China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Ask An Experienced Member => Topic started by: Jimmy on October 21, 2009, 11:00:09 am
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If a woman applys for a tourist visa comes here and then you convert the visa sounds like a great Idea.
But not many try that, so there must be some risk that I am unaware of.
Libo and I are thinking of trying that. Before we do Someone give me the downside here please.
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Yeah, usually they send them back home and you have to apply for another visa. At least that is what I have heard.
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Yeah, usually they send them back home and you have to apply for another visa. At least that is what I have heard.
I just got off the phone with a lawyer. He told me you can try for the tourist Visa, It is possible to convert and if they are denied the tourist visa. There is no consequence when appling later for one of the other visas.
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What I have read is that if she is here on a tourist Visa or work visa and then you apply for a marriage visa, she will have to return to her home country until it is approved. Now what I do not know is if she must return immediately or can wait until her tourist visa is up. If she could wait it out here, everyone would do it I am sure.
I learned this while trying to find out about my wife's (then fiancee's) work Visa. I was hoping she could come here to work then get our marriage visa while she was here already but was told no she would have to return home. I guess the reasoning is that they figured she would hide out or you could "turn her out" while waiting. lol.
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Yeah, usually they send them back home and you have to apply for another visa. At least that is what I have heard.
I've been wondering about something along the same lines. If your lady has a college education or a profession then she's going to need to get credentials which means an education in the US. This being that the US does not recognize most foreign degrees so they make you go to school all over again. So what about the idea of bringing here on a student visa and when it's time to convert her to some sort of resident alien status being that she's gotten an American husband now? I guess this would also require the marriage to not take place until after she got the student visa, and also my understanding is that she's already got to be accepted to a school before applying. Any thoughts?
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I would assume it is the same as a work Visa. She would have to be accepted into a school first then if you applied for a marriage visa she would have to return home to wait it out. But, I could be wrong. So I would ask a lawyer.
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JimB You have the right answer.It does not matter to immigration what kind of visa your girlfriend has got.If she applies for a K1 or K3 she will need to return to China.And wait out the process like everybody else.The reason is because immigration doesn't want somebody to think that there putting something over on them.
Jimmy what the lawyer didn't tell you was.That it is almost impossible for a single Chinese woman.To get a tourist visa to the United States.It has a 95% failure rate.The reason for the high failure rate is.
If immigration suspects there is a boyfriend involved.It is a automatic denial.
If the woman cannot pay the deposit fee it is a denial.
If the lady can't prove that she has a valued reason to return to China it is a denial.(House ,Job,Kids,a letter from her boss stating what a valuable asset she is to the company. a huge bank account)
If her English skills are not 100% there is a good chance of denial. (They will tell the lady it is for her own safety)
If all the above conditions are met.There is still a good chance the lady will be denied a visa..
For you guys that are trying to circumnavigate the immigration process.I do not under any circumstances recommend this.If you or the lady draw any undo attention from immigration.You and the lady both can be red flagged.If you and the lady get red flagged.Your best bet of ever being together would.Be you moving to China and living there permanently.Because you will never get the lady a visa to the United states.
It was suggested to me by a member on a different forum.What about getting the lady a visa for Guam or Siapan.(Used to be fairly easy at the time)Then putting her on a plane for the states.(Guam and Siapan are U.S. territories.There is no immagration control when you get off the plane) At the time the question was asked immigration had not closed that hole.Things mite of changed now.I don't know anymore what the procedures are for immagration from U.S. territories.
It is a good idea and a bad idea.No Job no drivers licence.No public support of any kind.No hospitals.No doctors.The first thing they ask you when you have to put somebody in the hospital ore to see a doctor is they want a I.D. of some kind.If things don't add up at admissions.They are going to call immigration.
Then you and the lady are in more trouble then you ever dreamed of.Your going to jail on a number of different charges.The lady will be treated for whatever she went to the hospital or doctor for.Then she will be deported.You will probably end up with a felony.And be red flagged.The lady will be red flagged.
Do not play with immigration.They do remember and they will make your life a living hell.All information was gathered from actual border patrol in New Mexico.And Nathan from the official forum,.He works for immigration in Ca.
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JimB You have the right answer.It does not matter to immigration what kind of visa your girlfriend has got.If she applies for a K1 or K3 she will need to return to China.And wait out the process like everybody else.The reason is because immigration doesn't want somebody to think that there putting something over on them.
Jimmy what the lawyer didn't tell you was.That it is almost impossible for a single Chinese woman.To get a tourist visa to the United States.It has a 95% failure rate.The reason for the high failure rate is.
If immigration suspects there is a boyfriend involved.It is a automatic denial.
If the woman cannot pay the deposit fee it is a denial.
If the lady can't prove that she has a valued reason to return to China it is a denial.(House ,Job,Kids,a letter from her boss stating what a valuable asset she is to the company. a huge bank account)
If her English skills are not 100% there is a good chance of denial. (They will tell the lady it is for her own safety)
If all the above conditions are met.There is still a good chance the lady will be denied a visa..
For you guys that are trying to circumnavigate the immigration process.I do not under any circumstances recommend this.If you or the lady draw any undo attention from immigration.You and the lady both can be red flagged.If you and the lady get red flagged.Your best bet of ever being together would.Be you moving to China and living there permanently.Because you will never get the lady a visa to the United states.
It was suggested to me by a member on a different forum.What about getting the lady a visa for Guam or Siapan.(Used to be fairly easy at the time)Then putting her on a plane for the states.(Guam and Siapan are U.S. territories.There is no immagration control when you get off the plane) At the time the question was asked immigration had not closed that hole.Things mite of changed now.I don't know anymore what the procedures are for immagration from U.S. territories.
It is a good idea and a bad idea.No Job no drivers licence.No public support of any kind.No hospitals.No doctors.The first thing they ask you when you have to put somebody in the hospital ore to see a doctor is they want a I.D. of some kind.If things don't add up at admissions.They are going to call immigration.
Then you and the lady are in more trouble then you ever dreamed of.Your going to jail on a number of different charges.The lady will be treated for whatever she went to the hospital or doctor for.Then she will be deported.You will probably end up with a felony.And be red flagged.The lady will be red flagged.
Do not play with immigration.They do remember and they will make your life a living hell.All information was gathered from actual border patrol in New Mexico.And Nathan from the official forum,.He works for immigration in Ca.
Thanks man. This is much more of an answer than the lawyer gave.
And like you said good Idea but bad idea. I was sure I wasnt the 1st guy to think of this so why arent people doin it. Now we know why.
Thanks again
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Another Visa Question.
I have seen asked here which takes less time the K1 or K3. My question is which one qets approved most often? I am not against staying in China waiting for approval so a few extra months does not matter to me but I would like to apply for the one that has the better chance of approval. Any opinions?
Pineau
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Pineau , I would think the Wife Visa would the best choice . Because it's due to having more of a Proof of the Relationship , especially if you live with her or making many Trip's to be with her . Plus her Family can join in the Wedding Ceremony .
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Pineau,
If you are goint to stay in China until the completion of the visa process then the wife one is the best to apply with.
If your like many and come to China and marry and then go back those are more scrutinized by ICE because of all
the arranged ones for money. Those usually take the longest and have a higher chance of disapproval according to
a freind i know who does this for a living in Guangzhou at the consulate. There has been a recent run on these he
said as many people are making money from this. If the questions are not answered in a certain way by the lady
then it gets denied. He was telling me that according to their stats 6 out of 10 are either fake or dont work out as
planned when the person arrives in the states.
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You saying that Ted , I was offered A$40,000 to marry one lady some 2 years ago , I hit the delete button pretty quickly even though on cam she was very pretty and we had been chatting for a while , so yes it certainly does go on , regards Robert .
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K1 takes less time. No doubt about it.
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K1 takes less time. No doubt about it.
Yes , but the K3 has the higher chance for the Visa approval and will cost you less at the end .. planning to Marry outside of China .
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One other thing I would add. Do you not think that immigration in countries like USA and Canada do not have people reading this and every other similar forum and expat forum.
I know certain words in forums and bloggs are sent by alerts to the 'listener' in GCHQ in Gloucester. Every phone call made through the UK is treated the same as internet. But on forums they have our photo's to go with other details that we may have provided!
The walls have ears, we are not alone within this forum.
So be careful of what you say and even think on these ematters in 'public'.
Willy
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Good point Willy . Now let them LAZY a** Bastard's get of their Sofa and DO something . Oh now it reminds me what Qing and I were talking about last night " China Schooling vs. US Schooling " . That is a nice damn ONE WAY street for the US Citizen . I'm sick of this BS . 42 year old with College Degree ( but in China/Japan ) not good enough HERE ? What do they want ? Them going back to School and start it all over .. ?
When I came here at 16 yrs. with Highschool done and two years College , these Bastard's actually wanted to put me back in School ( 10th grade ) . By my Tone , you can tell .. I was quite Insulted by this then . But , have School here and your welcome in China . If I was in the Chinese Gov . this is the fiorst thing .. I would put an end to . You except ours or get lost with yours .
Arrrrrh ...
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Like the school system is so great here? :o
Hey Arnold here's something you'll enjoy. When I went to the last school for the accounting, I had a van that needed a new master brake (ABS). They had an auto shop there that was a two year course. Speaking with some of the students (in their 20's) they said bring the van down and talk with the teacher. Well I took a short cut and just went over to talk with him. Gave him the run down of what was needed and he said they couldn't fix it there? HUH!?!? Turns out they don't teach or have any equipment for ABS brakes?
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Well, this post is probably a bit late, but...
My wife converted from a student visa (visiting scholar) to permanent residency in the States. There was no requirement to leave, but you do need advance parole to travel outside of the country while you wait for the change in status.
And, her Chinese degrees are very much recognized here, both to qualify as a physician and by universities. No problem at all. Residencies are not recognized and she decided she did not want to do all of that again, so she went back to school. All her prior coursework was recognized and credited, so she was able to skip the undergraduate coursework required other than taking sociiology, psychology and Freshman english (as they were not taught in China).
Immigration told me that finacee visas were fastest and best route for us, but for that she would have had to leave the country to apply for the visa.
We did all the paperwork ourselves and had no trouble getting approved. We did need to show pictures and have a couple of letters from people who knew us, but it was no big deal. I assume the fact that my wife was well educated and brought over by a prestigious university may have helped, but the process was quite straightforward, if time consuming.