just accept it abigbut, ...it's just everyday normal practice in China!!!
It does make things a little difficult for us westerners, trying to guess what they really look like, that's why it's always a smart move to request straight snapshots of ladies, ...your always going to see some difference between the two. How much, just depends on the level the photoshop guy thinks the photo needs!!!
David....
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Yea Willy, maybe I should see what your saying...I was pointing out that I seen no difference! Maybe you guys have! I asked the question about models and none of you have answered...I have known models and have seen the major difference from pic to what I see with no make-up! I have seen these hole-in-the-wall studio's in Wuhan. Also, this is why I pointed out about hacked versions of photoshop! Yes, I am sure it is being used...BUT NOT ALWAYS! Again, I will point out the difference from night and day....tons of make-up verses no make-up! I have seen the MAJOR difference! I am happy to know that you did not have the negative experience, David! LOL ...If I did, I would've been bummed!!! Then again, those of us that have lived with women(married or gf's) know what I am saying! They don't quite look the same from night to morning! My small China experience(compared to yours, David) they don't need the make-up...they looked good always!:icon_biggrin:
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abigbutt,
Hmmmm. Seem's your not convinced, what can i say?? you'll just have to find out for yourself i guess!! The rest of us are convinced!!!!
There's a bloody big difference between heavy make-up and photoshopping, the latter always looks natrual, while the make-up looks exactly what it is, ...Make-Up, and there is the big difference between the two!!
No the Chinese ladies don't need make-up, i quite agree , but then most western women don't really need it either. It's the make-up companies that say they do, and convince them very successfully too!!!
David....
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I am pretty fed up with the Photoshopped pictures, to be honest. If I could do it all over again (and maybe I will) I would only look for girls with real pictures in their profiles (as real as they get around here). The problem is, of course, that there are so few of them! I had contact with a real cutie last year, she had only real pictures in her profile. I gave her up and decided to talk with another girl - a mistake, as it turned out.
I can understand that they want to look beautiful and attract men and I can confess that I was fooled at the beginning. The first lady I was in contact with was gorgeous in her Photoshop pictures and when she sent me the real ones taken in her home town I was extremely disappointed. It wasn't even close! What do they expect when finally get to see the real pictures, when we have our first webcam chat or when we meet IRL? I mean, there is hardly any way of hiding their looks by then...
Gosh I'm tired of dishonesty and fake appearences in the world...:icon_confused:
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abigbutt,
Hmmmm. Seem's your not convinced, what can i say?? you'll just have to find out for yourself i guess!! The rest of us are convinced!!!!
There's a bloody big difference between heavy make-up and photoshopping, the latter always looks natrual, while the make-up looks exactly what it is, ...Make-Up, and there is the big difference between the two!!
No the Chinese ladies don't need make-up, i quite agree , but then most western women don't really need it either. It's the make-up companies that say they do, and convince them very successfully too!!!
David....
hmmm David, seems you will not answer my question, either! I have seen both! Please don't make me out as somebody living in a closet all my life and walked out yesterday to see the light. You apparently did not read everything I wrote either! Then based your answer on an assumption! I have read your posts here and like what I read....AGAIN, I will point out, that I have known models that look much different with and without make-up!!!!!!!!! I even know a woman that was in playboy and seen the difference...this was before photoshop was ever out! I will disagree with you on "EVERY" photo being photoshopped! I will agree, that there are photoshopped pics...again, I was pointing out the obvious...MAKE-UP! :icon_cheesygrin: Many Women here(in the U.S.) do need the make-up...LOL...a sad fact! I guess, after a six-pack of beer they will look good no-matter-what!
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Hans,
There all photoshopped, .... it doesn't mean that they always deal with the face, it could be to make her look smaller or taller, thinner or fatter, but the profile photo's are always photoshopped, it's just a matter of course for the agencies. Some shopping of the photo's can actually make the lady look worse, as far as the eyes of a westerner. ...How many times have we heard from the guy meeting there ladies for the first time, coming out and saying. ... She looked different to how i imagined her and her photo's.... but to me she looked even better than in her photo's. So they by no means get it right all the time.....
But your right in what else you have to say here, They should be posting non photoshopped photo's of there ladies, but i think you'll have a hard job convincing them.... As i said above, always a smart move to ask for natrual everyday snapshots of the lady your starting to communicate with.....
David.....
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What do they expect when finally get to see the real pictures
I say the same thing. If they get the photos looking like a different person? WHY? What do they expect? It's a disappointment right off the bat. I can see a little touch up here or there, but some take it to far.
Jim, (abigbutt - sorry I have a problem addressing someone like that). I know what you mean about models and real looks. I've seen it and them in real life. It's something that makes you look at the photo then at her, back to the photo?
Years ago I was involved in auto shows and conventions in NY. So I did meet models. Hired some as well. So yeah, I know exactly what your saying.
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abigbutt,
I don't know where you getting the idea, that i'm treating you as if you've been stuck in a closet, ..from??
I'm just not sure what you want me to say about Models, for a start i don't know any, and therefore wouldn't know what they look like without there faces painted...so to speak!!! What i do know, is that you can tell they are wearing make-up, whether it be day or night. Which is why i concentrated on the photoshopping side of things, because there, if you don't know what to look for, everything looks and seems natural, ....unlike a Models make-up.... Or have i lost the plot here somewhere?? ..If i have i appologise, maybe explain what your point is about the models, in the context of photoshopping??
David.....
Got any phone numbers for these models?? you know, ...just in case i might need consoling in the future!! haha!!
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I disagree with David , that ALL are photoshopped . I will show you Chnlove photo of my Wife and one she send to me couple month's later and one from my first Visit to see her . She is first wearing the same outfit , NOT a studio's , the same LITTLE makeup ( mostly Lipstick ) . So you tell me where you think there is photoshop involved ???
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Arnold,
If your gonna send photo's to compare, at least send with the approx same depth of field and distance from the camera. Without the photo lab gizmo's it's impossible to tell one way or the other, from these posted photo's if photoshopped or not....
David.....
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abigbutt,
I don't know where you getting the idea, that i'm treating you as if you've been stuck in a closet, ..from??
I'm just not sure what you want me to say about Models, for a start i don't know any, and therefore wouldn't know what they look like without there faces painted...so to speak!!! What i do know, is that you can tell they are wearing make-up, whether it be day or night. Which is why i concentrated on the photoshopping side of things, because there, if you don't know what to look for, everything looks and seems natural, ....unlike a Models make-up.... Or have i lost the plot here somewhere?? ..If i have i appologise, maybe explain what your point is about the models, in the context of photoshopping??
David.....
Got any phone numbers for these models?? you know, ...just in case i might need consoling in the future!! haha!!
David! it's all good, bro! I guess we were both pointing out things! LOL!
What do they expect when finally get to see the real pictures
I say the same thing. If they get the photos looking like a different person? WHY? What do they expect? It's a disappointment right off the bat. I can see a little touch up here or there, but some take it to far.
Jim, (abigbutt - sorry I have a problem addressing someone like that). I know what you mean about models and real looks. I've seen it and them in real life. It's something that makes you look at the photo then at her, back to the photo?
Years ago I was involved in auto shows and conventions in NY. So I did meet models. Hired some as well. So yeah, I know exactly what your saying.
Vince...it's cool bro...I have used this name on many forums...including gaming forums...I get quite a few funny comments about the name: abigbutt... LOL :icon_cheesygrin:
The best part is that over 90% of these comments people assume I am fat! How does that song go: I like bigbutts...
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Arnold,
If your gonna send photo's to compare, at least send with the approx same depth of field and distance from the camera. Without the photo lab gizmo's it's impossible to tell one way or the other, from these posted photo's if photoshopped or not....
David.....
Sorry David , those are the only ones I have ... to show no special outfit from the Studio's or Chnlove and her own make-up . I do not know how to change the size of photo's yet as I'm still pretty new on the PC . She was NOT photoshopped you want her to tell you that in person ? She was exactly what I saw in the photo's , when we first met .
Here is a Photo from her Modeling day's in Tokyo for five year's , now here you can see the difference . Well of course she was younger too .
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Arnold,
I tried to download on to my photo shop program to check some things, but i can't download a php file!!
But i have saved them, I'll ask a friend of mine if he can download and tell if any changes have been done to the original.... if that's OK with you ??
Arnold, i'm sure she would say she wasn't, and believe it too!! ...The thing is, they would never know once it goes to the photo studio, unless it was Obvious, and not necessarily as obvious as the photo's Willy has of that lady.
As I've said before, the photoshopping can be very low level, just highlighting, or shadowing different areas, of the face and body. They often just lighten facial area's. It really does go from having very little done to the real heavy stuff. The real good ones can make the lady bloom, without you ever noticing anything. Alas it's not those ones the guys are complaining about, it's the ladies that have been heavily photoshopped...
David.....
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Arnold,
As I've said before, the photoshopping can be very low level, just highlighting, or shadowing different areas, of the face and body. They often just lighten facial area's. It really does go from having very little done to the real heavy stuff. The real good ones can make the lady bloom, without you ever noticing anything. Alas it's not those ones the guys are complaining about, it's the ladies that have been heavily photoshopped...
David.....
There would not be a bloke on this Forum who has not seen his wife/girlfriend/lover in a "before make-up" and an "after make-up" situation.
I am sure we all accept that women have the skilled use of make-up to enhance their beauty as part of their genes :icon_cheesygrin:...and I'm not complaining at all about it.
When a Chinese Woman is trawling for Western man, she SHOULD do all possible to look her best in her profile photo.
What is the bugger in all this is the Agencies who take this to ridiculous lengths via extensive modification of her face AND her form to show her in the best light in their opinion. That is the fraud...and we dont know what we look at in a profile is a woman with good make-up, or a woman that has been photo shopped to the point of being a totally different person. WE DONT KNOW until we get natural photos, usually, repeat usually resisted by the Agency for a while...at least until we get past their "threshold" for EMF revenue.
It is very easy to "photoshop " a woman who goes to the studio "naked" (so to speak) and have them photo shop her with make-up.............no problem, she could do this herself in a beauty parlour, or at home if she had the skill. But adjustments to face shape (westernising the eyes, narrowing the facial profile, etc etc etc is the show-stopper)
DavidE
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abigbutt,
Now you've confused me even more!! There's Vince calling you Jim and a photo saying Peter (or that's what it looks like) So, .... is that you in the picture and is your name Peter or Jim?? Or is it a Secret??
David.....
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ROFLMAO...........BUT I guess its a secret, but then I was originally one of the Wuhan boys along with him and Chet since we all come Las Vegas
good to see you back ABIGBUTT..............LOLO
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Arnold,
If your gonna send photo's to compare, at least send with the approx same depth of field and distance from the camera. Without the photo lab gizmo's it's impossible to tell one way or the other, from these posted photo's if photoshopped or not....
David.....
Sorry David , those are the only ones I have ... to show no special outfit from the Studio's or Chnlove and her own make-up . I do not know how to change the size of photo's yet as I'm still pretty new on the PC . She was NOT photoshopped you want her to tell you that in person ? She was exactly what I saw in the photo's , when we first met .
Here is a Photo from her Modeling day's in Tokyo for five year's , now here you can see the difference . Well of course she was younger too .
Arnold
Your wife is a gorgeous woman...but you dont need me to tell you that. :icon_cheesygrin:
But I think she would look different if you sent a photo of her lounging around at home ???
The obvious "photshopping" in the photos is the skillful use of lighting.....if we want to nit-pick, it is photoshopping !!!
DavidE
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abigbutt,
Now you've confused me even more!! There's Vince calling you Jim and a photo saying Peter (or that's what it looks like) So, .... is that you in the picture and is your name Peter or Jim?? Or is it a Secret??
David.....
LOL...sorry to confuse you bro! Just call me abigbutt! Some of the guys have known me for a little while! My name is no secret...I have used abigbutt on many forums and use it here! LOL The name started about 5 years ago...when I began playing an online game...boy was I addicted to that game! LOL the game would always say: soandso was killed by... so I came up with the name abigbutt...ppl would rant and rave when I would snipe their sorry bigbutts:icon_cheesygrin: anyways apparently you have never seen the show "family guy" the star is Peter Griffin! Quite the handsome man I would say...LOL...my son and I joke about this!
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DavidE and David50 are both correct, practically all of the pictures are "touched up" in one way or another. I have been to the Agency and actually have asked this question to them, they admitted it to me !!! (Wuhan Agency) They almost always do some form of editing, hell the female owner of the agency was actually editing a picture of a lady in front of me, I was sitting with her at her desk when she was doing this, I have been to the agency at least 12 times and seen it with my own eyes. Sometimes the ladies do not even know her picture was edited. Like Arnold said, it goes from very little highlighting to the extreme, This is where the problem is, is when they take it to the extreme. In the extreme cases the women will obviously know when she see's her picture that it has been edited. It is my opinion that agencies want to attract a potential male for there female clients (and sometimes they might take that a little to far!), so they edit the photos to give the best impression, I am not saying I agree with there tactics. To us westerners we may look at this as misleading, but they do not see it that way, to them it's about making the women as beautiful as possible for her to attract many men, and in return that also means more money for them (EMF's from many male clients)
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ROFLMAO...........BUT I guess its a secret, but then I was originally one of the Wuhan boys along with him and Chet since we all come Las Vegas
good to see you back ABIGBUTT..............LOLO
yeah...I stayed low for awhile...Yanfang was wierd about me posting anything...go figure??? Anyways, on with newer things in life...how are ya doing Norb? Still going to Wuhan? Many game players there...LOL!!! Must be that western influence :icon_cheesygrin:... even the ones that have married western men...very disturbing if you ask me! Wuhan=caution! There are good women there, butt many bad ones too!
DavidE and David50 are both correct, practically all of the pictures are "touched up" in one way or another. I have been to the Agency and actually have asked this question to them, they admitted it to me !!! (Wuhan Agency) They almost always do some form of editing, hell the female owner of the agency was actually editing a picture of a lady in front of me, I was sitting with her at her desk when she was doing this, I have been to the agency at least 12 times and seen it with my own eyes. Sometimes the ladies do not even know her picture was edited. Like Arnold said, it goes from very little highlighting to the extreme, This is where the problem is, is when they take it to the extreme. In the extreme cases the women will obviously know when she see's her picture that it has been edited. It is my opinion that agencies want to attract a potential male for there female clients (and sometimes they might take that a little to far!), so they edit the photos to give the best impression, I am not saying I agree with there tactics. To us westerners we may look at this as misleading, but they do not see it that way, to them it's about making the women as beautiful as possible for her to attract many men, and in return that also means more money for them (EMF's from many male clients)
apparently none of you have heard of a makeover...geez you guys are something! Still I disagree with you all, about EVERY PHOTO being shopped! Ignorance is a deadend...many of the difference you will see will be with or without make-up...DUH!!! I am not picking on you bro...just stating the obvious! You guys can believe what you like...doesn't matter! If you are looking for that Chinese moviestar, maybe, just maybe, you will need to keep looking! Good luck gentlemen! LOL
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Photo shopping
There seems to be one or two of you here that think that not All photo's go through a photo-studio. They Do!!
Lets just take one example for a moment, a profile with maybe 4 or 5 photo's attached, it could be that 3 of those photo's were taken at the agency studio, or by the agency elsewhere, ...say a local park or other green area. The other two photo's on the profile, have been supplied by the lady herself.
The scenario from this point is that all 5 photo's are looked at by the agency photo-studio, (this is the normal course before any photo gets attached to a profile) it is basically they, who decide what these photo's need (in there opinion) and they will decide how much alteration or enhancement, each of the selected photo's require. Now it may mean that possibly one may not need anything at all, while the others will have varying degrees of enhancement. Once the studio is happy with the results the photo's are set, and handed back to the agency for inclusion in the ladies profile. So, ''All'' of the photo's go through the agency photo-studio!!
Now all this is quite normal and an everyday thing for the Chinese, they think nothing of having photo's photoshopped. Probably every photo that they have mounted in family photo albums have been photoshopped, from chosen photo's of when they were babies up until the present. It's how the Chinese like to see themselves, ....at there best!!, even if they don't quit look like that person in the photo, ''they'' think that they DO!!
We as Westerners, don't see it that way, ...we want to see natural photo's and a lot of the ladies often wonder why, ...They are thinking, ...why doesn't he want to see me at my best?? The agencies know by now, that the Western men want to see natural photo's, but now, ...they are afraid that the natural photo's don't show there ladies at there best, and become reluctant to send on these natural photo's, and normally you only get to receive them after a struggle. Some of the guys are pleased with these photo's while others see a big difference between the profile and natural photo's, ...most will see a some difference!!
OK, i think I've explained the process fairly accurately here, a lot of this has been explained to me, and or confirmed by Lucy, as being correct. Now if you disagree with what I've written, fine your free like all of us here to have your own ideas on agency photoshopping. I'm not condoning the above process, far from it, i agree with everyone here that the guys should know, what the lady they are writing too, looks like in reality not ''enhanced pixel'' reality!!.... I don't think i need to write anymore on this subject, i think by this and the other posts I've posted on this thread fully explains my beliefs views and opinions....
David.....
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Photo shopping
There seems to be one or two of you here that think that not All photo's go through a photo-studio. They Do!!
So, ''All'' of the photo's go through the agency photo-studio!!
David.....
now: they "ALL" go thru the "photo-studio"! please make up your mind!
Photoshop verses Photo-studio....LOL again...NOT ALL!!!! I have seen a pic from a phone camera there...so be cautious in what ur saying, bro!
WoW....LOL...I see your opinions...I also understand reality...LOL...think whatcha like...I understand completely!:icon_cheesygrin: Have a great day, bro!
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this thread is locked.I don't think we need any further comments on wether the photos are photshopped or not.