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Title: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: Willy The Londoner on January 17, 2010, 10:44:11 am
Since I have been here I have lost count of the number of Counterfeit notes I have been given inhe past 6 months or so.

I have never had problem with 100 yuan notes as I only ever get these direct from the bank.

The biggest problem seems to be the 20 and 50 yuan notes.

The counterfeits get passed on by small shops and taxi mostly, and knowingly in most cases,and being foreigners we are prime targets.

I have in the past looked at forgeries and compared them to others and I have not been able to tell them apart - watermark looks the same etc.

But my Angel came back recently with a little keyring light which is in fact ultra violet.  And low and behold it shows up counterfeit notes very simply.

Get handed a 20 or 50 note by a shopkeeper or taxi driver and with the keyring in your hand it is so easy to flash it on and a fake will immediately show up.   They will check your notes when you hand them over in shops etc so check the ones you get back! - I do everytime now and in a couple of days the 2 yuan she spent on the keyring has been well paid for in detecting 1 x 50 and 2 x 20 notes that people have tried to pass onto me.  

Just tell you how it works.   Just left of centre on the Yuan Notes you will see a large figure denoting the value ie 1 5 10 20 50 100.  Shine the light over this figure and the UV light will bring up another identical figure. Simple.  

Willy
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: Voiceroveip on January 17, 2010, 10:59:45 am
Yes tha's a good tip alright, I got one fake 50 last time ... although I got an explanation about how the detect them, they do feel a litte smoother.

Frank
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: Scottish_Rob on January 17, 2010, 11:28:25 am
Its funny I heard that the Chinese can detect fakes by just touch alone...

He he I wish I had a forging machine right now...hehehe:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: Martin on January 17, 2010, 12:02:11 pm
ya...they were selling those key chain lights on the train.  Maybe I should have bought myself one.
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: mustfocus on January 17, 2010, 12:42:59 pm
I wouldn't mind getting one of those myself.  For 2Rmb, definitely a deal.
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: jeffm on January 17, 2010, 02:13:49 pm
Looks like I'll be buying one.  Thanks for the tip.

I was shown how to feel for it also.  The texture of the good ones are raised slightly, while the fakes are smooth.
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: JimB on January 17, 2010, 04:40:57 pm
Definitely thanks for the tip. I will have Gina pick one up for me.  She should have one anyway.
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: Chet Sams on January 17, 2010, 04:48:56 pm
If the light doesnt work. Heres a brief issue for it.

http://www.xian-travel.com/china-travel-guides/chinesemoney/
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: ttwjr32 on January 17, 2010, 06:19:42 pm
Willy,
havent seen these in gz lately but will keep an
eye out for them.

if you see one before you come here pick me one
up and i will pay u for it

Ted
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: shaun on January 17, 2010, 07:21:16 pm
The two stores next to me are owned my Korean women.  They use the feel method.  They taught me and so far it as worked on American money.  Problem is I have never encountered a fake one so I do not know.

Willy, I used to have a ultra violet bill detecting machine for bills that used three different tests on it.  If the lights can be used on American money I would like to get some here.  PM me if you have info on it.
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: rockycoon on January 18, 2010, 03:01:38 am
I gotta quit making them and change to a different printer....damn
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: dude on January 21, 2010, 04:40:03 am
Thanks for the info...I have noticed all store clerk's examining our 100 yuan bills...luckily we haven't had this issue but I was quickly made aware of this problem as I asked my wife about it and she showed me what to look for on the bills!
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: ttwjr32 on January 21, 2010, 09:39:17 am
i have been lucky to not recieve one yet in all the years coming here
 unless i did and was able to just keep passing it along  lucky me
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: Irishman on January 23, 2010, 05:32:23 am
You all should get your lady to show you this stuff. Sunny showed me how to detect a fake, there like about 10 different things to look for, i would never of imagined looking beyond the metallic strip in the notes.
Its quite interesting, i found a fake one in the change I got in a restaurant and Sunny got it replaced in no time flat when I showed it to her!
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: Hecker on January 29, 2010, 01:28:40 pm
You can tell the difference from a fake bill and real one just by touch. Just rub the right top side of Mao's head on the notes and if you can't feel the slight abrasion its a fake. It takes some time to know the feel but just practice with a real and fake bill and you will notice the slight difference. The watermark can be fake but the paper and press use to print the currency is totally different from a fake.
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: ttwjr32 on January 29, 2010, 07:06:06 pm
they just busted someone here with an ungodly amount of fake money
wonder what they will do to him? it was like a container full? he was on a roll
making it
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: rockycoon on January 29, 2010, 08:56:10 pm
Line him up and shoot him by Chinese law.
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: Bee964 on February 04, 2010, 12:12:27 pm
Quote from: 'Martin' pid='28475' dateline='1263747731'

ya...they were selling those key chain lights on the train.  Maybe I should have bought myself one.


So you buy this key ring checker and check the change you get from the vendor, and low and behold a fake note! That would be funny.

Dave
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: ttwjr32 on February 04, 2010, 12:36:59 pm
hey bee964,

dont rule out any possibility here as that very well
could happen  hahaha
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: Bee964 on February 04, 2010, 08:37:06 pm
Yes I know it could happen. But it still would be funny to me! I'm the type that would put that bill in a frame with an explination of how I got it and hang it up for a conversation piece. Maybe even get someone to take a picture of me with the guy and the bill for the frame too! LOL!
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: Willy The Londoner on February 04, 2010, 11:53:44 pm
Quote from: 'Bee964' pid='30344' dateline='1265333826'

Yes I know it could happen. But it still would be funny to me! I'm the type that would put that bill in a frame with an explination of how I got it and hang it up for a conversation piece. Maybe even get someone to take a picture of me with the guy and the bill for the frame too! LOL!


They would you have the picture photoshopped!!!:icon_cheesygrin:  The result could be that your 20 yuan note was transformed to a 100 and the seller could look like Jacki Chan.  

Willy
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: ttwjr32 on February 05, 2010, 02:59:44 am
thats an interesting way of what to do if it happened
Title: RE: Counterfeit Notes
Post by: Bee964 on February 05, 2010, 10:12:09 am
I have always had the philosophy that you should look on the bright side of life no matter what happens. Try to make it fun. When life gives you lemons, make lemonade. So when I get my first counterfeit note you know what I'm doing with it.

I used to have a girlfriend in grade school. Her father was a detective. She had a class project that was about counterfeit canadian bills. Her father told a story of how a man had called police about the rowdy neighbours next door. He invited them into the appartment to fill them in on his side of the story and the police noticed the machine running in the dining room. It was printing canadian $10 bills. He had been so upset with the neighbours that he totally forgot about the printer. I was in grade 8 so this was in the 60's I would guess.
Quote from: 'Willy The Londoner' pid='30372' dateline='1265345624'

Quote from: 'Bee964' pid='30344' dateline='1265333826'

Yes I know it could happen. But it still would be funny to me! I'm the type that would put that bill in a frame with an explination of how I got it and hang it up for a conversation piece. Maybe even get someone to take a picture of me with the guy and the bill for the frame too! LOL!


They would you have the picture photoshopped!!!:icon_cheesygrin:  The result could be that your 20 yuan note was transformed to a 100 and the seller could look like Jacki Chan.  

Willy


I would even photoshop it myself for that effect! Hahahaha.