China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Newbies Corner => Topic started by: mustfocus on January 09, 2010, 05:30:35 pm
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For those who have access to BBC's news services, This weekend's Reporters segment had a segment with something to do with marrying illegal immigrants. Unfortunately I only caught about 10 seconds of it before I had to take off this morning, but for anyone who has access it should repeat again sometime Sunday.
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mustfocus,
Yes, .... i saw that, it was mainly dealing with Pakistani and other TCN guys on temporary visa's, marrying East European women who's countries are now in the EU to stay permanently in the UK. The Bottom line is, .....If the immigration decide that the marriage is a Scam, (which was basically what the program report was about), then they will still have no leave to stay in the UK, and will be booted out with short shrift....
David......
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TCN guys? I'm not sure what those are (maybe I will after I try to catch Reporters tomorrow).
Either way, I think everyone would probably pick up something from the show. Things to look out for and what not to do to determine if you're getting played for citizenship abroad or actually for love.
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mustfocus,
Well TCN is basically a common term for ''Third World Countries''
Maybe, but what i remember of it, it was mainly about infiltrating Scam groups offering (for a substantial sum of cash) these guys, mainly East European Women that were prepared to be involved in these fake marriages. Some were so amateurish about applying for a marriage license that it would have been obvious to a 10 year old it was a marriage of convenience. The staff at these local registry offices then inform the immigration dept....
David....
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Hah , perfect timing , yesterday one very pretty lady 42 , but that was not her bust size , that I have been teaching English was quite open in offering me 40 thousand U.S to marry and yes live together for 5 years plus , now that is how to get into trouble , double trouble , unless I change faiths , ha ha , luckily not in my favourite city , regards Robert .
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A friend of mine went through the immigration process for his lady about 5 years ago. The Imiigration people went through his bank statements with a a fine tooth comb and there was one payment into his account of several thousand pounds. This was not mentioned at all until they went for an interview for her 'leave to remain'. At the interview they had, this amount was bought up. Luckily both the lady and he remembered it was a payment from an insurance company for a claim. But they still checked this out having received the company details. So any large payments in your statements make sure you both have the answers as to what they were for. Yes if you apply to marry in the UK to someone who does not have the leave to remain stamp in their passport the Registrar must by law report this to the Immigrations dept before the marriage takes place and the Border Force may well be waiting for them to attend the Registry office and stop any such marriage. HOWEVER to get married in a Church - which takes a little longer but a Church have no requirement to notify the authority of an impending marriage.
Most UK Churches will not marry a divorced couple.
Can a lady legally marry her father in the UK and can a man marry his mother- in- law in the UK and have children with her?
Willy
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Willy a lady tried to legally marry her father??
thats pretty sick
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Willy a lady tried to legally marry her father??
thats pretty sick
In the UK it is quite legal for a lady to marry her father. But it is more difficult for a man to marry his mother in law!!!
Willy
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Willy a lady tried to legally marry her father??
thats pretty sick
In the UK it is quite legal for a lady to marry her father. But it is more difficult for a man to marry his mother in law!!!
Willy
You've got to be kidding me.
And I thought we had some strange laws.
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You've got to be kidding me.
Look at the bright side, none of that pesky name changing business. Plus you can keep all your monogrammed personal affects.
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what is the old saying? oh yea, INCEST IS BEST, KEEP IT IN THE FAMILY...:dodgy:
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Better come clean on this one. Before we overflow the pages.
A man in the UK can only marry his mother in law or a lady her father in law if the UK Houses of Parliament approves it in both the lower and upper house.
So it needs a special act of Parliament passed to do so.
HOWEVER a lady can marry her father in Church.
There are conditions - the most important one is that she has to be an Ordained Priest and her father has to be widowed and he wants his daughter to perfom the ceremony for him and his new bride to be.
What a set of disgusting minds we have on this forum - to thing that us refined English Stock would ever consider incest!!!!!:angel:
Willy
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Willy,
It came out in that programme that the immigration can not stop any foreigner getting married in the UK. What the immigration department can do, is not recognise it for giving leave to stay in the UK if they deem it a ''Marriage of Convenience'' Seems that one of these guys took it to the European Court and won his case under the human rights category. It didn't get him very far though, the immigration waited till he put forward his application for his permanent leave to stay in the UK and promptly refused him and kicked him out back to Afghanistan for breaching his visa conditions...lol!!
David.....
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Willy,
It came out in that programme that the immigration can not stop any foreigner getting married in the UK. What the immigration department can do, is not recognise it for giving leave to stay in the UK if they deem it a ''Marriage of Convenience'' Seems that one of these guys took it to the European Court and won his case under the human rights category. It didn't get him very far though, the immigration waited till he put forward his application for his permanent leave to stay in the UK and promptly refused him and kicked him out back to Afghanistan for breaching his visa conditions...lol!!
David.....
Maybe I should correct my self on this one - If an illegal immigrants trys to marry they will turn up, stop it by taking the person off with them. But there is nothing to stop an illegal getting married in a Chuch as the church has no obligation to notify the authorities.
But you are right if the registrar has suspicions because of not knowing each others names etc they must report that and that will be recorded waiting for the inevitable leave to remain application.
Getting my illegals and marriages of convenience mixed up.
Definately back to the corner
Willy
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Willy,
Not quite what i trying to say.... Basically the law as it stands now, is that any foreigner in the UK be it they have leave to stay permanently or temporary, or they are from an EU defined country can marry, be it in a church or registry office.
What the immigration department says, if they deem that the marriage is a ''Marriage of Convenience'' (therefore trying to circumnavigate immigration rules and conditions) That marriage is deemed as a breach of visa conditions and therefore nulls that temporary Visa. They can then repatriate the offender back to his country of origin without recourse.
Some can claim that there life will be in danger if repatriated, in that case there temporary visa is extended with a notification of repatriation should conditions change in that country. The conditions also get much tighter as regards to that persons movements within the UK, and what he can and can't do without prior agreement by immigration. For example ....if that person goes on to breech any of his temporary visa conditions in the future, they will held in a closed facility until such time as conditions change in the persons country, or that person wishes to return of there own free will!!
Illegal immigrants, when caught will go directly to these closed facilities, whether married legitimately and for real in UK or not. As far as i know, the same rules then apply to them if they can prove that there life is in danger in there country of origin.... but most will be repatriated within 30 days....
David.....
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Basically, that's what came out of the BBC programme that was aired last week!!
The programme was based on revealing the mainly Asian gangs that were making money from other Asians and those from the Middle East, in Scam marriages.....
I think were the soft touch of Europe when it comes to these so called refugee's...
Why doesn't someone ever ask the question, If you are in fear of your life, why not cross over to a bordering country where your government have no control, why have you gone through umpteen countries and most countries in Europe to end up in the UK?? .....Well there is no reason, they are 99% economic refugees, that have no legal standing anywhere in the world.... How can these people be refugee's in an Island country thousands of miles away from their own country???...
It's a total Nonsense!!!
David.....
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I have always said that I would rather live in China and be a foreigner rather than live in the City where I was born and be a foreigner!!!
Willy
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What if you get married on the British Embassy in a foreign country ??? Formally you are in a British territory so you are getting married in the country.... ???????
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Correct, ....but, and there's always a but,... All the rules of that country still applies!!
I'm not sure that Embassy's even conduct marriages these days, i know long ago in the past they did, but i'm really not sure if that's the case these days..
I'm sure if that was the case, everyone here would be going down that route!! ....Wouldn't They???
David.....
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Well, speaking of all of this, it could be worse...right now in southern Italy (don't remember the city) there are daily riots because there are illegal immigrants who are just trying to make some money and the citizens are beating up on them (it's more in-depth than that, but that's the gist).
Mind you, I don't approve of either side's opinion or methods...
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i dont believe they do this anymore do to the shear volumns of
people applying
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Some information for the UK brothers - the crack down on illegal immigrants coming over on student visas has been very successful as far as the authorities are concerned, so marriages are now the focus of attention. Let's hope it doesn't become a major election issue, although I guess by the time I get married I'll be in a pretty strong position to move elsewhere anyway :icon_cheesygrin:.
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The crack down on students visa has long been overdue. Where I lived in North London I knew of at least 5 'Colleges' that only consisted of a big flash signs outside the building and nothing in it at all. And that was just one area, multiply that to all the other districts and there was a big problem. Mind you the 'student' have mainly been from the Indian subcontinent.
Marriages have always been looked at in case they are sham but, go with the system and you will not have problems although it will take a long time. Try to short cut the system and you are likely to do something to mess up an application. If everything is in order they have no reason to refuse. If they do then you have good grounds for appeal.
You know very well if it becomes an election issue the party that brings it in will be accused of many things and as the UK stands at the moment which ever party does do so will lose hundreds of thousands votes, possibly millions from the different ethnic groups in UK.
But then election issues so often fall by the wayside once a party is in power as there main concern is to tighten their position of power in the first year or two and not to upset too many influential people who matter and the average elector is not in that group.
Willy
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i just read were the USA has just started a new wing of law inforcement
in regard to human trafficking i guess that is becoming a real problem so
i wonder how that will effect everyone trying to get their lady there