China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Ask An Experienced Member => Topic started by: jeffm on January 31, 2010, 10:46:24 am
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As we all know most agencies have their REAL girls and smokin pictures of girls used to generate revenue.
What do you think the general ratio is of scams versus legit women. Is it 60/40? or is it 40/60 for example?
What say you?
My gut tells me 60/40 or maybe 70/30 for the women in their twenties. Thinking this through as I'm writing this is that it would be obvious that when you get into their 30's and then 40's the ratio heavily slants to the legit side.
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I would be able to work out a ratio if I had all the statistics. But I don't so I can only guess at this. Changsha has a higher chance of scamming. From reading and seeing what comes out of there. This all depends on what you deem a scam? Entirely on Chnlove I would say it's a wider ratio Maybe 80/20, 20 being the scammed part.
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Jeff,
Being that you know China prety good, have you ever been to the KTV's? You know the kind that have many smokin women in their early twentys working in them...You know the kind of work they do! Add some make up and a miniskirt and they are smokin!
I would think most of the women are legit(regardless of age), the problem you will have is there are probably a couple hundred dudes writing them and these women will have the one(s) they are interested in and you will have the agency wanting to generate money with phony EMF's! So the sucker flys to China and ends up meeting another woman because the woman he was interested in, wasn't interested with him. You will have the ones looking for money(not love) and you will have your legits...of all ages! In the past 5 weeks I have met many women looking for a man to have in their lives...in their 20's, 30's, 40's and three in their 50's! All of them are legit but not sign up with an agency! There are about 5 in my wifes English class and I see them three times a week. I did meet a translator from that other Changsha agency p218(I think) that looked pretty hot! She had a man with her from France(dude didn't speak any English!) and the woman he wanted to check out was probably the only bad apple out of them all! The man was dumped by the woman he came to meet, so the translator was trying to set him up with another(HAHAHA...about 15 years younger than him and she wasn''t interested a bit!!!). She is more interested in money anyways....
You know like anybody here, getting past the emf garbage is the most important part to start having a clue if they are interested. I would say over 90% of those women truly interested in a man will be willing to do this, in no time and even then after a chat or two the woman may lose interest.
Many get infatuated with them emf's and will think it's the real thing and that percentage will be very small(a few have found their love with this route only)...most don't!!!
I was reading you are here now in China have you been to any of the agencys?
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I would be able to work out a ratio if I had all the statistics. But I don't so I can only guess at this. Changsha has a higher chance of scamming. From reading and seeing what comes out of there. This all depends on what you deem a scam? Entirely on Chnlove I would say it's a wider ratio Maybe 80/20, 20 being the scammed part.
To me a scam would be phantom women or women who know this is happening and don't care. Those would be the two major qualifiers. Also one could throw in a third one, and that is the girl is extremely picky and the agency/translator knows it, but will send letters to those guys who they know the girl won't like and keep sending translator generated mails.
That's interesting how you look at that. I was leaning the opposite way on the 60/40 to 70/30 as 60 and 70 being the scammed part. I would hope I am wrong.
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I would be able to work out a ratio if I had all the statistics. But I don't so I can only guess at this. Changsha has a higher chance of scamming. From reading and seeing what comes out of there. This all depends on what you deem a scam? Entirely on Chnlove I would say it's a wider ratio Maybe 80/20, 20 being the scammed part.
Vince,
You may want to reword this because assuming a city, like Changsha, is full of scammers when you haven't even been here, is weak! There is a city north of here(Wuhan) in then next province, that is full of scamming women and the agency isn't too bad. The problem with chnlove is they have no control over whats going on at the agencys and this is where the sucker gets burned everytime, regardless of agency!!! What the name for this???? oh thats right "LOOPHOLE"!!!
I would be able to work out a ratio if I had all the statistics. But I don't so I can only guess at this. Changsha has a higher chance of scamming. From reading and seeing what comes out of there. This all depends on what you deem a scam? Entirely on Chnlove I would say it's a wider ratio Maybe 80/20, 20 being the scammed part.
To me a scam would be phantom women or women who know this is happening and don't care. Those would be the two major qualifiers. Also one could throw in a third one, and that is the girl is extremely picky and the agency/translator knows it, but will send letters to those guys who they know the girl won't like and keep sending translator generated mails.
That's interesting how you look at that. I was leaning the opposite way on the 60/40 to 70/30 as 60 and 70 being the scammed part. I would hope I am wrong.
You hit the bulls-eye...mainly because woman is interested in another man...butt agency doesn't want to lose the revenue...so entice you to come and shove another woman in your face! This will be in the 70% range!
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abigbutt no I haven't made it in those places. Probably because I'm not big on Karoke (spelling?). No I didn't know the girls did anything. I could think of a couple of things. I originally thought they were just hang out places for the younger group to go and sing. I found out a few days ago that they have a family ktv, a nude ktv, and one other one. More schtick goes on there than I thought. Care to share more of what you know about those places?
The rest of what you say is well noted. I agree and that's why I chose to just be here for awhile, and cut through the crap. My chances are good meeting someone in town on a certain day with the timing just right.
Tomorrow I visit my first agency in Nanning 608, and also the 512 Yibang. Will report on them. I can tell you this that when I got into the hotel room Castle (translator 608) finally sent me pictures of the girl she wants me to meet. Of course she looks good, and I wrote back to tell her nice, but I want to she what is behind the makeup and photography.
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Jeff,
Not all the KTV's are this way but many are...you can find expat news on this and I seen this at a KTV here in Changsha a few weeks ago...went to meet a friend and had no idea about it till then...I was with my wife and we were discussing this with the friend...the hookers looked like many of the hot photos you see on chnlove! The wonders of make-up and minskirts!!! LOL!!! :icon_cheesygrin:
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Abigbutt, From the information that I have and seeing the difference of the photos that come out of at least one Changsha agency? It seems more likely the scam is more there. But China a whole? I think there are many really looking. Take into account who's paying for signing up. Scammers are mostly set up by an agency. I can't see a female spending that kind of money to do a scam? Also, there has been a few that went and found the woman wasn't available, but there are some that said the woman wasn't like the photo? That's not the same. I wish I took numbers on this.
Scam to me is deceiving someone for money. Fake EMF's, bait and switch are part of it. But looking at it from a total point of view? If there are 7000 women and 1000 are fake? I'll stay with the 80/20.
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i see the ktv's all over guangzhou and i guess i am glad that i did not
go in one in my adventures around town, and then tell the wife were
i was or checked out. didnt realize these were for prostitution. and with
my luck if i went into 10 they all would be that and not a legit one.
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Vince, what is a KTV ? first of all (stupid me)
Second, those are called bait and switch...I like Scottish Robs approach, which is go to china and let one find you !!!
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Karaoke on a TV screen = KTV
we have/had them in bars mostly, over there they have private rooms you rent, with food, drinks.
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I have had time to really look into this area.
The bottom-line is the Agencies are businesses and they make money off of the emfs.
The Agencies do have women that they use photos to attract other men; and the women are really not interested in the person.
Most of the women I talked to in this situation, do not focus on this. They appear to be interested in finding the right person for them. That is where their focus seem to be. they really do not get into the details of how the Agency they may belong to operate.
The key is to quickly free yourself from the Agency's control by communicating with the lady as soon as possible.
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I would think the money is from the sign ups. EMF's are change to them. Think about it? Would you rather make $1.5 - 2. each EMF or 5 grand for an hours work? That's why some agency will make a fake profile then they only make money on the EMF. To me this is petty. I guess for them it's a big deal?
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2 us dollars and you can eat here in china at certain areas
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I was talking to a girl who is on Chnlove the other day and she paid the agency 1,200 rmb and if they introduce her to a man she marries they want another 8,000 rmb, she was perfection on legs but I doubt it will go anywhere.
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I was talking to a girl who is on Chnlove the other day and she paid the agency 1,200 rmb and if they introduce her to a man she marries they want another 8,000 rmb, she was perfection on legs but I doubt it will go anywhere.
Haha. I met one tonight like that.
I'll have to ask her at some point what she's paying. I do know this agency 608 doesn't charge the girls to meet a guy.
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The hand in hand in Zhuhai charges 5000 for woman meeting menn and even put the price upovernight to 10,000. Then another 30,000 on top if they marry.
In Zhongshan they want 40,000 for a marriage - but they even try to con the men into paying before the marriage takes place.
Willy
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Registration of 1200 and success fee of 5000+ was what the story was with my ex in SZ.
Vince there are EMF scams, there is no doubt about it. I heard it from the inside and was actually a victim of that at least once if not twice. A translator can manage at least 20 letters a day, with the replies that's 40 EMF*24 working days*= 960 USD a month when they get paid less than 400. Convert that into RMB.
About the scam/real ratio, the prettier and the younger she is, the higher are scamming chances. I wrote to 5 pretty ladies under 25, 2 were scams I think and I am sure about one, almost certain about the second.
I never got scammed in the 30+ range, but I choose them well. When I see "I am like a butterfly ready to land on my favorite flower" as a profile, I don't even send a cupid note. For me the whole EMF system is just too prone to scam. A lady I am chatting with now never even received my EMFs, just had a quick chat about me with her translator. So I sent her the letters her translator wrote on her behalf, she found them pretty good. Then I sent her my EMFs (English + Google transalation) ... she couldn't believe I wrote those, gave me a million compliments about them and now she's falling even more for me which scares me because I thought she liked me because of them in the first place. If it doesn't work out she'll hurt even more now ... :s I hate it so much ...
I still have over 30 EMF credits left but I'll only use a few more, if my coming trip is not successful I will harden my strategy and request direct contact in the first EMF, I can't believe how much time I must have wasted putting my heart into writing them ...
I know some had good experience with EMF, but for me it's the second time this kind of surprise shows up, and I only asked two times.
Frank
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it seems to happen all to often which is not a good
thing and you dont see chnl doing anything to correct the
problem with the agencies. very typical business practice here
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My experience with agencies in other countries are that at best they are lousy. At their worst, they have the same set of pretty women being visited by all the men who drop in.
I do not know the number of foreign men who just appear cold calling an agency. I imagine these Chinese agencies have Chinese guys as well as foreigners as clients though.
I wonder what is the foreign customer rate for cities other than the 3 main international air hub cities? China is vast so I doubt there are foreigners in a lot of their secondary cities.
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My experience with agencies in other countries are that at best they are lousy. At their worst, they have the same set of pretty women being visited by all the men who drop in.
I do not know the number of foreign men who just appear cold calling an agency. I imagine these Chinese agencies have Chinese guys as well as foreigners as clients though.
I wonder what is the foreign customer rate for cities other than the 3 main international air hub cities? China is vast so I doubt there are foreigners in a lot of their secondary cities.
I have gone a week in Wuhan without seeing a single "laowai".
I would think the money is from the sign ups. EMF's are change to them. Think about it? Would you rather make $1.5 - 2. each EMF or 5 grand for an hours work? That's why some agency will make a fake profile then they only make money on the EMF. To me this is petty. I guess for them it's a big deal?
Vince, think about it :
The AGENCY makes 5grand, cool for them!
BUT the translator, aha, THEY skin you from EMFs. I'll bet they are paid per piece, just like op ed freelancers at the dailies.
The hand in hand in Zhuhai charges 5000 for woman meeting menn and even put the price upovernight to 10,000. Then another 30,000 on top if they marry.
In Zhongshan they want 40,000 for a marriage - but they even try to con the men into paying before the marriage takes place.
Willy
Ah, we are all sex slaves, eh?
Registration of 1200 and success fee of 5000+ was what the story was with my ex in SZ.
Vince there are EMF scams, there is no doubt about it. I heard it from the inside and was actually a victim of that at least once if not twice. A translator can manage at least 20 letters a day, with the replies that's 40 EMF*24 working days*= 960 USD a month when they get paid less than 400. Convert that into RMB.
About the scam/real ratio, the prettier and the younger she is, the higher are scamming chances. I wrote to 5 pretty ladies under 25, 2 were scams I think and I am sure about one, almost certain about the second.
I never got scammed in the 30+ range, but I choose them well. When I see "I am like a butterfly ready to land on my favorite flower" as a profile, I don't even send a cupid note. For me the whole EMF system is just too prone to scam. A lady I am chatting with now never even received my EMFs, just had a quick chat about me with her translator. So I sent her the letters her translator wrote on her behalf, she found them pretty good. Then I sent her my EMFs (English + Google transalation) ... she couldn't believe I wrote those, gave me a million compliments about them and now she's falling even more for me which scares me because I thought she liked me because of them in the first place. If it doesn't work out she'll hurt even more now ... :s I hate it so much ...
I still have over 30 EMF credits left but I'll only use a few more, if my coming trip is not successful I will harden my strategy and request direct contact in the first EMF, I can't believe how much time I must have wasted putting my heart into writing them ...
I know some had good experience with EMF, but for me it's the second time this kind of surprise shows up, and I only asked two times.
Frank
Same here Frank,
to be brutally frank, haha...
you run the gauntlet of CHNLove's policies, the individual agencies possibly doing something funny, and the girl's translator trying to prolong or outright faking letters. I have NEVER had a girl give me her number in 2 or even 4 letters. AND these are letters that are 3000-4000 characters long, much longer than average. That sucks, coz in real life I get numbers much more easily, and often within the first meeting. My personality & unique characteristics never get much of a chance to shine through with 3 layers of bureaucracy in between. I'll bet the translators are removing the numbers & email addresses.
I have thought of a strategy to outwit the translators - make the job of scamming me too hard to be worth their while, relative to other suckers who write "their" girl. I hear each girl has her own translator, who zealously guard their golden goose. How? For a start, very long letters, many tough questions, and if the reply is not specifically addressing those, I threaten to stop & block. But it might not work either. Translator might be glad to end it & concentrate on scamming the easy marks. But I at least do not get led on a wild goose chase.
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I have gone a week in Wuhan without seeing a single "laowai".
I am in Wuhan at the moment. I thought I had the city to myself. I'm unhappy now I have to share it with you. Maybe next time we should set things up and so we don't get in each other's way *laughs*
I love the KTV bars. What was written about the variability from bar to bar that's for sure. There are some that you can go with your wife's parents. And there are other "blue" ones where I don't think I'm ever going to get a look inside at.
One of the funny things I love about this city is how everything is mixed up and no one seems to mind. Yesterday I spent five hours getting my wedding photos done. The shop next door sold toys, the next shop sold noodles and a few doors after that there was a brothel. No-one seemed to mind and everyone just got about their business withou a thought for what was going on. As we passed by my lady just laughed, "I won't tell you what goes on in there . . . . "
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Danny,
I am about to go through the wedding picture thing as well.
You spent 5 hours taking pictures?
Is this about the norm? Also what was the cost of your session.
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Give them an ultimatum after 2 or 3 letters. Ask for a phone number. Tell them you are coming in 2 weeks. If they want to know you better you say meeting in person is worth a thousand letters.
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I have gone a week in Wuhan without seeing a single "laowai".
I am in Wuhan at the moment. I thought I had the city to myself. I'm unhappy now I have to share it with you. Maybe next time we should set things up and so we don't get in each other's way *laughs*
I love the KTV bars. What was written about the variability from bar to bar that's for sure. There are some that you can go with your wife's parents. And there are other "blue" ones where I don't think I'm ever going to get a look inside at.
One of the funny things I love about this city is how everything is mixed up and no one seems to mind. Yesterday I spent five hours getting my wedding photos done. The shop next door sold toys, the next shop sold noodles and a few doors after that there was a brothel. No-one seemed to mind and everyone just got about their business withou a thought for what was going on. As we passed by my lady just laughed, "I won't tell you what goes on in there . . . . "
Oh but I am NOT in Wuhan, and even if I am, I could easily pass off for a local, so you may retain your celebrity status :icon_cheesygrin:
Too bad you missed the motorcycle-taxis, I hear they are no longer allowed. KTVs are a given wherever Chinese live, it takes the place of your Hooters/pole-dance club, the diff being you have to pay for the scantily dressed gals to sit with ya, similar to paying EMFs for communication. Of course if you take a fancy to one, you could just book her for the night, and off to the motel/brothel next door. I once went to a KTV with my ex & some businessmen, the gals got me drinking til I puked, then one of em lap-danced on the other guy & french-kissed him, while I snapped away with my cam, & my gal just laughed. Pretty wild. Another one had pink lighting & beds just in case.
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I'll bet the translators are removing the numbers & email addresses.
agency assigned email? translator's phone number? These are good possbilities...if lady wants your info she will pay for it...:dodgy: some of the translators are hot and 99.99% of them have QQ...maybe hit it off with translator & avoid the EMF scam completely!
the thing about the 5000 is a really stupid way to look at this...you have rent, you have hired employees(translator's) and all the rest of your business over-head. emf money and every other bit of money helps, they can't wait for big quick cash flow to pay bills...problem these agencys encounter: too many men want same woman...so sure bait and switch...infatuation does wonders!!! I seen this with a French man and translator from OTHER CHANGSHA AGENCY...gathering info online and reading heresay...is a very weak way to gather conclusions! Until you plant your ass on this soil over here and see this first hand, you can't really draw any conclusions...
Scam's are above 60%...easily (agency/translator/lady a combo or solo...take your choice) The pictures of women are real...all of them! Cake-up/lighting/p-shop/sexy clothes...etc etc...lets get the customers flowing! a Phantom woman would be a woman either interested in someone else or doesn't care what translator does with interested man...the big thing and everyone seems to forget...LADY MIGHT NOT BE INTERESTED IN YOU!!! The agency wants money so it becomes the money game...if man shows up there is a chance he might find one he likes and they get married then the agency gets wad of cash flow etc etc etc...for anybody thinking they are the only man writing to a certain woman, you must think again!!! If woman is truly interested in you then she will ignore anybody else and concentrate on you...it's plain and simple... chnlove advertises very heavy online.......There are men from all over the world looking at web site...including men in China....you do have competition!
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...for anybody thinking they are the only man writing to a certain woman, you must think again!!! If woman is truly interested in you then she will ignore anybody else and concentrate on you...it's plain and simple... chnlove advertises very heavy online.......There are men from all over the world looking at web site...including men in China....you do have competition!
I agree with that, if the women even write themselves. I am chatting with one who never saw my letters and never wrote one either, I posted somewhere about that. Hmm and yes they will focus on you if they are interested, I have 3 focussing on me unfortunately, I'll have to break 2 hearts soon and feel bad about that.
I got some comments about the typical male population: the vast majority is 50+ and hunting girls below 30 or even below 25. Yes many expat Chinese men are on there (and often preferred to Western men), I don't think many mainland Chinese though, there are much better sites for them and they only go for <25 girls regardless how old they are. Many weird profiles amongst the Western men which explains a certain reserve initially.
What happens a lot for the women is a Cupid note without follow-up after the reply, or 1 or 2 EMFs and the men disappear (I heard this from my SZ-ex who has very nice pictures on CHN, and really nice (translator) letters as well. For the real ladies CHN is frustrating too, it takes most a long time before meeting someone, and the good looking ones have a hard time finding interesting men in their age range. The less good looking ones, well, Proteus posted about this, they have a really hard time. As a result, some women actually choose not to write letters or Cupid replies themselves to avoid frustration. Mix into that the large amount of diggers or phoneys, and you know why this system is crap on both ends.
Frank
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just need a lot of patience on these sites and expect the
good with the bad. but chnl should want to do something about a few
of these agencies as they do represent them when they do business
but i guess they dont care by the customer service letters i got
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Sure there are Scams going on, ....but over 60/70% of the profiles ...hahahaha!!!!
David....
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60/70 percent are scams? is that what ur saying?
that would seem high to me?
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You guys are discussing numbers here.60% to 70% are fake where did these numbers come from?Where did the other number come from 30% to 40% are fake.Is there some paper out there.Written by somebody who has actually talked to all 7,000 ladies on Chnlove.Or any of the other sites out there.And have got the ladies true feeling about all of this.
Yes allot of these relationships do fail.Why?Because of all the things we have ben discussing for the last year.Agency/ translator interference.The lady or the man can't get outside of there own head.And they start over thinking this thing.Bad agencies,Bad communication.No understanding of different culture and customs.a total lack of interest on the part of the man or the women.
Nobody ever said this was going to be easy.If it was easy.Everybody would be doing it.There is no 100% right way.Just because you did it one way.doesn't mean that it is going to work for the next guy.
2 or 3 Emf and you don't get direct contact.You drop the woman.If I had done this I wouldn't be married to my wife.And we wouldn't have 2 kids.When I met my wife she spoke about three words of English.I spoke one word of Chinese.So this Emf thing you all are whinning about worked for me.Was the translator the middle of it.Yes and I knew that.I could tell by the letters.They were way to friendly way to fast.
My wife has a friend who used to get up 3 hours early everyday to translate her boyfriends letters from English to Chinese.Are any of you guys doing that.I felt so bad for the lady.I talked her boyfriend into sending me the letters first.Then me and my wife would spend 10 minutes and translate the letter to Chinese.Then send it to her.
If you guys really want to do this.Learn a little customs learn a little history.Learn how a Chinese woman thinks.The most popular person on this forum Should be Chen yan.Not because she is so beautiful.But because she has the inside track.On how to hook up with a Chinese woman.Go to China.See what it is really like.Get a idea how it all works.
If I was still looking for a wife.The first person I would talk to is Chen yan.Or one of the other members wife's.Inside track guys.The best sort of information out there.
stop looking for the fakes and the phonies.If that is all your looking for that is all your going to find.
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thats a few good points maxx
overthinking and expecting the bad will
surely get you those results i was very lucky
with my wife she spoke good english and it is me
now stumbling to learn chinese. i didnt require good
english as i was willing to learn chinese.
this brings me to this point--- seems like and i could be wrong as i have
no numbers to verify this but many people
think the lady should move and adapt to the
new country and learn that language but what
about us learning their language and culture also
we should not expect them to give everything up
it is a 2 way street. we are not some kind of saviour
for these women but just someone looking for a good
good lady to marry and when we find her we should also
make many concessions in the relationship. ive spoken to
people living here and working who will not marry a chinese
lady because of language and customs???? well what do you
expect??? but they are ok to go out with and have fun???
just amazes me what goes thru peoples minds sometime. i ask them
have you learned chinese they say no??? dont want to to hard???
ok i will shut up
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Ted why stop? You have the right idea
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Danny,
I am about to go through the wedding picture thing as well.
You spent 5 hours taking pictures?
Is this about the norm? Also what was the cost of your session.
Yes, five hours from beginning to end.
She changed costumes about half a dozen times. And I changed about three times. The photo session just went on and on and on. I was on my best behaviour and so I tried my best to enjoy it, or at the very least to pretend like I did.
We talked to them for about half an hour at the beginning about what she wanted. Then the photo shoot went for over three hours. Then we spent about an hour choosing the photos for the album.
God I was glad to be out of there.
It cost about 1,200 yuan for the session, an album with about thirty pages of photos, and a CD with electronic versions of all of the pictures.
Yes, the photos are a big deal. I would set aside a day for this. Don't try to do them in a rush, or you will end up just upsetting yourself and your woman.
I initially thought this was going to happen in an hour or so. I thought we could do it in an hour or so. The photo shop people were happy to do them when we arrived, at about 7pm but we decided to come back the next day at about noon.
Enjoy!
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thanks Maxx,
sometimes i just wonder in amazement at what i hear here in china from westerners.:s
its know wonder at times the women are a litle evasive in contact. maybe its because
they have met some of the knuckleheads here. the best one i heard was from a man
from shanghai who i met by the consulate here in guangzhou. now mind you he is waiting
for his wife to come out of the interview. he said he has been teaching here in china the
last two years while they waited and he told me quote "you should teach here because
you can get all the sex you can handle if your a teacher from the kids you teach and or the moms"
isnt that a pathetic thing to say and we wonder why sometimes we have problems with the
ladies as far as comunicating??? well i told him i had to go i had an appointment and he said
nice to meet you and give it a try. he was probably 30 to 35 and it is people like him that
give the western people a bad rap here in china. well i do teach part time but its to teach
english a little better than what they recieve in school as i wasnt to impressed with the method
i observed in the schools i went to to see how they did it. so i think the trust has to be built up
because if you dont think they realize that here on what is going on then your fooling yourself.
many ladies i meet think the western man is here just to take advantage of them so they need to
see and gain trust. anyway that is what i have observed here in guangzhou which is a pretty big
city with a very large base of westerners.
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Ted yes GZ has allot of westerners I spent 5 days there back in 2007.Me and the wife pass threw there at least twice on every trip to China.
I have a friend in Zhuhai.Every time she would start talking to a westerner.The conversation would turn to sex after a couple of QQ chats.Ore letters.
I was teaching her English.and she had copies of the letters.So I would read the letters.Then help her read them.Most of the letters read like a third rate porno magazine.I couldn't believe some of the stuff that was written in those letters.
My wife has a friend in Shenzhen.Her boyfriend was a foreigner.He came to China.And after a couple of days.He pulls me a side and says hey when does the fun start.You know I flew all this way.Spent all this money.On hotels, gifts, airfare,I had to take time off from work.I want to recoup some of my loses.
I just stood there with my mouth hanging open.I couldn't believe that guy had that kind of attitude.I finally told the guy that it wasn't like that.So he got mad and went to stand with my wife's friend.I told my wife what the man said.My wife told her friend.The man ended up spending the rest of his time in China.Setting in the hotel room watching CCTV9.And trying to get his now ex girlfriend to call him.
The friend in Zhuhai went threw about ten different men.Before she found the one for her.She talked to men from The middle east all the way to the states and everywhere in between.Six of these guys where just looking for a sex partner.The other 4 could never get outside of there heads and take a little risk.
The friend in Shenzhen she ran across a couple of more Western losers.So she gave up completely.Closed her profile on the 2 different web sites that she was on
So yes i understand when these ladies are hesitant around western men.After a while they just get burnt to many times.The rumor mill will just start spinning among the women.They said she said.My cousin in Wuhan had a foriegn boyfriend.And he was bad.So now we are all bad.
What really gets me is the guys that do it like this.All there doing is cutting there own throats.Give it 5 or 10 years.And foriegn men will have just as bad a reputation as the Chinese men do.When that happens this window of opportunity will be closed for along time.So where does the next generation go?
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interesting read Maxx but it confirms what i have heard and seen here
in guangzhou and as we both know it confirms what some of the problem
is with the comunication issues
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Right on Guys !!!!!
As usual, the desperate drongos make life tough for all the genuine guys trying their best to honestly learn, understand, accept and admire the things that matter most about Chinese Women and Chinese customs and traditions.
To have a lifetime Partnership with any woman, foreign or not , demands that we get to know as much about her and her background, personality, likes, dislikes etc. It is part of the "journey" and will be a great learning and a great pleasure.
And when we even have people posting here about searching for "hotties", with their tongues hanging down to their knees......what sort of a message are we sending to any Chinese Woman who might read the posts, or might learn about them from a friend or some-such.
Chen Yan must blush with embarrassment to read some of this and it is so difficult for the genuine guys to over-ride this sort of guff.
So , If you read this Chen Yan, please understand that not all Western Men are like that :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
DavidE
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DavidE,
the ones searching for just hotties just i would think have an
ego problem. when i was young and dumb i always went after
the good looking ones which were defined as the one whom every
one wanted to be with. when i reflect back on what i did in younger
days i wonder how i made it this far. but you know what???
the lady i am married to is the hottest woman around:icon_biggrin:
why? because of the total package i got when she fell for me.:icon_biggrin:
so if someone looks at her and says she isnt hot i dont give a rats ### what
they think. i would just say "you should be as lucky as i am"
anyway thats my further 2 cents on this :icon_biggrin:
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I agree with you Ted. Outer beauty is just that. I did the same as you, always went after the beauty. What a mistake that was. This lady I'm talking with is not the best looking, she is 50, but in her studio shots for her profile she is quite good looking. I have asked for pictures in regular situations and received them. not the same as the studio shots but still this is not what attracted me to her. It is the way that they treat you that makes them smokin' hot. Honesty, loyalty, devotion and honor makes a woman hot, not outer beauty. That will fade with time. Don't get me wrong, if she id good looking too, all the better. I don't have outer beauty high on my list of things that I am looking for in a woman.
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i agree Bee my wife is smokin hot because of the way she is
"THE TOTAL PACKAGE'" it took me a while to find her
i was about to hang it up when i got her email saying
hello and almost didnt answer it as i was fed up with what
was happening. i now think that i am lucky i did answer
the email because a lady picked me and she turned out
wonderful for this old fat man :icon_cheesygrin:
and to top it off her healthy cooking is making me lose weight.
dont get me wrong i wasnt being scammed just that no woman
was really getting my attention fully until she and i started chatting
and now here we are
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I had heard about all the scams and all. This will happen with any place. There is always someone somewhere in a place of business that is trying to scam someone or something. I really dislike scammers. And to be playing on a guys emotions at that. Wonder how long it will be before some guy looses it and starts trouble in one of the agencies because he feels he has been ripped off? I haven't heard of this happening yet. You know, law of averages and all... it may very well happen sometime.
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i wouldnt advise that in china because after u get out of jail
you will be on one of the cargo ships going back the long way :icon_cheesygrin:
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i agree Bee my wife is smokin hot because of the way she is
"THE TOTAL PACKAGE'" it took me a while to find her
i was about to hang it up when i got her email saying
hello and almost didnt answer it as i was fed up with what
was happening. i now think that i am lucky i did answer
the email because a lady picked me and she turned out
wonderful for this old fat man :icon_cheesygrin:
and to top it off her healthy cooking is making me lose weight.
dont get me wrong i wasnt being scammed just that no woman
was really getting my attention fully until she and i started chatting
and now here we are
I don't think I have been scammed either. I had met several women here when I first signed up. Picked one out of three that I was writing to and built up a good relationship too. Talked to her for 6 months and then I got a letter that when I read it I turned and looked at my daughter and said" I think I just got a dear john letter." although she didn't come right out and say it. It took a couple more letters to get the answer out of her. So I reactivated my profile and after a couple days I had like 15 admiration letters. This one letter just stood out from all the others. (and yes, there were ladies that I sent the first letter to.) We have been talking now for two months and I am trying to plan a trip to meet her in march. She is in Singapore. I have had pictures from her that are studio pics as well as three that look like regular everyday shots and also one cell phone picture (I think)too. I don't know if she is taking english classes but I had signed up for chinese classes here but they cancelled the class. Bought a self teach course and have been studying it but thats another subject.
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tell me about it learning chinese has made me feel stupid at times but i am
still pursuing it at a slower pace.instead of just word learning i am learning groups of words
so i can string a sentence along and it seems to be working ok or so so i should say.
learning just a word was keeping me from talking a normal sentence. updates on this in
about a year or two hahahaha
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The program I got latest, I have two, Is called Living Language. They are on the web. I like it the best so far. It had me counting to 1000 by the second cd, there are four in all. It can get daunting at times but I have kept with it. I was thinking of getting an Ipod and putting the cds on it to listen too, my daughters don't like listening to it, because this would help in learning. I have to buckle down and read more of the book though. I have two programs. one was supposed to be the requirement for the class. It was not the living launguage one. (livinglanguage.com) I liked the book of the other program but I haven't done much with the living language book though. When this cat is off of me I will get the other course name for you....
It is just called teach yourself. The ISBN number for the living language course is 978-1-4000-2426-1 and the teach yourself one is, there is 2 for some reason, the first one is 978-0-07-142412-7 and the second one is 0-07-142412-1 The teach yourself cost is $22.95 US and the living language one is $29.95 US. They are both the beginners course. Hope this helps. I don't think that it would be too difficult to learn to speak, but to write the hyroglyphs...
Dave
And don't feel stupid about trying to learn a new language. It took you years to learn to speak english. Just keep trying. Your wife will love you more for it.
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i wouldnt advise that in china because after u get out of jail
you will be on one of the cargo ships going back the long way :icon_cheesygrin:
I would not do anything like that. I am an easy going type. I don't have a quick temper. I was just saying that I am surprised that I have not heard of it hapening yet.
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There was one member that gave them a hard time. I don't remember the whole story but he made sure they know he wasn't happy.
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once i takle the language a little better then it will be
on to the characters so i can read the signs
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once i takle the language a little better then it will be
on to the characters so i can read the signs
What are you using to tackle the language? I am going to get an electronig translator too. I just figure that the more things I have at my disposal to try to communicate with her the better. She says that she is not hesitent about meeting me even though she does not know much english.
There was one member that gave them a hard time. I don't remember the whole story but he made sure they know he wasn't happy.
I was just mentioning it because of the law of averages. Sometime someone is going to go "ballistic" on an agency, you know, just loose it in the place as soon as he finds he has been duped. I'm not going to say anymore on this now. I for one hope that it doesn't happen. IE the agencies smarten up and stop the practice before it gets to that.
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im going to new concept mandarin to learn
ad she is to beautiful to concentrate my teacher that is
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once i takle the language a little better then it will be
on to the characters so i can read the signs
Reading at least some of the signs is a must. I had one girlfriend here who used to take great delight into directing me into the ladies toilets at every opportunity!!!
At least those signs become top of my list as in places outside the big cities they do not have them in English.
Willy
But if a foreigner went into an agency and started shouting and ranting then would they notice? From my time here that seems to be the normal conversation level in offices,restuarants, homes etc.:icon_cheesygrin:
Willy
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its better to ask a pretty lady for help Willy
language first characters second. or you could take
a note from your wife like what your mom did when you were
young
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im going to new concept mandarin to learn
ad she is to beautiful to concentrate my teacher that is
Thats the problem I'm afraid of. My lady says she wants to teach me chinese. I just told her that I would not be able to concentrate on it then. My mind would always be wandering. I think though that we should return this to the original thread....about the scamming agencies and translators... :icon_cool:
once i takle the language a little better then it will be
on to the characters so i can read the signs
Reading at least some of the signs is a must. I had one girlfriend here who used to take great delight into directing me into the ladies toilets at every opportunity!!!
At least those signs become top of my list as in places outside the big cities they do not have them in English.
Willy
But if a foreigner went into an agency and started shouting and ranting then would they notice? From my time here that seems to be the normal conversation level in offices,restuarants, homes etc.:icon_cheesygrin:
Willy
I would have never thought of watching for that!!! The bathroom signs... I mean. That would be funny. Did they not have the little pictograph of the stick man or womam on the sign?
its better to ask a pretty lady for help Willy
language first characters second. or you could take
a note from your wife like what your mom did when you were
young
I had asked a very pretty woman for help with perfume in france a year ago. I did this in my best french which is not too good. She turned around and bent right over in front of me and I just said wooo nice! without thinking and she stood up and said "thankyou" and proceeded to help me. I must have turned 45 shades of red not expecting her to understand or speak any english!!
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well when frank gets here we will visit an agency here in GZ and see how the
operation is being run and i will report the findings here in the forum. i guess the problem
is that all the agencies are independant. which leaves it wide open for some to
play games.
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In re-reading some of the letters from my lady, I could see that you could very easily think that you are being scammed by an agency. I guess that it may have something to do with your frame of mind you have when you read the letters. :dodgy::huh::icon_cheesygrin::s
Dave C
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spoke to Frank a little bit ago on the phone. he has arrived in Guangzhou
and was just arriving at the hotel to check in