China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Newbies Corner => Topic started by: Oiler1 on January 19, 2010, 05:32:35 pm
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What things are cheaper in China to buy?
I need some new eyeglasses and wonder if I bring my prescription to China, I can get a good deal?
From personal experience, I know clothes are cheaper in China. In the smaller cities things are usually cheaper than the large cities.
I looked into buying a unlocked cell phone but didn’t buy one. I should have bought one there in retrospect.
I do not know about computer related stuff but there seems to be a lot of knockoffs of iphones etc.
What bargain are there in China that you have found in your travels? Do they often have big sales there?
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I got percription glasses in Shanghai for £60 and Sissi got Percription Sunglasses for £40 , i think the price was fair for the quality but i think not really much cheaper than the UK , except of course if you wanted fake prada etc
Blueray dvds going rate is 5rmb
Wii games (need US or JAP machine (hacked)) 5mb
Designer Belts, wallets , cufflinks (fake) 35rmb approx
I thought computer gear was a little more expensive in China than the UK .. from what i saw in Shanghai and Shenzhen
Things like R/C Helicopters very cheap
Cigarettes (hate em) 90rmb 200 marlboro (from the airports(beware of fakes))
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Glasses are much cheaper ... just make sure you get good quality.
IT: I bought a 2.5" 320GB drive from Western Digital (Caviar Blue, passes the manufacurer ID and works within the specs, so no fake) with an external Hitachi housing for 400 rmb in November (lowest retail in France was 800 rmb, noname product and Toshiba drive which I dislike).
Laptops are a lot cheaper if you type on a QWERTY keyboard. I use a French keyboard so no dice.
Phones are cheaper unless you go for Nokia or Sony, prices are pretty close to the West. The iPhone knock off with wifi and 3G works better than the original (dual sim, faster cpu, longer battery life), I saw them for 850rmb all over the place ... and for additional software, please go to iTunes :D :D, and I kid you not, the phone has the original iPhone 3GS operating system, decent cameras too (front and back).
Clothes are cheap but brand clothes are knock-offs, same for shoes, althought I wonder if they're not the original brand shoes? They're really well made (Eider and co...), I'll get a couple of pairs next time.
If you have kids, spy pen with USB camera, records 4 hours, 110rmb, or key ring camera looks like a car remote with ccd quality, about 250. Dirt cheap MP3 and MP4's. Little RC helicopters in all variations from 150 to 550 for the mother of RC helicopters, I wish the carton was a bit smaller though. PSP games (knock offs, they work), Blu Ray movies for 25rmb which work (only 720p or aven lower), all kinds of Wii/PS2/PS3 Xbox etc accessories, I do have a problem with a PS3 gamepad which won't work with ours, so be careful or better try it if possible. Oh and kids clothes of course.
As a Laowai you will always be quoted a high price, so you're in charge of the "sales". Negotiate tough but always with a smile. The more expensive a store looks, the more expensive it is, so avoid the large luxury malls if you're bargain hunting.
In Shenzhen for electronics, take the metro to Hua Qiang Lou, follow the crowd (I believe exit A, but follow the crowd if Im wrong) and once you surface in the street, you'll get to a huge shopping artery by turning left. On the opposite side of the road is big building (almost sky scraper) labeled LGS or something like that. In there you have 6 or 8 huge floors of electonics. The competition makes prices low, and floors are specialized by type of product. The ground floor has electronic components, but as you take the escalators, you will find anything you want. Prices will be straight off among the best, not like with isolated shops. One recommendation, decide before going what you want to buy, window shopping will take up most of your time in China there, they have a lot and it's displayes randomly. THey have digital translators of course, sorry I don't remember which floor, and you'll see the floors are quite big as well, so happy hunting.
For clothes, still coming out of the metro follow the crowds onto the main shopping artery. After on block on that street on the left, there is a hall with little shops in front. It's a discount clothes market, huge and good deals (not the stuff in open air, go inside, don't be scared).
Once you're tired, there is a starbucks on the same side a bit further away :D
There is another big shopping area more for clothes and apparel (no large sizes) called Dongmen street, get out at Lao Jie stop and follow the signs for Dongmen. When you get out, memorize your surroundings or you will never find the metro again, the area is huge. As usual, follow the crowds.
Last one would be Luoho Commercial center, Luoho metro station, huge building with all the brand knock-offs you can imagine, + toys and electronics, gifts and much more. I did not like the atmosphere there, and prices start ver high, bargain to at lest 50% and leave if they don't play. Sunglasses should be 80-150 rmb max for instance.
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Blueray dvds going rate is 5rmb
5rmb for DVDs or Bluray?
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Bluerays in Shanghai 5rmb .. in the shops i was looking at .. it was frustrating because i wanted normal DVDS but they didnt have them , Sissy bought herself a few.
Are the DVDS / BLUERAYS usually good quality ???
the Wii games i would say 7/10 work from experience but at 5rmb cant complain [/u]
Glasses are much cheaper ... just make sure you get good quality.
IT: I bought a 2.5" 320GB drive from Western Digital (Caviar Blue, passes the manufacurer ID and works within the specs, so no fake) with an external Hitachi housing for 400 rmb in November (lowest retail in France was 800 rmb, noname product and Toshiba drive which I dislike).
Laptops are a lot cheaper if you type on a QWERTY keyboard. I use a French keyboard so no dice.
Phones are cheaper unless you go for Nokia or Sony, prices are pretty close to the West. The iPhone knock off with wifi and 3G works better than the original (dual sim, faster cpu, longer battery life), I saw them for 850rmb all over the place ... and for additional software, please go to iTunes :D :D, and I kid you not, the phone has the original iPhone 3GS operating system, decent cameras too (front and back).
Clothes are cheap but brand clothes are knock-offs, same for shoes, althought I wonder if they're not the original brand shoes? They're really well made (Eider and co...), I'll get a couple of pairs next time.
If you have kids, spy pen with USB camera, records 4 hours, 110rmb, or key ring camera looks like a car remote with ccd quality, about 250. Dirt cheap MP3 and MP4's. Little RC helicopters in all variations from 150 to 550 for the mother of RC helicopters, I wish the carton was a bit smaller though. PSP games (knock offs, they work), Blu Ray movies for 25rmb which work (only 720p or aven lower), all kinds of Wii/PS2/PS3 Xbox etc accessories, I do have a problem with a PS3 gamepad which won't work with ours, so be careful or better try it if possible. Oh and kids clothes of course.
As a Laowai you will always be quoted a high price, so you're in charge of the "sales". Negotiate tough but always with a smile. The more expensive a store looks, the more expensive it is, so avoid the large luxury malls if you're bargain hunting.
In Shenzhen for electronics, take the metro to Hua Qiang Lou, follow the crowd (I believe exit A, but follow the crowd if Im wrong) and once you surface in the street, you'll get to a huge shopping artery by turning left. On the opposite side of the road is big building (almost sky scraper) labeled LGS or something like that. In there you have 6 or 8 huge floors of electonics. The competition makes prices low, and floors are specialized by type of product. The ground floor has electronic components, but as you take the escalators, you will find anything you want. Prices will be straight off among the best, not like with isolated shops. One recommendation, decide before going what you want to buy, window shopping will take up most of your time in China there, they have a lot and it's displayes randomly. THey have digital translators of course, sorry I don't remember which floor, and you'll see the floors are quite big as well, so happy hunting.
For clothes, still coming out of the metro follow the crowds onto the main shopping artery. After on block on that street on the left, there is a hall with little shops in front. It's a discount clothes market, huge and good deals (not the stuff in open air, go inside, don't be scared).
Once you're tired, there is a starbucks on the same side a bit further away :D
There is another big shopping area more for clothes and apparel (no large sizes) called Dongmen street, get out at Gang Xia stop and follow the signs for Dongmen. When you get out, memorize your surroundings or you will never find the metro again, the area is huge. As usual, follow the crowds.
Last one would be Luoho Commercial center, Luoho metro station, huge building with all the brand knock-offs you can imagine, + toys and electronics, gifts and much more. I did not like the atmosphere there, and prices start ver high, bargain to at lest 50% and leave if they don't play. Sunglasses should be 80-150 rmb max for instance.
(http://www.szcpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/600px-shenzhen-metro.png)
Blueray dvds going rate is 5rmb
5rmb for DVDs or Bluray?
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just about everything is cheaper in China if you look around.
but you do have to be aware of fakes. you can negotiate the
price and do it having fun and you usually get the price changed.
one thing i have noticed is that computers are about the same here
and you really dont get that negotiated.
also keep in mind to ask for your gift when you buy something.
just ask what will you send and they go to the back and bring
out all kinds of stuff. example: when i bought my scanner/printer
i got a package of photo stock
paper, 2 packages of paper,
and a towel? didnt get the towel
as to why that but it was 4 gifts
Ted
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Are the DVDS / BLUERAYS usually good quality ???
the Wii games i would say 7/10 work from experience but at 5rmb cant complain
Ok I got Laowai'd then hehe, by the way the iPhone 3GS fake was a non negotiated price.
The DVD's are usually single layer, they work but the quality is not as good as the originals. The Bluray I got (Cloverfield) to try was very good and played both on PS3 and a Samsung player, I think it was 480p but quality was way better than a normal (official) DVD, will get a bunch next time, although all extra features and bonuses will be missing :D
Wii games you can download, there is a SD card crack hack which you can easlily do yourself, so I didn't bother. But at 5rmb it's really not worth the download wait I guess.
Oh and they have knock-off PSPs for less than 400 rmb, but they don't have wifi.
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I really need a cell phone. Should I buy in Hk or Shenzhen? The iphone 3GS seems like a good deal. Is it useable in North America?
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The best bargin by far is getting a Chinese wife. They are priceless and hold their value. Good Will Hunting for that priceless Gem :heart:
Now where did I put that two-for-one coupon :huh:
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The fake iphone only cost 300RMB in Luohu commercial center, my friends bought for her seven years old daughter .
And it was broken after two weeks.
The good quanlity blue ray disk is put into a hard plastic box and cann't be lower than 25RMB,But you still can find they are some blueray disk which pack simply only sell 10RMB,It is not bad also
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i buy the 10 rmb blue rays and they work great
chen-- only good for 2 weeks?? wow thats not good
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I found that genuine brand name clothes and electronic goods are more expensive in China (Wuhan) than you can get in Australia. My daughter only wanted genuine goods and so she ended up taking her spending money home with her and spending it back in Melbourne.
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Generally I didn't think China was that cheap. DVDs were cheap. Blue Rays were also cheap, but the ones I bought were actually DVDs!
Jade was expensive. Green Tea was expensive (but worth it).
Clothes were cheap, but not that much cheaper than home. Do not take your lady into a designer boutique :s.
The tourist stalls on our boat trip were quite expensive and sold absolute junk. My lady ordered me not to buy anything in the 3 Gorges Dam gift shop.
I bought a talking calculator in a Wuhan supermarket. It was cheap but I can't understand its dialect :icon_cheesygrin:.
If you want a wierd gift to take home, get some of those cucumber flavour potato chips :s.
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The fake iphone only cost 300RMB in Luohu commercial center, my friends bought for her seven years old daughter .
And it was broken after two weeks.
The good quality blue ray disk is put into a hard plastic box and cann't be lower than 25RMB,But you still can find they are some blueray disk which pack simply only sell 10RMB,It is not bad also
Wow 2 weeks? The one with wifi, EDGE, 3G, HDSPA, capacitative screen and all? There are all kinds of versions of that copy. The one I saw looked well made, it reminded me of CECT phones which work well by enlarge, and there was a good review of it somewhere, I can't find it again ... there is also a version with TV but without Wifi.
For a phone to work in the US, it has to be CDMA compatible. Most sellers will know how to advise you.
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Name brand electronics...camera's, laptops, are the same price or more expensive compared to prices in the U.S...more often on the expensive side...I found this in Wuhan, Shenzhen, Hong Kong and in Changsha. Other cities may have cheaper prices but I doubt it. I don't recommend buying electronics here in China! I can build or find computers much cheap in the U.S.!!!
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My little 10" laptop/notepad was about 400rmb cheaper in Aus for the identical computer but I found accessories like web cams etc are much cheaper here in China, clothes seem to be much cheaper if you don't care about brand names but stay away from the big stores, hunt around the outskirts of where they are and you can bargain them down. I bought a re chargable dog clipper with attachments yesterday for 110rmb, well under half the price I can get on ebay in Aus.
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Talking of computers , I read online that the Chinese keyboard layout is the same as the American, can any American over there confirm that?
I noticed last time I was there that laptops are more expensive than here. So i was thinking of getting Sunny one here (the likes of Dell will sell one with a American keyboard too with International warranty) instead of over there if that's the case.
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If you insist on western named brands, then computer stuff is around the same prices as in the west, if you don't mind Chinese named brands then they are a much better price than you'll find in the west... I think it's mad buying a known western brand when they use basically Chinese made components anyway... especially when your buying for your lady!!!
The Chinese laptops can be a much higher spec too, for the money that you spend...
As a general rule, you may have to hunt around, but i guarantee that you can buy almost everything cheaper in China than your home country .... As far as i'm conserned i'd rather buy a knock off than the original, at least i'm not being ripped off for the sake of a label! ..lol!! That also goes for HK , ....well it did the last time i was there. Just have to know where to shop, and how to haggle ...lol!!
David ......
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I brought my laptop over and left it with Nina. She can type like a machine gun (in Chinese). That leads me to believe that at least our letter/number layout is the same or similar to Chinese keyboards Irish.
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I brought my laptop over and left it with Nina. She can type like a machine gun (in Chinese). That leads me to believe that at least our letter/number layout is the same or similar to Chinese keyboards Irish.
Thanks Neil, I'm almost afraid to ask..do Canadians use a US keyboard layout?
My Sunny types Chinese using pinyin I think, watching her, she types letters and then a drop down menu appears for Chinese characters appears, so I see no benefit to buying over there if the letters are in standard US layout.
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haha. English speaking Canadians do. We're a bilingual country so some of us use the French keyboard layout (qwerty keyboard with access to all the accents).
My first trip, Nina typed pinyin. My last trip she typed using a different system. Similar, but it seemed a heck of a lot faster. It amazed me that she could switch between the two. They take their education very seriously.
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If you insist on western named brands, then computer stuff is around the same prices as in the west, if you don't mind Chinese named brands then they are a much better price than you'll find in the west... I think it's mad buying a known western brand when they use basically Chinese made components anyway... especially when your buying for your lady!!!
The Chinese laptops can be a much higher spec too, for the money that you spend...
As a general rule, you may have to hunt around, but i guarantee that you can buy almost everything cheaper in China than your home country .... As far as i'm conserned i'd rather buy a knock off than the original, at least i'm not being ripped off for the sake of a label! ..lol!! That also goes for HK , ....well it did the last time i was there. Just have to know where to shop, and how to haggle ...lol!!
David ......
David,
I'm curious...where do you get your information? Because everything(except being made in China and/or Taiwan) you posted on this subject is incorrect!
To begin with you buy a knock off you will be lucky if it lasts a year! Prices are higher here in China than the U.S.(so not all of the western world has higher priced computers). I've checked many places, while here in China(with female hagglers) and Chinese name pc's run for more than the eco brands in the U.S.!
As I build my own pc's at home(been doing this as a hobbie for over 14 years) what exactly are you talking about with specs? Processing speed, memory, hard drives space, motherboards? what??? I don't seeing anything with higher specs here than I do in the U.S.!
When it comes to pc's/laptops/parts buying knock-off's is a joke!!! I've seen much knock-off hardware go bad in a short amount of time!
Myself, I prefer building my own pc's with known great hardware(not knock-off) that last and work great for a long time)...please argue your point more! Since you enjoy this! Fact is your wrong!
In the western world there is a saying: "you get what you pay for" and you will pay more here than at least one place in the western world...If your so certain I am wrong please prove it...I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS...LOL!!!!!
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Bigbutt,
If your into building your own computers, then your best to find the computer component streets in your area in Changsha. They will be cheaper than you buy in the states, ...hell China's where most of the branded computers components are manufactured. The local branded computers use the same components, and usually top of the spec range too.
All or most of the the components you mentioned, depends on how much your intending to pay for your machine!!
I'm saying, ....for a given amount of money spent on a computer, you will get a higher spec machine from the local branded name's than you will get the Western branded ones... And they are just as good as the western branded names. I bought Lucy's father such a laptop 3 nearly 4 years or so ago, never had a single problem with it to date!!
Who mentioned anything about knock off computers??
Well if you think that the knock off clothes are bad, don't buy any there, wait till you get back home and buy them all there. All i can say is your buying in all the wrong places. Are you saying that all your wifes clothes last her a year and start falling apart, ...No, i didn't think so!! I still have and still wear knock off stuff that i bought 5 or 6 years ago, nothing wrong with them at all. I've had very little clothing fall apart as you say, in fact i can't remember anything falling apart....
A final point, No, i won't be arguing the point with you, as you know China far more than i do Right lol!! ...You've been there 5 minutes, it took me over 6 months to find my way around with the help of local work colleagues before i really knew where the best places are to find this and that, and it took roughly that amount of time again, in each of the cities i've worked in there. As i've said many times, it takes a lot of legwork, ask any of the Bro's that live there, they'll tell you the same thing. ...so walk before you start running!! hahaha!!!
David....
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Abigbutt,
Hehe I build my desktops too since 1991 or so, basically since the first component stores appeared with the 486 CPUs ... Some of the IT is cheaper, Intel or AMD CPUs are not of course but I bought a 2.5" HDD WD Caviar Blue 320GB for 320 RMB + 80RMB external enclosure in November, it passes the WD identification (when hooked up on e-SATA) so it's genuine (they are made in China), and it was 50% less than in France. US prices are much lower due to the exchange rate with Euro and due to US corporations milking European consumers), so maybe that ratio is not true for American. I also saw a new laptop, I think a 14" with some Intel CPU (not Atom or Celeron, something half decent, 2GB / 160GB), Chinese brand for 1400 RMB in Shenzhen. You can't even get a decent used laptop for that amount of money here, and you can actually buy a laptop without a Windows licence in China, although now you can get a refund in Europe if you request it on the purchase of a new laptop with MS OS...
But yes some of the big brands are not good deals in China. The stores I went to were recommended by locals by the way, I'm not sure I would have found them alone.
Frank
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Well lets see we spend an enormous amount of money writing,meeting,traveling,visa stuff,
on these chinese women. and after it is all done and said we end up with a wonderful,devoted,
kind,caring, lady. so i think that is the best bargain we could get in china:icon_cheesygrin:
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I hope to be able to confirm that soon! :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Well lets see we spend an enormous amount of money writing,meeting,traveling,visa stuff,
on these chinese women. and after it is all done and said we end up with a wonderful,devoted,
kind,caring, lady. so i think that is the best bargain we could get in china:icon_cheesygrin:
Or you can get divorced and half your money is gone. That's no bargain. Just be careful.
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Oiler1,
That's a chance everyone takes when they get married, be it a home bred woman or a Chinese woman. I don't think anyone thinks about divorce when getting married, maybe some that have been down that road once or twice (some even more times) may do. But it has never stopped them in the past, and i doubt that it's going to stop them in the future.
So, ...You pays your money and take your chances, It's up to the individules to be sure in there own minds, that the woman there marrying is the ''Right One'' for them, and just as important, ....that they are the ''Right Man'' for their woman!! Unfortunately life holds no guarantees, so any marriage is only going to be as good, as what your both prepared to put into it....
David......
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Actually ...
While waiting in line for a Visa at the Chinese consulate in Paris, I talked to an older Chinese guy who had been living in France for over 30 years. He advised me not to pick a Chinese wife :P but to stay out of trouble and find one in France ... we exchanged about all our views and he simply wished me good luck in the end ... he did admit thought that like in any country, there are also pearls in China :angel:
Frank
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Frank,
what were his reasons for his viewpoint on not
marrying a chinese lady?
Ted
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Ted,
He said they can be terrible, have a temper, be very stubborn and very cruel if things don't go their way. I could only ask how that was any different to Western women :P. Then I said I liked how the average euducation was so good and tradition and family values were still important for Chinese women, to which he agreed saying that Confucious did a lot of good there. :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Frank
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Frank,
Sounds to me like he was describing the well known ''China Princesses''. They can certainly be exactly like the Chinese guy describes. Which is another reason why you should be looking for an older Chinese lady in China, and preferably one that has previously been married. All those rough edges would have been rounded, and your left with the type of woman that every Western man is seeking. ...haha!!!
David......
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mine just gets a little grumpy for a few hours
then all is fine, ive never seen that from her
maybe he had a few girlfreinds and a wife and
they all found out about each other. or was the typical
all for me type of person
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I really need a cell phone. Should I buy in Hk or Shenzhen? The iphone 3GS seems like a good deal. Is it useable in North America?
Shenzhen and get the MZone SIM card. Will most likely have to buy it separately. The rates are way lower. 100RMB minutes last forever. I called from Bejing to Shenzhen thinking I was burning up all my minutes, and when I checked I hardly used any. I was shocked. A Chinese friend of mine in Shekou told me about it. They would know lol.
Oiler1,
That's a chance everyone takes when they get married, be it a home bred woman or a Chinese woman. I don't think anyone thinks about divorce when getting married, maybe some that have been down that road once or twice (some even more times) may do. But it has never stopped them in the past, and i doubt that it's going to stop them in the future.
So, ...You pays your money and take your chances, It's up to the individules to be sure in there own minds, that the woman there marrying is the ''Right One'' for them, and just as important, ....that they are the ''Right Man'' for their woman!! Unfortunately life holds no guarantees, so any marriage is only going to be as good, as what your both prepared to put into it....
David......
That is probably the very reason I have never been married lol. I would take chances in business, betting football games, and trying something new at a restaurant, but I could never get the odds to the point of my liking when faced with the possibility losing a chunk of my assets that I worked hard for.
I've loosed up over the past year, and now am willing to take that chance. I don't know how you guys did it before, but it scares the h*** out of me LOL. Learning Chinese women mind-set has allowed me to be willing to do it now. I found the odds for success are much higher with a Chinese woman.
Deal the cards.
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life is full of chances take one, when worried of her
taking all ---- prenup but they cant take what was
yours before marriage so if successful now modestly
then now is the time. i wish i new that before i got married
28 years ago my chinese lady would have been my first and
not my second and i would have saved a lot
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Last one would be Luoho Commercial center, Luoho metro station, huge building with all the brand knock-offs you can imagine, + toys and electronics, gifts and much more. I did not like the atmosphere there, and prices start ver high, bargain to at lest 50% and leave if they don't play. Sunglasses should be 80-150 rmb max for instance.
I just live nearby Luoh Commercial center.For our native Chinese we wonn't go to there for shopping,but we sometimes go there for dinner. So I recommand a coffee shop in the third floor for expat if you want to have a rest after shopping there. http://szdaily.sznews.com/html/2010-01/01/content_915102.htm
Or Laura Restaurant in the fifth floor,They serve the most delious canton food in Shenzhen!:icon_cool:
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Or Laura Restaurant in the fifth floor,They serve the most delious canton food in Shenzhen!:icon_cool:
I'm talking to a lady in Shenzhen. I'm making note of this. :fi_lone_ranger:
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Guys
I should add a small caution to those contemplating pre-nups prior to a marriage (with anyone, not just a Chinese Lady)
Please dont think that a Pre-nup is a 100% "get-out-of-jail-free" card because it is definately not.
The first hurdle you will need to get over if a seperation happens within a Pre-nup centres around what contribution she made within the marriage....and that does not necesarily mean working and bringing in a wage. If she only contributed time and effort...a good Lawyer will get that translated as a share of your assets, or cash or both.
The second hurdle is if you have had children together and they are below the age of self-support. In this case, a Pre-nup can be completely put aside legally...always the children's welfare (mentally and financially) will over-ride a Pre-nup.
Thirdly, if she joined the marriage with nothing, if it all goes perr-shaped, she will easily get some level of compensation for her situation. If , however you both had more or less equal assets to bring to the marriage, then you should be safe if there are no kids.
If you are thinking Pre-nup, get a REAL good Lawyer to draft it...and be prepared that is almost certainly wont be watertight when the crunch happens !!!
From bitter and costly personal experience I KNOW this is a set of facts that requires you do it very carefully.
Take care !!!!!!!!!!!!!
David
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Guys,
Signing a Pre-nup has always sounded to me like you are planning for the marriage to fail. It also sends a signal to her that bottom line you do not trust her. David E said that they are not water tight. Every day lawyers sit there and try to figure out ways to overcome the issues in a pre-nup. It goes back to the basics.
1. Choose wisely. - Is this not why we wait to ask them for marriage until we meet face to face?
2. Treat her right. - Isn't this the best insurance against losing everything in a divorce?
3. Pray for her daily. - With her in hearing distance. (I suggest you pray together for each other.) For you non-believers it wouldn't be a bad idea. In both Christian and non-Christian families the wife will at least know what you wish, think and feel for her. Hint: Do not pray that her shortcomings improve in front of her, pray that you become a better husband for her and she may deal with her shortcomings by herself.
4. There are no guarantees.
Shaun
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Prenup or not it all depends on how long your married and the assets. Anything you had before marriage she can't touch in a divorce. If your married a year, she's still not getting anything. It's after an amount of time (over 10 years) that she becomes entitled to a share in your pockets. As David said having kids is a whole other situation and a prenup even 10 prenup's doesn't make a difference. Based according to the US laws.
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that is correct if chldren are involved then its all out the
window. but you should want to care for your kids
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Prenup or not it all depends on how long your married and the assets. Anything you had before marriage she can't touch in a divorce. If your married a year, she's still not getting anything. It's after an amount of time (over 10 years) that she becomes entitled to a share in your pockets. As David said having kids is a whole other situation and a prenup even 10 prenup's doesn't make a difference. Based according to the US laws.
Wish it was that easy in Australia, all you have to do is live together for more than 6 months and she is entitled to 50% of everything you have, one of the reasons I've lived alone or only had only boarders for the last 19yrs...........She has her place & I have mine, that way they can stay as long as they want but are entitled to nothing, I've finished a few relationships when they have started dropping hints about moving in, once bitten twice shy and if I do end up marrying again everything will go into a family trust under my kids names before the ring is even purchased.
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Golddiggers are the reason they fixed these laws. They base things on how long they lived with you and how accustomed to that way of life they are? At 6 months they aren't accustomed to the lifestyle. Over ten years and then the numbers start changing. She's even entitled to tap into you Social Security money if you pass?
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Frank,
Sounds to me like he was describing the well known ''China Princesses''. They can certainly be exactly like the Chinese guy describes. Which is another reason why you should be looking for an older Chinese lady in China, and preferably one that has previously been married. All those rough edges would have been rounded, and your left with the type of woman that every Western man is seeking. ...haha!!!
David......
You are so right. I believe that was what my ex was. a chinese princess translated to spoiled rotten brat where the world revolves around them. sounds just the like the women in the U.S. I am trying to get away from.
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it is all based on the time spent together for what you might pay
also the kids even factor in more
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Guys,
Signing a Pre-nup has always sounded to me like you are planning for the marriage to fail. It also sends a signal to her that bottom line you do not trust her. David E said that they are not water tight. Every day lawyers sit there and try to figure out ways to overcome the issues in a pre-nup. It goes back to the basics.
1. Choose wisely. - Is this not why we wait to ask them for marriage until we meet face to face?
2. Treat her right. - Isn't this the best insurance against losing everything in a divorce?
3. Pray for her daily. - With her in hearing distance. (I suggest you pray together for each other.) For you non-believers it wouldn't be a bad idea. In both Christian and non-Christian families the wife will at least know what you wish, think and feel for her. Hint: Do not pray that her shortcomings improve in front of her, pray that you become a better husband for her and she may deal with her shortcomings by herself.
4. There are no guarantees.
Shaun
I respectfully disagree with you. A pre-nup is prudent for anyone with substantial assets. It does not mean you do not trust her or love her any less.
In life I find the most intelligent decisions I have ever made are with forethought, calmness and not emotion. You wouldn't drive a car without insurance would you?
The way I see it is if a woman is not intelligent and considerate enough to think from your perspective then it's game off. I asked a number of Chinese women about pre-nips and most agree to sign one.
Of course life has no guarantees bit you can do things to lessen the risks.
On a side note: The problem for Canadians is that you must have the lady sign the agreement in her own language with a Canadian lawyer from the same province as you present. This presents a big challenge and expense as you would have to get the lawyer to come to China with you to advise and witness the agreement. Maybe you can get her to come to Canada as a visitor but the odds are low. I wonder if one can fax the agreement and have it notarized?
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i dont think faxes work on these types of documents
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Oiler1
If you have ''substantial assets'' you can afford to send your expensive lawyer to China to to put his signature on that bit of paper. Just don't have any kids, after your married, because that very expensive bit of paper will be worth a bit fat zero, Zilch, Nothing!! What those have stated here is correct, the Children will override any prenup!!
Trust has to be the second, if not the most important thing in ANY marriage, how the hell can you say you trust your future wife, but then turn round and say .....''but only if you sign this prenup''
I know what i'd say, if a i was put in the same position, ....i'd tell them exactly where to go, and where to stick there bit of paper too....lol!!
David.....
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thats a good point must be from getting burned so you think onesided
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Oiler1
If you have ''substantial assets'' you can afford to send your expensive lawyer to China to to put his signature on that bit of paper. Just don't have any kids, after your married, because that very expensive bit of paper will be worth a bit fat zero, Zilch, Nothing!! What those have stated here is correct, the Children will override any prenup!!
Trust has to be the second, if not the most important thing in ANY marriage, how the hell can you say you trust your future wife, but then turn round and say .....''but only if you sign this prenup''
I know what i'd say, if a i was put in the same position, ....i'd tell them exactly where to go, and where to stick there bit of paper too....lol!!
David.....
It's good you don't represent every woman. There are some that understand the situation and are willing to sign a pre-nup. I don't have substantial assets, but have enough to be devastated if I am divorced. Do what you like, but I can have insurance and also peace of mind and love in a marriage too. Over time the lady will know that in spite of a pre-nup.
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Oiler1,
i was just curious what part of the world are you from? most of the prenups could be
torn apart in the usa with a divorce especially one that lasted 24 yrs. i do know this as
a fact because of experience. so i guess its nice to have your peace of mind but in reality
the interpretation in court is totally different with many years involved as they factor all
kinds of things into the equation
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Prenup or not it all depends on how long your married and the assets. Anything you had before marriage she can't touch in a divorce. If your married a year, she's still not getting anything. It's after an amount of time (over 10 years) that she becomes entitled to a share in your pockets. As David said having kids is a whole other situation and a prenup even 10 prenup's doesn't make a difference. Based according to the US laws.
Wish it was that easy in Australia, all you have to do is live together for more than 6 months and she is entitled to 50% of everything you have, one of the reasons I've lived alone or only had only boarders for the last 19yrs...........She has her place & I have mine, that way they can stay as long as they want but are entitled to nothing, I've finished a few relationships when they have started dropping hints about moving in, once bitten twice shy and if I do end up marrying again everything will go into a family trust under my kids names before the ring is even purchased.
In Canada, the woman has dower rights as long as she lives in your house one night!
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Haha, now how did bargains turn into prenups??? :icon_cheesygrin:
Back on topic - anything MADE IN CHINA you should be able to find cheaper there. Stuff imported will usually be more expensive, eg. branded PCs, like HP, Compaq (verified that, cheaper in Singapore actually than in China).
How come nobody mentioned the OBVIOUS? FOOOOOOOOOD !!!
One of the best bargains ever, in price & quality & variety.
Short times --- (every hotel seems to have em, AND they always seem to call you in the room 15 minutes after you get back, haha, usually in guise of massages)
PIRATED DVDs !!! nuff said - the selection is amazing ! I found stuff even original shops won't have, like compilations, like unabridged editions.
TAXI fares --- some cities you negotiate the rate, often as low as 5RMB for a 10 minute ride,
LEATHER goods (well some places anyway).
SILK & freshwater pearls (okay the latter may be poorer quality)
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What about arty stuff? for example vases, ornamnets, pictures etc.
The reason I ask is because I am starting up a market stall and looking for some 'Exports'. As I intend aiming for the Asian 'Market' in the UK.
So anyone in China and able to 'send' stuff to me, please get in touch.:icon_biggrin:
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let me know what our looking for rob as gz is loaded with bulk buying places
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let me know what our looking for rob as gz is loaded with bulk buying places
Ted
Ok mate will do. as soon as i can look out for the items I want.
TY
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yw rob
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Haha, now how did bargains turn into prenups??? :icon_cheesygrin:
Back on topic - anything MADE IN CHINA you should be able to find cheaper there. Stuff imported will usually be more expensive, eg. branded PCs, like HP, Compaq (verified that, cheaper in Singapore actually than in China).
How come nobody mentioned the OBVIOUS? FOOOOOOOOOD !!!
One of the best bargains ever, in price & quality & variety.
Short times --- (every hotel seems to have em, AND they always seem to call you in the room 15 minutes after you get back, haha, usually in guise of massages)
PIRATED DVDs !!! nuff said - the selection is amazing ! I found stuff even original shops won't have, like compilations, like unabridged editions.
TAXI fares --- some cities you negotiate the rate, often as low as 5RMB for a 10 minute ride,
LEATHER goods (well some places anyway).
SILK & freshwater pearls (okay the latter may be poorer quality)
I find a lot of food snacks are good to bring home. I have no idea what is in them though.
I can get a congee bowl for about 4 rmb.
Pirated DVD's you take your chances at customs. Sometimes the quality is not that good.
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how do u negotiate taxi fairs??? i never heard that??
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Yes what Ted said I'm curios to.Iv'e negotiated taxi fares in Bangkok. and Hong Kong.But never in mainland China with a regesterd taxi.
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how do u negotiate taxi fairs??? i never heard that??
Examples :
1) in Jinghong the capital of southern Yunnan, most taxis optionally run without turning on the meter, perhaps hoping to bilk the passenger, but since I know the rules, we negotiate beforehand, from A to B, how much? Usually 5-15 RMB for short trips. Heck, there was only ONE traffic light in the whole city when I was last there...
2) in Tianjin there is a flag-down fare, 8 RMB I think, (used to be 5 RMB) which allows you to travel for some 5-10 minutes before the meter starts moving. There are many ways to get to a specific place, and there some roads become 1-way after office hours, so I just offer a fixed fare, and they either take the short way risking jams, or long way but I cap my risk. Many drivers accept the offer rather than wait for another passenger, but it depends on the driver & how likely he is to get another fare. It helps that I have a chinese face & speak chinese.
Perhaps larger cities play by the rules, but remember, the rules sometimes change depending where you are. IF you need a taxi for maybe half a day or to go X different places, very often it is cheaper to hire a driver for maybe 50-100 RMB depending how far the distances. Of course I am too smart to pay all of it upfront. Then again, a few times I have also gotten free rides. But those were special circumstances.
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Can a person use a Canadian or US eye prescription to buy glasses in China? They are really expensive in Canada.
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Well I must admit...The day I went for my 'Interview' when I got back to the bus station, the taxi driver told me 25 RMB and I told him that I had got a taxi there that morning and it only cost me 12RMB..Suffice to say, he agreed to take me for that price
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oiler1,
Simple and straight forward answer to your question is ''Yes'', and they are really cheap to buy over there too!!...
David.....
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Oiler they will do the eye exam there.And yes it is really cheap.I bought 4 pair of glasses and two eye exams.for what a pair of descent frames would cost in the states.
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i just had my eyes examined and bought new glasses here in
Guangzhou paid 400 rmb for eveything which is cheap. just about
59 usa dollars for everything
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Maxx,
Yes they can do an eye test there, but if he already has a bona fide lens prescription from Canada/USA, he only needs to pick out the frame(s) he wants his prescription fitted too. Done that myself on occassion... The measurement used in eye tests is universal so no problem....
If he doesn't have a prescription yet, then best save his money and have that done in China too, it'll save him even more money ...hahaha!!
David....
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Is everyone overlooking a good Chinese woman? Maybe someone has already said that.
I mean consider if you married another American woman. (Insert your own country) What happens if you get a divorce again? Besides Chinese women are so much more beautiful and their accent speaking English is so cute. It melts me like butter. I am having so much more fun than I ever did being married to an American woman. And yes I do believe there are good American women, just few and far between.
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Shaun---- post #24 :icon_cheesygrin:
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Dang Ted!!! That didn't take long.
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hahaha killing time reading the news and bouncing back to here to read
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Wait wait wait they can do a eye test in China?? OK read the first line ? you fail need glasses.
How do they test your eyes? in english or chinese?
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Vince I had my wife with me she translated for me.David 50 400Rmb was the price with the eye exam included
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straight line, straight line, squiggly line. haha
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Well I must admit...The day I went for my 'Interview' when I got back to the bus station, the taxi driver told me 25 RMB and I told him that I had got a taxi there that morning and it only cost me 12RMB..Suffice to say, he agreed to take me for that price
Well done, Rob ! Mayhap you're the first to actually try out the taxi fare bargaining I mentioned !
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in GZ you just pay the price on the meter. and during busy times and you
are stuck in traffic the meter does move here during the time waiting so
keep that in mind. i took a taxi once that cost me 30 rmb and when i took
it again with heavy traffic it was 36 rmb when i arrived. just fyi
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Darn I got an eye exam in Canada last week. Oh well next time I know what to do. I will get my backup glasses in China.
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bring your prescription here and get glasses here they are cheaper than the usa
so i am sure they are cheaper than canada as well
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Ted,
All Taxi meters worldwide work on time and distance. So if a taxi stops for any period of time it measures time, when moving , it measures distance. That's why they have to be regularly calibrated by the local authorities responsible for taxi's in there area....
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There much cheaper in China Ted, there are very few countries that prescription glasses are cheaper than in China!!
David....
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david yes this is the second time i have gotten my glasses in china.
the first time i brouht my prescription with me. this time i had everything
done here and i must say the lady who helped me pick out a new pair was
quite beautiful glasses on or off:icon_cheesygrin:
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bring your prescription here and get glasses here they are cheaper than the usa
so i am sure they are cheaper than canada as well
$480 CAD here for a hi-index everything lens and titanium frame. $65 for an exam in Olympic land.
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when you come here still bring your prescription and see if you want
to get a second pair the prices here are cheap and the quality is good
many choices here i just did it all for 400 rmb and the glasses and lens
are of high quality index
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How much are SIM cards in China?
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i think the way they work is you buy a sim card for say 100rmb and after you put it
in your phone there is like 55rmb talk time on it and you load it as you go with more rmb