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All About China => Your trip to China => Topic started by: JimB on November 25, 2009, 12:31:29 pm

Title: Current Airline Fares
Post by: JimB on November 25, 2009, 12:31:29 pm
I am going back to China in February.  In looking around for fares, I have found once again, www.uschinatrip.com to be by far the cheapest.  $798 from Atlanta to Beijing all taxes included.  Anyone know of any place cheaper?

Jim & Gina
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: davidaquincy on November 25, 2009, 04:44:22 pm
Wow Jim that is a pretty good price. I was looking a little over a month ago to fly back Feb 5 - Feb 20th. When I was looking best price I got was right around 1000.00 Should have booked it then because 3 days later it went to over 3000.00. Now I am flying to Hong Kong instead for 950 for same time frame. My flight was from Denver to Beijing. This was all through expedia. FLying UNited cause after this trip will almost have 2 full round trips free.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: maxx on November 25, 2009, 11:57:51 pm
Jim I looked at the places I buy tickets.I couldn't even come close to the price you wrote.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Martin on November 26, 2009, 01:22:09 am
Jim...that is a great price...especially considering Spring Festival is in February this year.  I would grab that ticket price if I were you.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Irishman on November 26, 2009, 01:39:19 am
What i wanna know is there going to be anyone left here in Febuary! Seems like every other member (myself included) wants t be there for the Chinese new year celebrations!
Flight pricing is hard to understand, If i fly out on a Wednesday its about €120 more expensive than if I go on a Thursday, can't figure that out at all.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 02:32:01 am
Buying air tickets is like buying shares, whatever price you pay, there will be higher and lower prices in the days that follow, but you will only notice the prices that are lower than what you paid for. Air tickets come and go. Best is to just take your time and then buy when you see a good price. Sometimes you can get lucky and get a great price. I just think buy your ticket and then don't give it another thought

I'm just hoping the Aussie dollar stays at the overinflated price it is at the moment . . . then when I get back, it go down the gurgler, down where it belongs . . . *laughs*
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Chong on November 26, 2009, 11:25:01 am
What Sarge failed to mentioned is that he's flying with "Pterodactylus Airlines" ... the same one that Fred Flintstones uses.  :icon_cool:
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: David5o on November 26, 2009, 11:38:59 am
Ronan,

I've been flying overseas long haul and short haul flights most of my working life, and i have never been able to work out even a near calculation for putting bums on seats. I have seen the cost of a seat go up and down for the same flight over the course of a single week, virtually every day a different advertised price.....

Last month i received a special price offer from BA for flights for UK to Larnaca.... The special price was 167 Euros one way!!!! I wrote back on this particular occasion, asking them why i would want to pay 167 Euros each way, to fly to Larnaca, when i could fly to Hong Kong on a five star airline for around 70 Euros more. Needless to say i haven't received an answer, and probably never will.....

In the past, you could save money on flights by pre booking several months in advance, now you would be a complete fool to do that. I now only start looking maybe 3 to 4 weeks prior to when i plan to fly, and sometimes 1 or 2 weeks. So long as your open to fly on any day and at any time, you can save some serious money on the internet and or bucket shops!!

Whatever way you do it and no-matter how much you end up paying for your flight, ....you will never find out the how and why that particular flight you booked came up with the price you paid !!!!  It will always remain one of those life's mysteries...lol!!!


David.......
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Buzz on November 26, 2009, 07:57:39 pm
Jim, I paid $800 from Greensboro,  Flight thru NYC.  I made it fine, it took my luggage an extra 4 days to catch up to me.  Air China is paying $600 RMB for the inconvience.  The best part was that the airline seats they quoted were the ones I received.  Overall great service.  buz

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I am going back to China in February.  In looking around for fares, I have found once again, www.uschinatrip.com to be by far the cheapest.  $798 from Atlanta to Beijing all taxes included.  Anyone know of any place cheaper?

Jim & Gina
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Willy The Londoner on November 27, 2009, 05:28:30 am
Going of the thread a little - this weekend will be my seventh flight between London and Hong Kong  since June - that is 4 flights to Hong Kong and three back to the UK.  So far  I have flown with Qatar,  Jet Airways and Cathay Pacific and this weekend I travel again with Qatar.

My ratings so far are that Jet Airways was first as far as I am concerened because it had the most comfortable seats and the Main meal was made better with real cutlery!!!  Only draw back was the security at Mumbai but probablyu understandable after what happened there a year ago.  But on both journies there was always someone to meet you at the terminal and to take you to where your transit plane was loading.

Cathay Pacific - dearest of the three but was a direct flight both ways.  Nothing special to report either way - probably no draw backs and on one flight I had both seats to my self and on the other the other seat was taken by a young woman in very short shorts - for for 13 hours I had to watch where my hands went to when I was asleep!!!

Qatar - advertised as the worlds five star airline.  Maybe for first class pasengers but the economy classes were pretty basic and the seats were not that comfortable.  Going back with them on Sunday!! - maybe not to busy as today is the last day of the Hag in Mecca.  But when you check in online their system is not the easiest.   And you have to be careful that you do not end up with a seat position that you do not really one want but was allocated you cannot change it.

So my first choice is Jet Airways, then Cathay Pacific then Qatar Airways.  

Willy
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: brett on November 27, 2009, 08:20:46 am
Cathay Pacific are great. Air China sucked a bit - my seat was broken and the choice of movies was terrible. We didn't even get free toothbrushes! They had the best air hostesses I've ever flown with though, so it wasn't all bad :icon_cheesygrin:.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Voiceroveip on January 15, 2010, 03:50:36 pm
Hmmm just found that, I took Air France to SH previously (flights are ok but ground service is terrible), Swiss and Cathay on the last 2 trips to HK, next one is Qatar ... I thought they would be better than Cathay. Swiss is quite good by the way, real cutlery as well, very efficient and comfortable, I'm not a small guy and slept no problems on both flights.

I'm paying 520€ for the round trip to HK, last month I paid 820 but it was a last minute more or less with Cathay, Swiss charged me around 500€.

Somebody was complaining about the small price difference between long haul and short haul ... check your tichets and look at the taxes, you'll be surprised what certain airports charge per passenger!

Frank
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Willy The Londoner on January 15, 2010, 09:46:20 pm
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Hmmm just found that, I took Air France to SH previously (flights are ok but ground service is terrible), Swiss and Cathay on the last 2 trips to HK, next one is Qatar ... I thought they would be better than Cathay. Swiss is quite good by the way, real cutlery as well, very efficient and comfortable, I'm not a small guy and slept no problems on both flights.


Frank. Are you changing planes in Doha on that next flight with Qatar?

Your right about the airport taxes. London Heathrow and Hong Kong taxes are more expensive that the flight itself most of the time!

Willy
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: zook144 on January 15, 2010, 11:11:16 pm
I'm trying to find reasonable flights to Beijing from the States (around DC) Seems they are raising the prices every day.  Guess i should have booked a few weeks ago.  Things seemed cheaper then.   But nooooo...I figured they would go down, but they are headed up instead.  Story of my life.  haha

Don
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Voiceroveip on January 16, 2010, 06:26:08 am
Yes Willy, I almost tried to stop over to visit Doha for the day and experience some heat ... next time maybe! Paris taxes are crazy too!

Frank
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Vince G on January 16, 2010, 09:21:46 am
Don, about a month ago I was checking what flights was avail. at what price. At first they were coming in at double the amount ($3000.) as I narrowed it down some the prices got better down to $1500 +/-. I think if you pick the right days and flight you'll find what you want. From the DC area? If it's a multi stop flight (DC to LA to Beijing) it will be a higher price and longer flight. I looked into leaving from NY. I can fly there from here (3 hr) under $200. and get a flight from there straight to Beijing. Less hours flying and less $$. You just have to find the right combination to it.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Willy The Londoner on January 16, 2010, 10:37:32 am
Flying by Qatar, they have this thing about coming round and taking the blankets away about an hour before you land and this was well before the latest security scare.  I cover myself put the seatbelt over it and they never take it.  

But at least you get the heat walking down of the plane onto the tarmac and onto the bus.  If you have not been that route before then you cannot take any water through the security to get into the airport transit area.

I got a good price from Air France once - Flying Heathrow to Paris then onto HK - but the arrival time in HK did not suit me.  

Willy
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Voiceroveip on January 16, 2010, 12:51:10 pm
Same wit Cathay, silly departure which makes you lose the afternoon in France, and then arrival really early in Hong Kong. Lucky my hotel accepted me early, I arrived there before 10:00am and really wanted a shower.

Hehe so I can add a 33rd country to my list of visited destinations, or does a 3 hour transit not count? :D

So you record Willy? I used to be a studio sound engineers in my younger years, actually had my own 24 track studio in the early 90's and did a lot of freelance.

Frank
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: zook144 on January 17, 2010, 11:55:36 pm
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Don, about a month ago I was checking what flights was avail. at what price. At first they were coming in at double the amount ($3000.) as I narrowed it down some the prices got better down to $1500 +/-. I think if you pick the right days and flight you'll find what you want. From the DC area? If it's a multi stop flight (DC to LA to Beijing) it will be a higher price and longer flight. I looked into leaving from NY. I can fly there from here (3 hr) under $200. and get a flight from there straight to Beijing. Less hours flying and less $$. You just have to find the right combination to it.

Well, I finally made reservations for Beijing in March. After much searching and cussing (yes I do that occasionally) I found what I guess is a reasonable price. And times and layovers are right. I went with United out of Roanoke to Chicago to Tokyo, then into Beijing. Coming back is straight Beijing to Chicago. Not overly happy because I wanted to go with Delta or their group, but they wanted to put me on flights with only a 50 minute layover in Tokyo. I even called a Delta rep and asked if that was a reasonable time to change planes and everything. she said "probably not". Now tell me, why offer this if it is unreasonable. And other flights had 11 to 14 hours layovers. so I went with United. Maybe it will all work out. And I got aisle seats, which I almost have to have. 13 or 14 hours all cruched up in a window seat is not for me. And business or first class are way out of sight for me. So i have written all the details to my lady and hopes it makes her happy. Now she will know I am actually coming to visit. I think that was bothering her a bit.
Oh yea, the cost 1190 USD plus I purchased the INS for $65.  After all I am flying United. haha
I'll start a thread when it gets closer to trip time. Hopefully it will be a successful adventure this time.
Don
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: mustfocus on January 18, 2010, 12:17:05 am
50 minutes is definitely not enough for a transit....2 hours is minimum (give or take 15 minutes).  Narita isn't bad in terms of efficiency (although the airport is a bit dated and I haven't been there in about 8 or 9 years)...  If you can, I would pack some sandwiches or  keep some of the sandwiches from the flight from Chicago to Tokyo... Narita (and Japan in general) is expensive.  Not much you can do about liquids.  The bottleneck you will have is Chicago...I've been stuck there for 4 hours the last time I was there...

Take a laptop (or netbook) with you if you can.  If you get stuck in Tokyo (unlikely, but if you get really delayed in Chicago, you may miss your flight), then at least you can contact your lady and let her know.

Anyway, good luck, enjoy yourself and remember take lots of pictures... :icon_biggrin:
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Martin on January 18, 2010, 01:00:01 am
And if you are a smoker, there are smoking rooms at Narita.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: zook144 on January 18, 2010, 01:13:41 am
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50 minutes is definitely not enough for a transit....2 hours is minimum (give or take 15 minutes).  Narita isn't bad in terms of efficiency (although the airport is a bit dated and I haven't been there in about 8 or 9 years)...  If you can, I would pack some sandwiches or  keep some of the sandwiches from the flight from Chicago to Tokyo... Narita (and Japan in general) is expensive.  Not much you can do about liquids.  The bottleneck you will have is Chicago...I've been stuck there for 4 hours the last time I was there...


Thanks for the advice on the sandwishes. And yes, I hate Chicago. At least the airport. Been stuck there and flights cancelled and the whole bit. Just hoping because its an international flight and looks like it is about all booked, there won't be much delay. I have about a 3 hour layover in Narita, so that should be no problem. Never been there, but I should be able to figure that out.

And Martin...won't need the smoking room. Kicked that a long long time ago.  I'll just sit out and watch the pretty ladies and wait for my flight.:icon_wink:  (I wonder if you can get arrested for taking pictures of pretty ladies in the Tokyo airport?)
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: ttwjr32 on January 18, 2010, 02:44:20 am
chicago is and always was a nighmare for me always and
 cold count on a delay there even on sunny days
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: kenny on January 20, 2010, 02:41:10 pm
Hi Don,

Good luck on your trip i hope things work out good for you this time. You did better than me on the cost of ticket. Twelve hundred is about what mine was in August but this time the same flight was just under nineteen hundred. I think maybe i got screwed a little bit. Will be watching for your thread.

Kenny
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: zook144 on January 20, 2010, 05:18:28 pm
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Hi Don,

Good luck on your trip i hope things work out good for you this time. You did better than me on the cost of ticket. Twelve hundred is about what mine was in August but this time the same flight was just under nineteen hundred. I think maybe i got screwed a little bit. Will be watching for your thread.

Kenny


Let's see....Is it Shenyang you are going to? I think that is where you went, right? When are you going this time? That does seem like quite a bit of cash, but maybe because its not one of the larger cities.  ha  Like its not large enough.  Didn't you get engaged last time? As you can tell my memory "has left the building"!!  Good luck on your trip!
Don
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Voiceroveip on January 20, 2010, 05:42:17 pm
Actually internal flight in China can be quite cheap, round trips between USD 100 to 250 depending on the distance, if you book a little early that is.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: David5o on January 20, 2010, 05:54:54 pm
Frank,

There are always normally discounts available on domestic flights in China, but you will never find out about them on your own. So always best to get your lady to do any bookings of internal flights. Those discounts can be often in the region of 25% off advertised air fares. Same applies to train fares.

Now don't expect any discounts to be available during February, and especially the closer you get to there New year and after, or during any other National holidays/festivals.

David....
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Philip on January 20, 2010, 06:37:52 pm
April seems to be an expensive time to go to China. Not as bad a February, but after a few weeks of seeing some bouncing prices, I have found a good price. £450 - London to Guangzhou, 4th-17th April. China Eastern airlines via Shanghai. I will then catch a high-speed train to Changsha.
This will work out quite a bit cheaper than to fly to Changsha, because the prices to Changsha stubbornly don't want to come down from about £650.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: David5o on January 20, 2010, 06:53:44 pm
Philip,


Cathay are doing a special at the moment that i'm sure covers your schedule. the price is 499 GBP It's the same price for 15 other cities in China. I'm sure the extra 50 quid is worth it, considering just how long your going to be on that high speed train, that's afair old distance from Shanghai. Plus the fact you won't have a better flight to HK than on Cathay Pacific. Well worth thinking about it!

Also checkout '' cheapflights.co.uk ''  I've had a lot of good deals in the past with these people. also check out other options via HK that sometimes works too....

David....
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: kenny on January 20, 2010, 07:15:29 pm
Yes Don going to Shenyang again on the 12th for a couple weeks. I am staying at a hotel called IBIS this time, about half as much as Grand Century that we stayed at. I will let you know what it is like, i hope the carpets are cleaner. I have never heard of them before. Linda and i are engaged now and applied for an engagment visa in October. I would love to get down south to were the guys are meeting but not sure yet. Frank wrote that internal flights are cheap there i might have Linda check on that.
Kenny
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Voiceroveip on January 20, 2010, 07:29:43 pm
Kenny, Ibis is a French chain !? Sort of lower middle class in France,  should be very good in China though.

Have a look for internal flights here (http://www.ctrip.com)
Frank
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Philip on January 20, 2010, 07:46:57 pm
Thanks David for the info.
I'm going to Guangzhou via Shanghai.
The train from Guangzhou to Changsha is only 2 hours and 20 minutes, and is 327 yuan.
I check cheapflights all the time, but Cathay always seems to be expensive. I wish I could find a flight to Changsha for £499. Anyway, I've already booked it. I know what you say about waiting for cheaper tickets, but I think I got a pretty good deal.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Martin on January 20, 2010, 11:17:33 pm
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The train from Guangzhou to Changsha is only 2 hours and 20 minutes, and is 327 yuan.

Are you sure about the travel time on this?  I took the train from Changsha and Guangzhou, and it took me 7 hours I think it was.  Unless this is one of those high speed trains.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: mustfocus on January 20, 2010, 11:26:38 pm
I know that there was a new high-speed rail link from Guangzhou, but I don't remember where the other end of it is.  This was in the last 2-3 months.  It's a D class (the really fast ones that go 300+kph).  You probably rode the K or T series.

Now if we could only find cheap tickets from Toronto to China...  Closest we get is C$1030 to Shanghai and Beijing ATM (and I don't remember if that's including the airport taxes).
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Voiceroveip on January 20, 2010, 11:35:33 pm
There is a bullet train from Guangzhou to Wuhan, it goes through Changsha in 2h20, makes Wuhan in less tha 4 hours.

Does anyone know if tickets can be bought online?
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Martin on January 20, 2010, 11:37:03 pm
I found a ticket for late March out of Toronto going to Hong Kong.  Return is $944 on Continental.  Not the best airline, but the best price so far.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: mustfocus on January 20, 2010, 11:45:22 pm
Direct?  Or transiting through Detroit?  Not to offend anyone, but if I can avoid going through the US on my way to and from Asia, I prefer to do it that way.  If it's not the jams, it's the attitude of the border guys going through the airport.

$944 is a good price.  I was quoting AC specials.  Maybe I should call up my travel agent and see what she has on tap.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Martin on January 20, 2010, 11:50:24 pm
I was looking at www.expedia.ca  I believe that flight was one stop in Newark.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Arnold on January 21, 2010, 12:21:27 am
Frank , For my last Feb. Trip ... I check all the D-Train Ticket's Shanghai to Beijing and back . I could not for dear life , buy them over the internet . Had to wait till I was in Shanghai and then ... got the return Ticket's in Beijing a few day's ahead of leaving Beijing .
( ps : The D-Trains do not go 300+ kph , ( 200-220 tops ) the Bullet Train does though ).
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Philip on January 21, 2010, 01:56:30 am
Yes, I am talking about the high -speed train. I took it in December. It goes about 350 kph.l There was no problem getting a ticket on the day. It is too expensive for most Chinese people.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Willy The Londoner on January 21, 2010, 02:53:45 am
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Yes, I am talking about the high -speed train. I took it in December. It goes about 350 kph.l There was no problem getting a ticket on the day. It is too expensive for most Chinese people.


I don't suppose it stops at Hengyang does it Phillip.  I am going there soon.

But then I suppose Hengyang is a bit like Barrow in Furness - no one goes there except for emergencies!!!!

Willy
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: ttwjr32 on January 21, 2010, 03:43:52 am
i dont know Willy on travel cities there looks to be a lot there to see and do
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Voiceroveip on January 21, 2010, 06:15:23 am
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I don't suppose it stops at Hengyang does it Phillip.  I am going there soon.

But then I suppose Hengyang is a bit like Barrow in Furness - no one goes there except for emergencies!!!!

Willy


Hi Willy, yes it stops there. Schedule and prices can be found here (http://maxxelli-blog.com/2009/12/high-speed-train-wh-gz/)

I wonder if those trains won't be full as hell around new year, the planes sure are so I'm not sure the relatively steep price is a guarantee for a seat, or maybe in 1st class ...

Frank
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: kenny on January 21, 2010, 12:54:55 pm
Frank,

Thanks for info on flights and Ibis hotels. They told me that the rooms would be smaller so i figured not as nice as some. By the time i booked my flight allot of hotels were booked allready. As long as it is clean that is the main thing and maybe western toliet.

Kenny
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: shaun on January 21, 2010, 09:02:10 pm
JimB,

I am looking to leave from Augusta well after 5pm to arrive in Hong Kong before 6pm on the 31st.  I think the last flight out of August is at 8pm. Haven't been able to find a ticket less than $1000.00.  Do you go west coast or east coast?  I am not sure whether price or night travel is is more important.  Both is optimum.  Got any advice?
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: mustfocus on January 21, 2010, 09:27:15 pm
Go over the west coast....if you have to transit through Europe, you could encouter issues... I hear of fewer issues when you go over the Pacific...
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Voiceroveip on January 22, 2010, 04:49:38 am
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Go over the west coast....if you have to transit through Europe, you could encouter issues... I hear of fewer issues when you go over the Pacific...


What kind of issues?
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: mustfocus on January 22, 2010, 08:28:22 pm
Most of my relatives who have transited through the UK or Germany have had luggage lost (half the time) or encountered the worst attitude while transiting through their airports.

That and everything seems to be more expensive for the equivalent thing going the other way.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: David5o on January 22, 2010, 08:45:11 pm
mustfocus,  


I could probably give you half a dozen names of friends and relatives that have had luggage go missing at American airports, It's just a fact of life, these things happen everywhere!!

Now, are you trying to say here, that there is NO attitude at American Airports??
Now that's a real cracker..lol!!

The last of your comments is probably correct, after all, it is going the long way round to get to China for most Americans....

David....
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: mustfocus on January 22, 2010, 09:28:55 pm
I didn't say that the american airports are better (or canadian ones either... Pearson is run by eco-idiots...oh wait...I shouldn't say that... too late).  But none of my relatives (or myself) have lost any luggage in the last 15 years that I have gone over the pacific...  As for attitude... American custom agents living outside of the US are the worse (hey, we're neighbours and I'm sorry if I'm taking away from your web surfing time at the customs desk, but I'd like to proceed to security and then into the airport so I can catch my flight and spend money in the US)...Always grumpy.  But I have heard so many stories about UK and german customs that it's not funny.

Then again, I also have a friend who found (I think it was) german highway signs amuzing (something about farts?)...

One of my cousins who comes here often (once every year or two) has given a pass on Europe and has decided to go through the Singapore/Newark route (using the A340).  Great if you can handle an 18 or 19 hour direct flight... :icon_cheesygrin:
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Martin on January 22, 2010, 09:56:16 pm
I don't have much experience in European or American airports.  But the folks at Narita in Japan are really friendly and nice.  Canadian customs suck, since we are bashing customs agents.

On my last trip, I had my 7 year old daughter with me.  I had a letter from my ex wife stating that she knew about this trip, and gave her permission for me to take our daughter out of the country (I have joint custody...she would need my permission to do the same thing).  I also arrived at the airport equipped with the judge's order that said I have joint custody.  Leaving Canada, nobody asked me if I was allowed to take Allison out of the country.

2 weeks later, we arrived at Pearson in Toronto, and were going through customs, and the agent asked me if I had a letter.  For what I asked?  For traveling with my daughter.  Apparently I can take her out of the country, but returning to our country is another issue.  I should have told them that I kidnapped her, but after two weeks, she was driving me nuts, so i was smuggling her back into Canada.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: David5o on January 23, 2010, 04:58:32 pm
Martin,

I may be a little niaeve in these matters as i've never been through a divorce. But why would anyone ask for such a letter, i mean how would anyone know your divorced in the first place??

I've brought my Niece and Nephew over from the UK to Cyprus many times (same family last names), and the parents will come maybe a week or so later, and will go back to UK maybe a couple of weeks on, together.
I have never been asked for a letter or anything else, when they have traveled with me. Even taken them to Disneyland Paris on the Ferry crossing.

Just curious really, why anyone would ask to see a letter when you all have the same family name.... I know there have been kidnapping of children by fathers, but they are mostly foreign husbands, I take it that this has something to do with this letter thing...


David
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Martin on January 23, 2010, 06:40:05 pm
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Martin,

I may be a little niaeve in these matters as i've never been through a divorce. But why would anyone ask for such a letter, i mean how would anyone know your divorced in the first place??

I've brought my Niece and Nephew over from the UK to Cyprus many times (same family last names), and the parents will come maybe a week or so later, and will go back to UK maybe a couple of weeks on, together.
I have never been asked for a letter or anything else, when they have traveled with me. Even taken them to Disneyland Paris on the Ferry crossing.

Just curious really, why anyone would ask to see a letter when you all have the same family name.... I know there have been kidnapping of children by fathers, but they are mostly foreign husbands, I take it that this has something to do with this letter thing...


David


In Canada, when you have joint custody of a child, and you want to leave the country, you are required to have a letter from the other parent that says that you have permission to do this, as well as the court paper that shows you have joint custody.  You are correct in assuming the letter has something to do with kidnapping.

In my separation agreement, there is also a clause in there that says either parent can not stop the other parent from taking the child out of the country for a vacation, without a good cause.  Fortunately, my daughters mother is a good person, and does not give me a hard time, like some separated parents do.

I had fully expected to produce this letter and document before being allowed to leave Canada.  Even though my daughter and I share the same last name, this letter is all about making sure everyone is honest, and has good intentions.

Martin
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Voiceroveip on January 24, 2010, 05:18:54 am
The laws are the same for France (maybe all of the EU?), but nobody ever checks the letters which I don't bother about anymore ... my son will be VIP frequent flyer soon and has never had to show more than the unaccompanied minor release form the airline makes me fill out.

Frank
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: JimB on January 28, 2010, 04:43:46 pm
Next week I am leaving for my fourth trip to China.  this time I go thru Narita. Anything I should know about?  Ive always gone thru Seoul before.  I have never even been given a second glance by any security people in Korea or China.  Flying northwest airlines this time.  At least I get my air miles.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: shaun on January 28, 2010, 06:09:21 pm
Somebody help me!!!!

I have just spent an afternoon of frustration.  I registered with travelocity for a low fare alert.  About 30 minutes after it was put out I was trying to buy a ticket for $573.00.  All of the seats and dates I needed were gone and I am back to over $1000.00 again.

Will there be any more fares for end of March through 2nd weekend in April or should I buy one at $1000.00?  There were before today, $1141.00.  I want to wait but at the same time I don't want to pay $3000.00 either.

Shaun
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Philip on January 28, 2010, 06:27:58 pm
Fares go up and down. Seats get released regularly at lower prices. Airlines play the game of withholding the cheap fares and hoping they can get people to pay the expensive ones. But they know they need to fill the planes so they release cheap seats at really strange intervals.
In my case, I could only go from the 2nd April. After spending most of January looking for prices of less than £500, suddenly one appeared for £450. If I had been able to go at the end of March, it would have been cheaper. Beginning of April is UK Easter holiday time, so the prices are higher. But I got my fare from London to Guangzhou.
I would not rely on the fare alerts. I would look at the flight price comparison websites every day. Pick the price you're comfortable with (as long as it's reasonable) and be ready to pounce. For me £500 was my limit. I didn't accept prices even a few pounds over.
Don't worry. You've still got plenty of time.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: maxx on January 28, 2010, 06:35:28 pm
Shaun what Phillip is telling you is right.There is no ryme or reason for Airline fares.Your best bet is to jump on it.When the price is right for you.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: David5o on January 28, 2010, 06:48:55 pm
Shaun,

Never used Travelocity, we have it in Europe, but they always come up with silly high prices as soon as you try to book a flight!! I've often seen here on the Forum, that people in the know, tend to book with Chinatown based travel agencies in the States, so start looking in that direction. Also look at every Internet air travel site too, as well as keeping an eye on airline websites, always checkout there special/discount sections....

As Philip said, you have plenty of time yet, so don't panic!! Airlines are going through a bad patch right now, so as soon as the Chinese New Year is done and dusted, the prices will start dropping again.... So in future, and as a general rule, never choose a holiday or sporting event period, be it at home or the country your visiting, the airlines ALWAYS take advantage of these times and hack up there prices!!

David.....
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: shaun on January 28, 2010, 08:34:55 pm
Thanks Guys,

I guess I will go back through some threads and see which sites to watch.

Shaun
Quote from: 'JimB' pid='29649' dateline='1264715026'

Next week I am leaving for my fourth trip to China.  this time I go thru Narita. Anything I should know about?  Ive always gone thru Seoul before.  I have never even been given a second glance by any security people in Korea or China.  Flying northwest airlines this time.  At least I get my air miles.


Jim,

I guess I stole your thunder.   I didn't see your post and started sharing frustration and asking questions.  I'll bump it up and see if anyone responses.

Shaun
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: JimB on January 28, 2010, 08:42:32 pm
Shaun, as had been said before if you are flexible in your days and times you will get better rates.  Did you try my site?  Every time I go there, I find the best rates, but again I will fly during midweek.  I agree, set your limit and as soon as you find it, buy.  Like I said, this trip was only $875.00 from Savannah to Beijing.  I have had cheaper flights but, because of the holiday i figured that was about as good as i was going to get.  Good luck.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: shaun on January 28, 2010, 09:04:47 pm
Jim,

Yes I am hitting uschinatrip.com 3-4 times a day and we are looking at $999.00 right now, Augusta to Hong Kong.  I am not that flexible with time as I only have a 12 day window and I want to spend as many as possible with Peggy.  This summer if I can I will have a 10 week window.

Thanks,

Shaun
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Vince G on January 28, 2010, 11:07:53 pm
Quote from: 'shaun' pid='29655' dateline='1264720161'
Somebody help me!!!!

I have just spent an afternoon of frustration.  I registered with travelocity for a low fare alert.  About 30 minutes after it was put out I was trying to buy a ticket for $573.00.  All of the seats and dates I needed were gone and I am back to over $1000.00 again.

Will there be any more fares for end of March through 2nd weekend in April or should I buy one at $1000.00?  There were before today, $1141.00.  I want to wait but at the same time I don't want to pay $3000.00 either.

Shaun

Dump your cookies, and I don't mean vomit. :huh:  If you were on a site and found something, left the site and came back to buy? Most sites (esp. electronics) know your back and the price goes up. It's there way of making you spend the first time. The tattle tale is in the cookies.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: maxx on January 29, 2010, 12:11:10 am
Vince is right.They know when your there.


JimB Narita isn't a problem.Nice airport.Talk to the Japanese Girls.There almost as much fun to talk to as the Chinese girls
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: ttwjr32 on January 29, 2010, 02:02:43 am
i had a lot of fun at a stopover there one time quite enjoyable and still chat
with someone i met there
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: JimB on January 29, 2010, 05:57:09 pm
Thanks guys. I dont have long there just wanted to make sure there wasnt anything I should know about.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: ttwjr32 on February 01, 2010, 12:50:47 am
Shaun,

have you tried for Peggy booking the ticket here in China for you?
sometimes that is cheaper at times and can be done here for
from usa to china    something to have her look at :icon_cheesygrin:
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: mustfocus on February 01, 2010, 01:10:38 am
Ted,

Actually I was told differently.  You always want to book from departure country if at all possible.  However it's been stated a couple of times that if you're going to China, go down to your local chinatown and see what the chinese-specialized travel agents can get for you.

An additional side benefit is that you can usually get the travel agent to process your visa application at the same time as well.
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: ttwjr32 on February 01, 2010, 01:48:48 am
i did it once a few years ago and saved a few hundred dollars
but i had a multiple entry visa good for a year at the time so
a lady i knew booked me out of san fran
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Willy The Londoner on February 01, 2010, 08:19:18 am
I have just been looking up for flights to the UK from Hong Kong.

I can get a ticket via Doha for just over 4000 Hong Kong dollars - about 330 GBP but coming the other way it will cost over 800 GBP for the same dates.  

Willy
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: David5o on February 01, 2010, 10:05:29 am
Most, if not all airlines won't let you book a ticket from your destination, they used to be called ''inside-out' tickets'' !! The only way to buy those tickets these days is if you have an account with the airline or bona-fide agent!! I've tried several times and several different ways, but they always come back with a NO!! you have to have an open account....

David....
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: shaun on February 02, 2010, 05:08:54 am
Quote from: 'ttwjr32' pid='29970' dateline='1265003447'

Shaun,

have you tried for Peggy booking the ticket here in China for you?
sometimes that is cheaper at times and can be done here for
from usa to china    something to have her look at :icon_cheesygrin:


Ted,

Thanks for the info I will talk with her about it.

Shaun
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: Willy The Londoner on February 02, 2010, 07:32:12 am
Davids right.  I tried to get my Hong Kong to London return flight booked through my usual London agent but he said he could not do it.  Just as well as the reverse trip is much much cheaper if booked this end.

Willy
Title: RE: Current Airline Fares
Post by: ttwjr32 on February 02, 2010, 07:40:20 pm
i forgot that i had an account for business purposes when i booked mine
and it was cheaper but i havent done that for quite a few years as i have
not worked in that long