China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => The Campfire => Topic started by: rhoodtsao on December 18, 2009, 03:29:47 pm
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Does anybody know what happened to him? He took down all his posts and disappered.
rhood
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Does anybody know what happened to him? He took down all his posts and disappered.
rhood
I don't know? Something must have pissed him off? I sent a message like the first day? and heard nothing back.
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Most likely he is either on his way to Changsha, or busily preparing for his trip...I think he planned to be there by 20th December.
David
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Most likely he is either on his way to Changsha, or busily preparing for his trip...I think he planned to be there by 20th December.
David
Perhaps it is something to do with the Changsha Love Bridge Agency.
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OOOOPS !!!!!!!!.......I missed the "punch-line" that he has removed all his posts ???
Not another MLM ???????
David
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Not all of his posts have disappeared, so as Vince stated, something and/or someone has pissed him off..... Maybe it relates to a certain recent thread or threads and reputation giving??
David....
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Oh that isnt even half the story for that.
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Neil,
I think abigbutt was trying to make a point. Unfortunately to the best of my knowledge he never got to make the point.
We are the ones losing here, there is no gain when you consider the loss of him and the wisdom and knowledge he gave. I think if you had contacted him by PM and discussed your concern you would have a different opinion.
Yes he would kick butt and ask questions later. Most everyone knows he kicked mine a time or two but I was man enough to handle it. I didn't get my panties in a wad, I told him the way it was, I didn't have to but I did.
I think it would be better for those involved to make reconciliation and invite him back.
Shaun
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Meh. I thought his WW2 post in my thread was way OTT. Yes I mentioned that I thought China was gaining the upper hand against the USA as far as economics was concerned, but plenty of his fellow country men (e.g. the ticker guy) are beginning to sound the alarm bells as well.
But I marked him down for dragging up all those ancient posts, that was a wierd thing to do and I got really confused for a while :s.
I guess he'll probably come back - I seriously thought about quitting here last week but you just have to remember there is no 24 hour rule here and sometimes we don't always phrase things as we intended.
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I am getting a bit concerned by this syndrome that seems to be creeping in....
Why does anybody feel it is neccessary to actually give another Bro a down-mark or a negative reputation for something that was posted...why dont we leave that process to the Mods...they do a good job anyway and if we all start sniping at each other by way of giving and receiving negative marks...then that is the start of a slippery slope.
I had some violent disagreements with ABB...but these were restricted to PM's because I did not want such stuff in the open Forum...too counterproductive.
Brett...all of us here have got seriously pi**ed of with some of your ramblings in the past, but I for one never considered giving you a negative rating.....either I ignored your words, or posted something that I hoped would contribute to your thoughts and/or Strategy.
So I make a strong plea/request for an end to Brothers passing judgement via such practices....lets stay focussed, lets stay objective. Lets not get too thin skinned here, because one of our strengths is the ability to say what needs to be said...openly and honestly.
Leave it to the Mods to make sure that the boundaries we have set for ourselves, and the rules under which this Forum operates are managed by the people whom we trust to manage it !!!
DavidE
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Can we not ask the board of Mods or whatever it is called to do like David E suggests and let them be the ones to deduct reputation points if they think it is necessary.
Newcomers look at these ratings and bear the writings a bit more credence when they are higher - I know I did when I joined up - and maybe that person with the reputation rating can upset a few people and find his reputation in shatters because of a few childish ones that may only come on the cause trouble as has happened in teh past.
So my vote is to remove the right to give negatives and stick to the postives.
Willy
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David,
I completely agree with what you are saying but how do we keep people from leaving when they are upset like abigbutt. He is not the first and will not be the last if there isn't a better method found for handling issues like this.
I know I am not privy to all the information in this case, and I don't need to be, but I stand on what I said earlier, all parties involved should get together and resolve the issues including the mods. That may be the missing ingredient, I don't know but with the technology we have it is possible for all of them to get together and work it out.
This is the second time since I have been on this site that we have lost a person with good knowledge about China. Now he is there for an extended period and I for one would like to hear what he is going through.
Shaun
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Do we actually need this reputation thing? I've seen many other good boards wrecked by it.
Guys - if you think I post some crazy stuff then get yourself over to the official board and see the Shark's latest post, now that's a ramble and a half :icon_cheesygrin:.
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24 hour rule... 24 hour rule... 24 hour rule... 24 hour rule...
I'm trying but it is hard to...
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I personally don't care for the Reputation value. It's not an official status and anyone can have a high rating. If you don't have a high rating this doesn't mean what you write isn't interesting or worth reading.
Abigbutt had left before and came back a few days later. I pissed him off on that one. Things heated up and his posts were insulting. I deleted them and gave a warning. He didn't like this? Well? he left me no choice....
There will always be good and bad, agreements and disagreements going on in the forum. Everyone has their opinion and that's what it is.
Can't we all just get along? :icon_cool:
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I think the repitation rating needs to stay.Like Willy said when you have a new person starting.They need to know who to ask there questions to.
as far as the negitive side of it.That is a tough call.We have all seen it abused.Beigng able to give a negitive ratting probably needs to be left up to a modd or the administrator.With the administrater giving final approval or denile.
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Thre's no such thing as a "negative post" from a Bro.
We may not agree with the words, or the sentiment or the content.
But everybody who comes here must feel free to attempt to make a contribution which in some way or another must surely contribute to the overall knowlege base that is of INCALCULABLE value on our Forum.
To get a positive rep. from any of our peers is a highly welcome thing and hopefully should motivate us to think about what we write in a manner which will help everybody.
It is not ego.....that belongs in the "other place"....its a sense of belonging, of being valuable and validated.
If posts step across into abusive, offensive or other less desirable outcomes, then let the mods deal with it as they have done in the past.
It is not smart to have newbies (or oldies for that matter) being reluctant/nervous to post some information in case they get jumped on and get a negative rep.
Guys.....We are bigger and smarter than that !!!!
DavidE
ps...Brett, are you serious with these words ??? "I guess he'll probably come back - I seriously thought about quitting here last week but you just have to remember there is no 24 hour rule here and sometimes we don't always phrase things as we intended.
Are you saying that you go to the time and trouble to write a post and then blast it off without some thought that it does or does not mean what you intended it too ??
There does not need to be a 24 hr rule for posts...just read through what you write BEFORE you hit the "post reply" button. Then you wont EVER post something that does not mean what you intended it too....its not rocket science :icon_cheesygrin:
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I think Chet Sams knows something the rest of us don't, going by his thread post *7
David......
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My two cents: only moderators should be able to impose negative reputation points.
In some ways, repuatation points are only worth as much as the person who hands them out. If you admire and a respect a person, a reputation point from them has value.
In some ways, reputation points are trivial. But there are many things in life that to people outside the group they appear like nothing.
It is like medals to soldiers, I suppose. Outside the institution, the item is only a ribbon and a stamped piece of metal. Within the institution it had great meaning and significance.
If repuation points mean something to a good proportion of the brothers, then by all means, let's continue with the practice.
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ok a little off this subject, it has happened to me again?? i missed something before and had to
ask so i will ask this second one i missed??? MLM faked his own death????? what is all that about???
i missed that thread? can someone fill me in on that here or thru a pm. curious on this thanks
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Ted, I don't think anyone really knows about the MLM situation. What is real, what is not. I could be wrong, maybe someone knows the whole story and is not saying anything.
The abigbutt issue may turn out to be the same. I do not know if he and Chet ever met face to face since they both live in Las Vegas. They are both on their way to China or have just arrived there so it will take a while to see if there are any comments from either one... Shaun
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ok thanks shaun just was curious why someone would fake their
own death? if it is true then that is a pretty pathetic thing to do
although maybe i should have done that to my ex before the man
she remarried to finally became my hero because my buck stopped at
that wedding day
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Well since a mod killed my last post. Let me try and make it like im not attacking forum members.
TTWJR32: Yes you did miss out on some things. There were some issues with a few members and abigbutt. Words were said and things were done. Well the outcome is one less member of real info gone again. Short verse of story.
Shaun: Butt is going to be there on tues or weds china time and i will be there on the next day after. He will beat me there by one day. Lucky bastard. Hehehe. We never met face to face.
Im sure the MLM situation was a made up thing and some members were almost sucked into the con game. It happens life goes on.
So now that i have redone the posting to a better less attacked way. Some of the people that wished an answer now have a short version of it.
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I think he and some others shouldn't be so temperamental. It's a forum and people post different opinions. It's not Happy Happy land where everyone agrees and we all walk hand in hand. We don't have many rules here but if somethings going to course a flare up we have to fix it before things happen. It may seem like a personal thing but it's not.
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Well i dont think its tempermental. I think majority of this could have been prevented if it was taken to email. Like i have said many times in the past. It saves alot of headaches. But it also hides the one sidedness of the issues that unfold. And they are not always handled fairly. The flare up already happened but I was the one that recieved the warning for the attack when the original posts were still going on. So fixing it was really late. But that does not matter now.
Happy happy land. Ok. not sure why ya said that. Im sure we all know we dont all walk hand in hand. Never expected to. Thats where opinions and uniqueness comes into play.
I do understand it is a forum and people are entitled to their opinions. But can we as in everyone treat them as that. Aka recent flame war that resulted in a lot of lost info again. This is where i stress the most. Lost info.
Maybe the mods should impose some kind of basic rules to prevent this from happening over and over again. A sticky post perhaps. BUT also be aware that the mods need to follow the same rules as the members. Just because the name mods means control to the forum doesnt mean they rule it. And do not have to bide by the rules as stated.
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Rules:
http://www.chnlove.info/showthread.php?tid=791
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What Vince said is true.It is never personal.We are just trying to keep the peace.Most times it is a thankless job.With no paycheck or even a cash bonus for Christmass.
When you are a mod.On a forum such as this.All you are doing is making yourself a target.After you have deleted somebodies post after they just tried to start a fight with another member.We recieve pm from Irate members.Who's post you just deleted.Then we recieve Pm from the irate members friends.Then you have to explain yourself to the other five mods.And the administraters.
I wouldn't think this would be a issue we have over 300 members.That are supposed to act like adults.But like I was discussing with another member this mourning.This does not always happen.
To keep this from happining.What we could do.Is switch over to a forum like candleforlove web site.It is a nice web site.There only problem.Is it is all buisness.if you don't have something constructive to say.Or the exact right answer to the question posted.Your post will be deleted.No explination will be offerd.I have never got a warm welcome feeling from candleforlove.I think they pre screen all the posts to make sure that .The content is what they are looking for.
If you guys are looking for something like this.Myself and the rest of the mods along with the administrater can definatly talk about it.I don't think it would go over to well.This is one of the main reasons.That we all left chnlove.Because are posts wern't being posted.If they were posted.They would be heavly edited.To the point that the origanol poster meaning was lost in never never land.It made us all look like raving lunitcs.
So you tell us how do you want this web site to be run?
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What Vince said is true.It is never personal.We are just trying to keep the peace.Most times it is a thankless job.With no paycheck or even a cash bonus for Christmass.
Thanks Maxx -a-million and to all the other Mods also my personal check of Thanks a million.
I know as guys that sometimes we develope personal friendships with other guys and that teasingly we trash talk to our friends. I know at work and in the Army that is how I talked with precieved friends.
I wonder if here some members use the same attitude when maybe a little to soon, the respondent doesn't see the statement as verbal sparring from a friend. I remember some early posts between Chong, Martin, and Maxx where I could identify this friendly ribbing.
So maybe the right attitude is untill you can identify the persons personality and have developed a rapport, maybe the answers should be straight to the point. I rather not see blatant censorship, however small brush fires need to be controlled before a raging inferno consumes more members with priceless information.
Now touch gloves and come out swinging......Queensbury Rules :fi_lone_ranger:
Merry Christmas to all the Mods and Members - my thanks for sharring in this website. :icon_cheesygrin:
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I see that there is also a thread about Abigbutt :)
So, what I can say is that if he is not often there, anyway, he is on QQ.
Maybe doesn't he post here for many reasons, maybe not, I don't really know what can happen to everybody over here. But there are most of time some reasons that do that man can't post for a few time, or maybe more...
I think everything is doing fine for him, as for now, he must be in China again, as it was said earlier :)
Btw, how many brothers share their QQ Id' ?
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my QQ is for Nina only. Oh, and the 47 blocked spammers who seem to keep adding me. Daily.
My MSN is on my profile if anyone wants to add me and terrorize me. Fair warning, I'm always online but I'm not always online...if you get my meaning. I'm not being rude, I'm just not home sometimes. God my Dad can't get that through his head. He gets so upset when he sends me a message and I don't immediately reply.
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So you tell us how do you want this web site to be run?
My 2 cents worth............
I have a view that the Site is like a Business.
It has a Board of Directors....(the Administrator and the Mods)
It has a lot of shareholders...(the Bros)
It has a lot of workers ..(the Bros also)
It has a lot of customers...... (the Chinese Ladies we pursue)
It has be efficient and make a "profit"...(the profit is the knowlege base that makes the job of finding a Chinese wife easier and less fraught with pain and cost)
Like any Business, the workers are more or less free to get on with their jobs and get profits in any way possible that does not conflict with the Policy laid down by the Board of Directors.
To get these profits we must satisfy our customers....in many ways, (including Viagra Willy )!!!!!
The workers provide the information to: stay inside Policy, derive shareholder value, make profits and satisfy customers.
Like any Business, there will be good and bad strategy and tactics.
Provided that any strategy and tactics are focussed on providing shareholder value, customer satisfaction and profit..it is OK...provided it also stays within the Policy.
In the final crunch, it must be that the Board of Directors have the ultimate say on what is or is not appropriate in what the workers do.
Other than that...it is anarchy..which goes nowhere, never.
David
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It may be time to close this thread and move on. I would like to see Biggie come back. He isn't leaving until Tuesday so he is seeing the posts and loving it I imagine. The site should continue just like it is and everyone should consider a little correction as a normal part of life. We all need a little correcting every now and then. So when correction come we should man up and take it to heart, take what we really need and throw the rest out along with out attitudes.
I do not profess to know the whole story and won't try. Biggie if you are out there reading, I know you are upset, and I consider you a friend but man up and come back, you are not immune from being corrected either. If the mods were wrong then they are human and make mistakes. So why don't you stick around and maybe we all can make this a better place by communicating.
Shaun
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Shaun
Yes I agree, it is time to move on. I know that this thread is motivated by concern for a friend. But people coming and going is part of this place. We don't need to be upset by this movement. There are going to be a lot of people who visit and join this site that will come and go. They will go for a shorter or longer time, and some will not return at all. We should not pester people when they decide to have a break from our circle of friends. It's part of life to lose touch with some people and get in touch with others. The fact that this happens does not mean that the relationships we form here are trivial. It is like the way we think about our friends at school. The fact that we lose touch with our friends at school, does not mean that at the time we were friends at school, these relationships were not real.
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Vince: Wanna make a sticky on all the head areas persay.
Maxx: I was going to comment. But ill just blow to the wind on all this.
Rhonald: I understand the ordeal with the thrash talking among friends. Everyone does it from time to time. But when the "Friends" issue is not there. It creates what unfolded over the few days ago.
Sly: Dont worry hes eyeballing ya. Hehehehe
David E: What the. Nevermind.
Shaun: Im sure biggie sees ya. But in reality. I dont think it is worth his time to actually come back and face the whole event over again. He might
come back. But i wouldnt hold my breath on it. He was not all that impressed by the results at all.
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I don't know what this is all about, I've missed somthing somewhere, but, as your all my friends, and I respect each and every one of you and enjoy talking to you, all I can say is can't we all be friends, let this pass like water on a ducks back and get back to the orginal forum I have grown to love. By the way, tis the season to be jolly and I want to wish everyone a merry christmas. I'd have sent you all xmas cards, but the dog ate my list...anyway this will have to do. You all do a great job, no matter who you are. Never seen a forum this good anywhere.
Speaking about medals, I think you all should recieve one!
Nuff said, sit back and have some egg-nog....