China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => The Campfire => Topic started by: Scottish_Rob on October 13, 2009, 10:41:35 am
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Hi you load of misfits and reprobates...lol:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Well as another relationship bites the dust,:@ I just am gonna get up, brush myself down and start again...:icon_biggrin:
I thought very seriously about doing this, so soon, (for about 20/30 minutes, not that I didn't love Ke ren) but thought why bloody not. I'm going there anyway, so why not see if I will still have a beautiful lady to follow me about.
Anyway I have put myself back on the market, rewrote my details on my profile. I have mentioned my height within the opening paragraph, so there CA BE NO misunderstandings. And also included the fact that I am going there to live and teach...:angel:
I have picked a bevvy of beauties, and have sent a couple of cupids, and also two letters out...as Feelers.:dodgy:
So in the immortal words of my football teams fans...ON YE GO SON:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
So HERE I GO...
Wish me luck guys...
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Rob,
Frankly, i'd wait till you get over there mate, it costs you nothing to meet the agency ladies face to face....
Ask Willy how he went about things with the agencies!! ... Oh, and just in case you are as successful as Willy with the ladies, .... you had better take an adequate supply of ''Viagra'' with you, cause knowing Willy, he would have already bought up China's supply!!!
David.....
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Rob,
You know what they say, "You can't keep a good man down." Rob you have one of the most, "get up and go" attitudes I've seen in a while. I have alway said it isn't what knocks a man down that makes up his character but how he gets up that does.
Be sure you pursue chnlove over this issue. I read everything you have written about this issue including that you believe that Ka Ren is real. Rob, I am going through similar issues after corresponding with a woman for 6 months. After reading a book suggested by Buzz called "Chinese Women in Love and Marriage" by Dawu Xiao Yan Li, I am sure Pinky either does not have full knowledge of what is going on or is not aware that I exist. I had my suspicions prior to the book and the book dramatically increased my suspicions. Great book and recommendation I must say. I can't comment on Ka Ren but I would suggest that you read the book and then evaluate the letters she has written to you.
From experience I know that chnlove will do very little to investigate and will try to sweep this under the carpet and not refund any credits. IMHO you ought to get as many back as you have invested.
The only thing I can say about myself in this and I am sure you would claim too that we are much wise men after all that has happened and that our decisions will be based on the knowledge we have gained.
Good luck in pursuing your future happiness.
Shaun
OOOhh... I just read David5o's response above mine. Mental note buy more Pfizer stock today!!!!!!!!!
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In the words from Our football... Now get out there and kick ass.
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Up and at 'em.
Good on yer Rob!!!
Best of luck
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Good luck Rob. I would definately push the lady for a webcam session. I've seen a few Internet cafes around here (well actually they're more like somebody's living room with 4 PCs stuck in it) so don't take any excuses about not being able to set up a webcam session!
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yeah, I'm in firm agreement. webcam meeting near the 10'th letter or she's got chin hair.
And I'm real sorry to hear how things turned out Rob. This hurt almost as much as Michael's shooting. Unforgivable.
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I think, because of what "lived" Rob for those 11 months... that the best thing to do would be to meet some ladies, but direct face to face, via the agenciy. Even if it should cost some money if needing any translator (or not?) but... that's my own point of view.
For sure, I would not Rob to spend some money in letters now just ... to have any "no" after a while and without any valuable reason.
Anyway, glad to hear you still on the ride to go over there, Rob ;) and congrats about your "temper"? :)
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GO and ride that horse Rob! Glad you feel this way!
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That the spirit my man!.....:icon_biggrin:
Got a couple of ladies here in Baoding that would like to meet you, not bad looking either mate!!!!:angel:
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Paul...Well mate you have my email address, there is nothing like starting afresh...BUT, MAKE SURE they know my height:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:...hahaha
Right guys I opened this thread when I first got Ke Rens letter, to show the 'Bulldog Spirit, maybe I was a bit hasty or maybe not...
Anyway I decided that I will keep her as a friend, I know and understand 'why' some of you guys may not think this is a good idea. However if you look at it from my point of view, you may.
(1) I will be over there possibly alone at first, so she may well come in useful...
(2) I do not (very often) hold grudges...(although maybe on this one I should, but I know me I WON'T), it's not in my make up...
Now that the rant is over, thought I would update you... I sent a couple of cupids and have had a reply from a lady...Within her reply she mentioned things that was on my NEW profile, she even wished me a happy birthday for this week. In my profile I put that I was going to Qingdao and when, she even said that she would be willing to meet me there..So I know someone read it properly....hehehe
I sent her a reply, explained about everything and said I would be honoured if she wanted to meet me..
So as the thread title says
HERE WE GO AGAIN
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Rob,
Not holding grudges is a virtue and I admire you for that. It really doesn't matter what others think on this issue what matters is what you are comfortable with. In that arena you are the only judge, well other than God and you know what He says. The moving on should be admired also. GO GET 'EM.
Shaun
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Why go to Qingdao? have you anything definate for there Rob?
Only saying that as they are presently shipping Viagra to the South and i dont mind sharing the odd pill or two as I may not need quite so much now as the Willy is seriously considering settling down.
Have you actually got a Hotel booked in Qingdao ? and a flight booked to there - I believe you said that you sent money to Ke Ren for that sometime ago.
Maybe I should speak to you privately about that.
Well you know where I am if you need anything.
Willy
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Greetings Brothers,
Well Rob its good to see you are not hinding in a corner. Its sad to see a relationship die and I am glad you are not into holding grudges, all that does is sour your outlook on life so not much point.
Good to see you also going to follow through on the teaching thing. Hope it works and you find a nice lady to give your love to.
For me so far my best opportunity is in Guiyang and am just waiting confirmation that I have the position. So who knows we may run into each other somewhere in China.
Take care of yourself and keep that positive attitude going and you will find the lady that is right for you, I have no doubt of this.
Sincerely,
Zhen and Brian
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Happy to hear the news Rob. I hope I am not speaking out of turn here. Things happen for a reason even if we don't want them to. It is usually beyond our control but maybe there is something better for us, even if we didn't think so. It is good not to hold a grudge, learn from it and move on, because it is baggage we don't need. I think you are right to keep the door open for her as a friend and neither of you don't have to step through it if you don't want to. Soon you will be in China starting a new job and faced with a language barrier, it is a worthy challenge. I am sure you will make some friends there (it doesn't cost to have friends), you will always have the support of the brotherhood as you start a new chapter in your life and in that I wish you well.
Now get out there and prove the adage correct that you can't keep a good man down!
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This is for Robert , to either close this with KeRen or keep her as Friend ? She did receive all our Letter's , but like she said ... well here is her last reply to my last letter to her . I leave it up to Rob now ... what to do with KeRen .
Anyway , Rob .... of course I wish you the best with the new Hunt and still have all the support you can muster .
From: Kathy Wang (Profile ID: P656032 )
To: arnold dusch
Date: Oct 16, 2009 GMT Mail ID: P656HEABGGB
Dear Arnold
Thanks for sending the letter and the beautiful pictures again, I feel really happy to see such a beautiful marriage between you and your laopo Qing, I sincerely hope you will love each other forever and grow old with smiles together .
Rob is really a nice man, I am happy for him to have the good friend as you, thanks for your understanding of my decision, It was hard for me to made this decision, but I have no way to go, people said the real happy marriage is a marriage with everyone's blessing, so I beleive you understand the situation we met now, I made this decision is for the happiness of both Rob and me , the painful time is just temporarily , but the happiness is all lifelong
I am very glad that Chnlove could help so many people find their real love , I beleive every one who wrote to me has a kind heart , I sincere thank every one of you , with your help, I believe Rob will gain happiness with future, I will bless him always .
All my best wishes
Kathy
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Hello Rob,
its always sad when things go the "wrong" way. But as some brothers say, things go the way they have to. Even though it is sad, you never know what it is good for. I wish you all the best for your "hunt" for the right lady.
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Rob, nothing wrong with keeping her as a friend if that's what you want. I do this myself. It's even more fun saying no no you had your chance. :icon_biggrin:
Willy, I sent the shipment of pills you wanted. They sent proof of shipment (see photo). It should be sitting at dock by noon. Good luck. :icon_cool:
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That should last him a week or two . Hope he does not put that on the Forum Account , as Business expence :@
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Willy, I sent the shipment of pills you wanted. They sent proof of shipment (see photo). It should be sitting at dock by noon. Good luck. :icon_cool:
Thought you could have done better than just one weeks supply Vince.
Willy
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Hey willy , I could use some ... ones my Wife get's here . You mind ?
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Don't worry Arnold Maxx is rolling your way as we speak.
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Hey Arnold.No worries I will be there in a couple of hours with your supply.Vince also included a pump at no extra charge in case the viagra doesn't work.
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lucky stiffs!!!!!!!! :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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That last trap looks familiar.Only thing missing is the tequila lol
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Thanks Mike. Best laugh I have had all day. Maybe I have already been caught - time will tell if I can or even want to escape.
But until then it is business as usual.
Is it just me or do Chinese women generally accept infidelity in their lives?
Willy
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Top ten reasons why americans like small chinese women......
10. they can be carried when they wear out from walking
9. they don't have to bend over to remove clothes from the dryer.
8. they can fix a leaky sink, without all the butt crack and laying all over the floor
7. they fit in your carry on luggage, no extra cost no extra seat....
6. can find that impossible bolt, the japenese stick in your car engine, you can never get to..
5. can actually see the lint and dust under the bed
4. only need 5 gallon bucket of water to bath in
3. fit easily into glovebox for sneeking across border or into motor movies
2. get child discounts at all restraunts (children eat free)..
1. a glass of beer and ashtray fit on head while your watching the ball game and getting you know what
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Rob,
I am so very sorry to learn what happened. it has got to hurt no matter what. And i am glad you are moving forward with this and not giving up. There are thousands of beautiful women in China. In some ways Willy has the right idea. Go shopping there, it is probably good to have a friend there to start off with, someone who can show you around, some women to initially meet. Man I would not trade my LaoPo for anyone in the world but had I known before hand I may have played in their home field for awhile. Just getting to know some of the amazing women there is half the fun. By going to the agencies and meeting these ladies face to face will tell you more than 50 EMF's could. Then there are friends of friends, so many women so little time. Honestly, I would give Willy's suggestion some serious thought. Why not go where you have someone to pal with?
Good luck and good hunting.
Jim
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Rocky you have me crackin up over here lmao.To add to that laist they can figure out how to put things together when you buy them at the walmart and they say made in china.
Ron
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4 weeks to go til I go to Qingdao... Am I excited... of course I am, but obviously not AS excited as I was.
I don't want to do it now...
Tonight I feel hurt, angry, mad, bewildered, devastated, cheated, I feel like my heart has been ripped out of my chest. I feel like a hare staring at the oncoming headlights and cannot get out of the way. Tonight Myself and arnold spoke at length on some things concerning this with Ke Ren. He showed and told me something that has made me believe that 'SHE' did love me. I do not want to go into detail and I ask that no one question this. Suffice to say I believe it to be true. I asked a question of him "What if I 'bump' into her at the agency, or in town or out shopping" Will she speak to me? Maybe what I should have asked "What if I bump into her, how will I feel? Deep down I know I will feel mad, angry hurt, want to say something, but most of all I will feel love.
This woman grabbed my attention with her looks, she totally captivated me with her words. I know that you people that are not as romantic as myself or maybe Brian will say, "How can you fall in love with a picture?" Well for the romantics it is not just the picture. it is the words, the meanings behind the words, the laughter she gives you, the anger when you hear she is in some sort of trouble. It is everything combined, and no matter what anyone say's 'we' will always see that. So in a sense, 'we' are to blame also, we put these ladies on a pedestal, out of reach of normality -- in our eyes. Maybe we deserve everything we get.
All this bravado with myself getting replies to cupids, and sending letters etc. That's all it is... BRAVADO, although getting letters and cupid replies and admire mail is all true. Personally I don't think I'm ready for this. What am I going to do, well what else can I do about it but go and face the demons.
I know you guys have been right behind me, and I thank you all. I know you will probably say, ether don't go, or go somewhere else, or you have to move on. The point is, I know this, but at the moment I am finding it tough. Many of you will probably know this because of my recent answers to other brothers posts, or the way I have posted some threads since.
I am most probably the best guy on here capable of putting a Brave Face on things, because of my past. Sometimes there is nothing that can be said when someone feels like this, so although I have everyone's backing, I know I must go on with the Brave face. So if for the next couple of weeks or so, if I am not as active as I once was, don't worry, you will know why?
Last night I looked at the information I have concerning school, colleges, and universities in the area. I wrote them all down into my notebook that I am taking. Names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses etc etc. I have something like 30 places to try. As it turns out NOW, I will use this trip to scout for work, although I have some lined up starting in March. I decided the other day that I will be as prepared as much as I can be, to go to these places and try face to face looking for work. This is the reason for the suit guys.
Will I enjoy being there? The short answer is NO, not as much as I would have done if things hadn't turned out the way they did. But there is one thing I haven't mentioned, and that is. IF it had not been for meeting Ke Ren through the web site, i would not have meet all you nice people, or have been going on a journey, that deep down I know will be the TRIP of a lifetime...
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Rob , your words bring Tears to my Eyes . You know how I would love for you to stop at LAX on a lay-over and I would not hesitate
( even take a day off work ) to meet you there . One the way there or one the way back . You are one great Man , I really like to meet .
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Well Rob you do still have choices you know. Everyone makes mistakes. Its a human error on all of our parts. There is always room for a second chance if both agree to let the mistake go. If you truely think that Ke Ren did or does still love you. You gave up on her way to quickly. Even though your thoughts might still be driven by translaters and such. Even though it was over such a small issue. I am sure you can always try again to bring the true love back to you. Its what some call destiny. Just have to believe it exists and can come true.
If you do not believe things can change then you must move on to another. I am sure you do not wish to be alone for the rest of your life. Hence the reason why you are here i would assume.
No matter what the outcome will be. Go to China. Ya paid for the flights and im sure room as well. See the sights china has to offer. Set your mind free from the past and prepare the future insight of what you think you can do with your life. With or without Ke Ren.
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"...There is always room for a second chance if both agree to let the mistake go. If you truely think that Ke Ren did or does still love you. You gave up on her way to quickly. .....I am sure you can always try again to bring the true love back to you. Its what some call destiny. Just have to believe it exists and can come true.
Chet thanks for your input...There is no way back in her eyes...If she won't answer my letters or calls and I'm not there at the moment What can I do???:huh:
I can only hope that a meet can be arranged...It may have looked like I gave up way to easy but I didn't, there were things happening in other areas...
I being a romantic sort of guy, believes in Destiny...Once there I hope to fulfill mine
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I understand there is the give it time frame also. For now you have made the contact known as to what happened. Maybe have to ease the transition. If she can work the arranged meeting there might be for sure definate hope maybe. All depends on her i say.
And yes i kinda figured there was more issues in the background. Just went by what was told is all i did.
Ive done the romantic style for many years. Unfortunately the states women love themselves and money for the most part not all but a good run of them do. Which makes a romantic very very sour at times. Kinda hard to bring or keep the romantic there when a brick wall of i need money or i dont wanna kicks in. I hate that.
But just wait and see how things boil down to. Best of luck there however it unfolds for you.
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Rob
The Demons you need to face are not in China !!
You admit to yourself that you would never consider moving there full-time if it was not for the fact that you had your love there to be with you.
If you doubt that you want to go to live in China...for its own sake...and nothing else...then dont go !!
If you are wondering about making the trip on the offchance that you can meet KeRen....its a very, very long shot unless you have prior knowlege that she will be willing to at least meet you.
If you are continuing with your trip on the sole basis that you might meet her...dont go !!
If you want to have a look at a wonderful, different and exotic Country that may hold the key to your future work and life situation...then go and have a great time, a good look at it all...and maybe get the opportunity to meet some other Women whilst you are there.
Nobody here wants you to trek off to China on a very vague hope that you MIGHT meet KeRen...we dont want to see you inflict more pain on yourself by pursuing a hopeless cause.
It is OK to hurt, it is OK to grieve...but it is NOT OK for a good Man to destroy himself....
Think carefully about your motives Mate ...whatever you decide, my and everybody elses wishes for success go with you.
DavidE
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Of course the little devil on my shoulder (David E) is right as always and so are you Mike... I know this...
If I am being perfectly honest, tonight something happened and was said to me which put me on a right downer. It brought back the memories and brought into focus what happened to me 5 days ago. So I started 'feeling' low again that is all
I don't think for one minute that we would 'bump' into each other in the city or shops, maybe at the agency there would be a chance...BUT I am definetaly not going there ON A CHANCE of MAYBE catching sight of her...
Personally I think the doubts surfaced because of what happened tonight. There has been one more letter sent to her to try and arrange going for a coffee, if this fails, then so be it...
I have been looking forward to making a new life for myself, and I have been told that that there are many woman to choose from... However, what I mentioned earlier is true to a certain extent, 'Am I ready for another woman?' Maybe not right now...It will take time to get over this...BUT who knows when I get there and see the Beauty I have been told about...
I have never been outside of the UK, so to go this far away from everyone takes guts. Tonight I questioned myself, and 'realised' my doubts were down to what had been mentioned in this post. However I have the resolve and determination to do this.. Maybe even next week or the day before I go I will have doubts again, who knows? The main thing I know and it is going against what I wrote earlier is that, in my heart of hearts I do want to do it.
So again friends I thank you
Rob
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY ROB Well I understand where you are coming from.Whether it is closure or make sure you have given it everything you could.I know you have to do what you have to do.Get out get some air and you have time to think about all this like what ? 4 weeks?I know everyone here wishes you the best at whatever you decide.You know we are here for you when you are ready.Hope you are having a hell of a good birthday my friend.
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY Rob,
I wish that I was 53 again!!!
If you do decide on continuing the journey then just get out here and see what you will have done by the time you reach my age!! You know what my thoughts are as we have spoken privately.
You have given a lot of pleasure to the Brothers and they will all stick by you whichever course you choose. So you will never be alone.
What has happened is just another chapter in your book. Its a pity you are not already here as you will find moving on a great deal easier. Look at me, broke up on Monday, met a lady on her way into the agency on Tuesday and was in love again by Wednesday. her from that day to now. From then I have gone from lady to lady but now have one that I am teaching her English too - I taught her to count, you no '96, 97, 98,99 now change hands'!!!! It is great fun
Whatever happens you to could have a great time here and if it does not work out, England, sorry Scotland, is only a plane ride away.
Willy
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A BIG Happy birthday to you my friend!:heart:
We hope the next year brings you all the happiness you deserve and a bit more!
Ming Zhi,Paul:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Willy,
Your a sick man. :icon_cheesygrin:
Shaun
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If Willy & Rob got together they would be a regular "Mutt & Jeff"
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ROFLMAO....:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Thanks Vince I needed that !!!! :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Ok guys here I go again...
Sorry if this is getting annoying, but I feel that what someone said earlier maybe I did not do enough to win her back.
So tonight I wrote a letter to her dad and tomorrow I post it. I will put this letter with one to Keren to ask that she delivers it. THIS is maybe a chance that I have to take. If anyone wants to comment on it, I ask that you comment from a fathers point of view, thanks guys.
Mr Wang
Hello
Please forgive my intrusion into your life, I do not mean to be so forward with someone I have never meet. My name is Robert, You may know me as Bo WEN. Keren tells me you gave me this name. For that I thank you and feel very honoured about this. Please do not be angry with Keren, she knows nothing about this letter to you from me. The only thing I have asked her to do is deliver it to you unopened. So I hope that this was the way you received it as such.
I have been in contact with Keren since last November 2008. And as time progressed our feelings towards each other has grown. So much so, that I asked her to marry me -- 'informally'. I knew that when I come to Qingdao on 16th November 2009, I would be asking your permission for this. Family values to me is very important, I cherish my own sons and daughters, and also my grandchildren. I think I must tell you here, that I love your daughter very much, and I know she also loves me.
I understand from our recent correspondence that you do not agree with this, because you feel you may lose Face. I must say, and I do not mean this to sound bad. But your culture is a strange one for us Westerners to understand all of it, but there are many of us who do try. I am one of those who is trying to understand it all.
Please excuse me Mr Wang, but as I see it Keren is being a dutiful daughter to you and your wife, please understand this to be true. She has told me that we must 'Break off' our correspondence. This saddens me and is breaking both our hearts !!!
I truly do understand your reason which is 'FACE, however, please excuse me again, but I truly DO NOT understand the validity of your reason, because I am small?? Yes I am a Laowei, Yes sir I am 143 cms tall. But could you tell me what has height got to do with anything? Keren was wrong to keep this from you, and she aknowldges this however, I can see some of her logic in doing so. Can you? All she wanted to do was get her family to love me in their hearts -- as she does, and not see the height. Tell me please, Is that so wrong?
If you know anything about History Mr Wang, you will 'maybe' remember that the likes of such people as 'Ghengis Khan', 'Napoleon' , 'Mao Tse Tung' and others were small too, and these were great leaders in their Countries.
Many of my friends on www.Chinalove.info sent letters to Keren to possibly pass onto you about me. I am not sure if this wa done because she mentioned about you being sick in bed. They have known me maybe for only 6 months to over 1 year, and they had many good things to say about me. Too which I am extremely grateful and full of astonishment that anyone would do this for me.
I could go on and list all my 'good' traits but I feel that this would be too vain of me to do so. Yes I am small in height, but through the years (I am now 53 years of age), I have made many good and loyal friends, why?..... Because I am a good and decent person who has a big heart. there are a few people who has said to me, "Give it up" but how can I???. 11 months 1 week and 3 days of speaking to Keren has brought me nothing but happiness.
I don't think your daughter would just pick up any one, because I think she is a very good and sincere lady, she is a credit to you and your family, and she is also beautiful both on the outside and inside. I saw this in her eyes the first time I saw her photograph..
Would you let your daughter suffer 'Maybe' years of 'hurt' and 'loneliness' by not being with me because your culture is 'Face' driven? Is it not better to have a small person in the family rather than have someone who would be arrogant and maybe mistreat her. Someone said and I quote, 'He will bring Face too your family, because he will NEVER embarress your family because of his height, he is a sincere man'.
Sir in conclusion, I ask that you can maybe see some of the honourable traits I have and at least let Keren and I meet, to see if this could work. Or even if YOU would meet me to discuss your concerns. I know you are a loving parent, and I understand your feelings, I am one also. However this is your daughters happiness we are talking about here, not anyone's ego, I do not mean to sound cheeky here. You will see your daughter I can understand that you may think that she would move away if she marries me, this will not happen. Height, Colour, Race, Religion should not stand in the way of her happiness. You care so much for your daughter, I understand that, but with all my heart I love her and I know you do also. I will be a good husband and family member (if accepted). This letter is from a father to a father, so I hope you don't think me conceited, all I am trying to do is WIN back the love of my lady and hopefully the respect from her family...
I would NOT presume to tell you how to run your family but I would be willing to wait another year to get married, if that is what you would like, in that time you would get to know me and I would get to know you and your culture. You see, I am moving to Qingdao to teach and live. Maybe I should have said this at the start !!!
I will go now and let you decide.
I hope with your Gods help and mine, you may overturn your decision
Rob
Bo Wen.
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Rob,
Your letter touched my heart as a father myself. I thought about this letter as a father receiving a letter from a man who wanted to marry my daughter. I have 2 ages 24 and 22; both still in school. One graduates in May with DS in Physical Therapy and the other graduates with a bachelors in Psychology. I'm not a proud father am I.
Anyway I wanted to read the letter this way and would like to pass you a few observations. I know I cannot speak for Ka Ren's father. If I had turned you down I would definitely have to take a second look at you.
1. This man does not give up easily.
2. This man has professed more than once that he loves my daughter.
3. This man has respect for fatherhood.
4. This man has respect for me.
5. He has respect for our culture.
6. He has respect for my daughter.
7. He has guts to confront me.
8. He deserves a chance for me to know him better.
Rob,
Rob I didn't say you had a chance to marry my daughter but you would have the chance to prove yourself. I hope this is what you get from her father.
Go for it.
Of course we will support you whatever transpires.
Shaun
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I think Shaun and I are one the same page .
Very well put Shaun , thanks . I'm sure Rob will also thank you .
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Fair play Rob, its respectful and from the heart, I hope he reads it with an open mind.
How will he read it though?, did you write it in Chinese, does Keren speak English enough to translate the meaning well to him?, this is kind of letter will be very hard to translate and keep the feeling and meaning intact.
It might be an idea to write that as an emf to her and add a note to the translator stating that you wished they would make a written translation and seal it up for the father. The translators are people too, i honestly think Keren's one will have her heart warmed by your story with her and might go the extra mile to help, worth a try mate.
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Ronan,
As i understand it, he is getting his Chinese teacher to translate it, and is posting the letter via ''Snail Mail'' to the parents address in China...
David.....
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Greetings Brothers,
Rob happy belated birthday. Sorry I dod not send our wishes earlier but these last few days I have been packing up my apartment and driving my effects to my sister in another province through the rocky mtns. I have been a little out of touch.
As for your letter to her father Rob, I have to say nicely done!! You expressed yourself well and brought out many valid points without being rude or intrusive. I would say you should expect some form of reply and hopefully its a positive one.
Good luck my friend we are all rooting for you.
Sincerely,
Zhen and Brian
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Happy Birthday Rob, and I sincerely hope all works out with you. I went through the same thing, except at least you got an explanation, I got nothing at all, so I moved on. But, perhaps all will work out and if it doesn't, we perhaps it wasn't meant to be and there is somthing better down the line. I truly hope all works out for you bro. Scares the hell out of me to try agian, but I am anyway. (I never learn)
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Right guys a little update...
As per Ronan's discussion on translation, I decided the best way to do this with the letters... was his way. Later that night this was done and sent. Now it's just the wait...I won't hold my breath, however, I half expected a reply later the next day as she usually does, but up to now , NO REPLY. I am hoping that the old adage is right... 'No news is good news...'
The letter included a note to the translator asking if she would translate it and seal in an envelope for Keren to give to her father. A letter to Keren asking to PLEASE deliver it, and the letter to her father that you all saw.
As a true romantic I realised THIS letter IS my last chance...Sorry if some think I should have let it go, BUT as I mentioned within the letter to her dad, I could not give up without a REAL FIGHT it is after all my decision...If I lose or get hurt as a result it is my fault. Someone said, and I cannot remember who it was, that a fight is worth fighting, if the rewards are there, but, if only one party is 'fighting' IS it worth fighting then?? He was right of course...I only hope that I am proved right, just this once...
I read what Chinese Knot said to me in a Pm about the thread and my questions. He basically told me that (if I am reading between the lines RIGHT here) it is HER and not the family. But he also said this was HIS opinion... So this news was not good for me, so I wait now...
No matter what way this turns out, I am settled in my mind. As you can possibly imagine it was all over the place these last few days. I am going on with my plans...3 weeks and 3 days I leave the UK to continue my life in China.
Oh BTW just a note for you guys . I got an email from CS Mike tonight he asked me to say HI to you all...
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Rob, you did everything you could. So you can rest easy on that, you tried your best and if it doesnt work out, it was not meant to be. My mother has always told me that everything happens for a reason. I know guys here have said it too, but I have heard it all of my life. My divorce was a killer but without it I never would have met my wonderful, beautiful LaoPo. You will too. By the by happy belated birthday.
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Hey Rob,
Sorry to hear about your misfortunes. I do not know the full story since i have been gone so long. Can you point me in the direction what section you discussed what happened i would like to read about it. Or you can send me a pm. Thanks man. And good luck you will find your real love i believe its out there.
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Rob,
Don't feel like you are disappointing those who told you to run. You need to be true to you. When I throw out an idea to the brotherhood I expect different answers. It helps me to decided either what I am already feeling or there may be a group of different ideas that blend well but I look for the thing that sets well with me. The best example of that that I can show you is JimB. He listened to everyone when he asked about Qingqing then realized there was only one way that would work for him. He did great.
Just be true to yourself and don't worry about the rest,
Shaun
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Rob, you are giving it your best shot, you can hold no regrets, I'm hugely in admiration for how well you are handling this, you can go to China to follow your dreams with your head held high mate - and with an attitude like yours, i have no doubt at all that a bonnie lass is just waiting there for a fun loving Scotsman to sweep her off her feet.
I firmly believe that everything happens for a reason as Jim says, may the road rise to meet you as the aul blarney would say ;)