China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Ask An Experienced Member => Topic started by: Sylvain D on April 08, 2010, 05:03:15 pm
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Hi there, brothers.
I got one or a few questions in fact, because those last days, Liyan and me are talking more and more about future, and sometimes, I know I can worry and be a little bit "upset" about few things.
Liyan told me that she wanted to have a house in fact, just for her, in China, because she always wanted to have one...
But we talked before about having one in France, buying one together, in fact. Man can easily understand that =====> are we rich? Of course not... we're more poor than rich, for sure... (haha)
but well. She told me "your car, your studio, it belongs to you before and after the marriage, it will always be all yours". I said that for my car, yes, and about my studio, well, my parents bought it, it belongs to them, but they donate it to me, but well, for sure, it is "always" theirs. But that I was very happy to begin my new life with her in the studio, before thinking about a house. And that means, saving money, both.
But Liyan told me that she wanted to buy a house before getting married... :s so that, if one day, she doesn't want to show me anymore, then, she would go there.... (ok, as we were on QQ, I became disapointed for a while)...
as I said to her that if everything would be Ok, we could be married for July, how would she do to buy a house in China, where would she got the money, and if she could buy a house, would that mean that she would marry me, and each month, she "SHOULD" save some money, only for "her" and not for us? why marrying so if she wants to have only HER house and not a common house?
I tried to explain her that yes, having a house in China is quite nice, ok. But as we will live in France, first, that would be better to begin here, saving money together for the house in France, and not her, saving money only for her, and me, saving money for both.
I tried to explain her too, that, without job, that would be very hard to save some money.. In fact, I told her, "how would you do if I had bought myself something very expensive before marrying you, and then, when we live together, each month, I need save money, but I have no job?" and then she found the answer..."if one day we have nothing to eat and that you still save money for you, then I leave you because you are a very bad guy...."
it was a bit "harsh" and bad, because... to me, if someones buys something before wedding, very expensive, and needs to save money while being married, just for his own person (just understand, it is only personal, just for you, nobody else), then, how would man say, that this is also LOVE to be shared when being married, related to that??
To me, and I think I maybe am "right", if man loves someone, he would share many things with the other one, and not say "this is mine, this is yours, you save money for you, i save money for me"... that is very very bad... where is the project, in that sentence, to say than man wants to say "I want to live and to share WITH you"?
I also asked Liyan "if you had that house, now, in China, would you even let me live with you there, or would you say "I never want to see you in the house"... ==> of course she gave the righteous answer, and she realized that yes, thinking about having her own house in China is "very difficult", as she is getting married.. and it seems that it is "worrying" her... but well.. as I told her, we could buy one later in China, when we would go there in maybe 15 years... I know that many things can occur, but well... that's just an idea. And yes, if she had one house in China, if she should give some money each month, while living in France, with no job for a while... how would things go, then? And if she could find some job, later, and that we could buy a house, would she really save money for OUR house and HER house?
Anyway, if my studio is "mine", I am very happy to think that Liyan can live with me everyday, I am very happy to think that I can share it with her", but thinking about money, sometimes, just makes me "thinking" that there are some persons who feel like "personal" before thinking for 2...
Did or does some of your Girlfriends/fiancees/wives talk to you about that before or recently? and what do you think about that?
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Sly , all Liyan wants .. is some security of some kind and have something to fall back on if things don't go the way they should or are planned . You can't really deny her that . On the other hand , it sounds like .. for being that close on getting married .. two teenagers being undecided what to do next . You must take a stand and tell Liyan it will be in France first and that it will take both of your effort's to get a Home there and then .. only then will " WE " concider .. if the funds allow it years later to buy something in China . Period . She also MUST understand your Daughter needs you and can NOT leave France because of your Ex . As two Adult's , you have to get things clear now and not after the wedding .. otherwise it's better it stops right here .
The funny part is , after you did all the fighting for Liyan .. you think she would put in equal effort for you .
Sorry to say Sly , but this put's you two back quite a few steps again .
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Sly,
You have to make it very clear to her that you are only working towards a shared life, and NOT two single lives!!! Any apartment that you Both buy in China will be for the benifit of ''Both of You'' not just Liyan. The truth is, that anything you have now or in the future, should be considered as yours and hers (shared ownership)....
If you start going down this path of ''His and Hers'' your heading for some real big problems later on!!!
David.....
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Sly,
an important part of being in a relationship is planning and working together. asking you to buy a house before being
married is a totally unreasonable thing to ask of you. the importance of that for her is right but if that was so important
why hasnt she bought one already??? is marrying a western man her only option to obtain this?? some harsh words here
but it must be said. if you two care about each other you WORK TOGETHER and as the years go along then you both work
and save and buy the house in China at a later time. You two will be living in France and there will be lots of time to buy
that house in China. I would hold firm in this and not go out and do something that you cant possibly do right now. If she
cannot understand this then she is not the right one and you should move on. the only stipulations when you get married
is that you both LOVE,RESPECT,CARE for each other not put unreasonable demands on the other. seems to me that your
now 3 steps back not 3 steps forward
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Sly,
Don't start dividing up your property before you get married. This is not a healthy thing to do in any relationship. She seems to have an issue with thinking of things as "ours". If you two are planning on marriage then you both should be thinking of things as "ours". Reread your post. I got the impression that she was calling herself a bad woman and you should leave her and find someone else.
Dave C
But Liyan told me that she wanted to buy a house before getting married... :s so that, if one day, she doesn't want to show me anymore, then, she would go there....
.. In fact, I told her, "how would you do if I had bought myself something very expensive before marrying you, and then, when we live together, each month, I need save money, but I have no job?" and then she found the answer..."if one day we have nothing to eat and that you still save money for you, then I leave you because you are a very bad guy...."
it was a bit "harsh" and bad, because... to me, if someones buys something before wedding, very expensive, and needs to save money while being married, just for his own person (just understand, it is only personal, just for you, nobody else), then, how would man say, that this is also LOVE to be shared when being married, related to that??
This is the parts that I am talking about in your post Sly. She seems to be calling herself a very bad girl because she wants to buy something expensive before you marry and then save money after the wedding but keep the house in china for herself only.
Dave C
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Sly,
Don't marry your girlfriend out of desperation! From what you posted, the two of you are on different pages, in life! Like the guys posted above maybe you need to take a good look, with a CLEAR mind, at this relationship and think what the future will be like.......You've been here, to China, a few times but it seem's the confusion is growing for you bro! It should be the other way around! When I chat with you on QQ, it seem's you aren't very relaxed and comfortable about all this...a desperate person will try to control everything every step of the way! You need to find a lady, that your comfortable with and need not worry about everyday! Just my thoughts....:s
Jim
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The fact is, I know what I want... but I think that being engaged and buying something expensive just for ourself and not for "both", is maybe not really like saying we are two but only one, each one on two different sides.
And for sure, as life "should" begin in France, i don't really understand why Liyan would like a house in China before getting married...
Ted, I totally agree with you, and that's what I tried to tell Liyan yesterday.
And if she really wants one house in China before getting married, well, I'd then have to say I can not work for 2 and save money for "3".
maybe she'll tell me something about it tonight... wait & see...
and sorry about the 24 hour rule. however, I believe that sometimes, man can "understand" most things the same day something is said... and not to wait & analyze one full day, before saying something... but maybe am I wrong...
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Numerically, be prepared to pay $ 450,000 RMB for a new fully builted apartment in GZ ... significantly less for an older one. I paided $ 400,000 in Kaiping. 1) My wife and I made the decision together. 2) Her parents will live and take care of the place for us while we're in Toronto. 3) it's a "vacation" home for us/friends during our future visits to China and 4) I can afford it. Note : As a foreigner, it's complicated to get your name as part of the house registration ownership. Investigate this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with Jim, don't marry out of desperation. You're engaged but take your time to decide if you want to get marry with Liyan. Is she REALLY THE ONE ???
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depends on the area here Chong as property is pretty high.
that price will get you a smaller one maybe 60 meters. if not
a little smaller unless you go outside in the country parts of
GZ which really isnt were i would like to be altogether different
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But I don't want to have a house yet in China... how man could pay both a house in France & China, if Liyan will come to France, and not having any job (and for sure she won't get any before many months....), and with only me working, so...?
well...
and saying that she's the one, yes, I just hope she knows I'm not a king. I'm just myself.
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The fact is, I know what I want... but I think that being engaged and buying something expensive just for ourself and not for "both", is maybe not really like saying we are two but only one, each one on two different sides.
You wrote the above.
and saying that she's the one, yes,
Now this ..... Are you sure Liyan's the one for you ?????? I'm not trying to put doubts in your head. We just want you to REALLY THINK BEFORE COMMITTING MARRIAGE.
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Chong, because I know Liyan and me can talk about many things, we both can also understand and have "fears", sometimes. Everyone can also understand that, and I know that Liyan can "worry" about many things. First time she will leave China, first time she will live in a foreign country for x time, and leaving many things in China. I think i maybe should "understand" her more because of so many things.
I know too that Liyan really loves me, and she is honest. She also showed and still shows it to me many times, even if we are so far away one from each other.
I also know that most of time, money is always one of the main problems everyone who is married/engaged or in a simple relationship, has to deal with. and can cause many problems.
About buying a house in China, as she told me "it is a dream", she wishes to have one, but well.. maybe because she is also thinking about many things, maybe is it a little bit "confused" inside her mind... maybe wanting to do many many things, fearing that one day, I would not love her more, then, she would have her own home, and not having to go to her papa and mama's home, nor than her bestfriend's papa home, too. Just hers... I think that, for that, in fact, I must understand.
But well... as I can see on David's signature, man can read "communication is the key"
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One of the reasons I looked to China for a partner is because of the western woman's attitude of "What can you buy me?" I've had my fill of these women.
You care for her and will make excuses for her, but seriously take a look at the whole picture before continuing onto marriage.
I know my lady has not asked for a house in China or here. She did offer her home as "ours" when in China. We will have a place here too of course. She has her place I have mine and they both become OURS. There is no words expressing "in case it doesn't work"?
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Vince, I agree with you, and anyway, that's also what I'm looking for. Just to have "ours", and not only "mine" and "hers" when being engaged and married.
maybe some little update tonight, when I'll have talked to Liyan.
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There is no words expressing "in case it doesn't work"?
Vincenzo ... You hit it right on the dot !!!
If a woman asks for a house, in case the marriage doesn't work, ... is she really the one for you ???
Sly ... my last words on this topic ... if you buy a house for her ... 1) make sure you buy it after you two marry and 2) have your name registered on the deed also.
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In Guangzhou you can as a western person have your name on the
registration for the house. that would be the only way i would do it
Sly-----PUT YOUR NAME ON THE REGISTRATION dont be foolish
because your blinded by this tiny little thing called LOVE
in case it doesnt work DOES NOT sound like someone totally
commited to the relationship sounds like someone just giving
it a shot
this is my last suggestion on this topic also if she doesnt want you
on the registration then i would reconsider and find someone else
harsh but lets not sugar coat this. whats the old saying
you can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig
just a figure of speach as i am not calling anyone a name
just saying that no matter what, the person is still the same
no matter how they try to disguise it
were is the COMMITMENT and TRUST here??????
never heard of this in any relationship were there is
trust commitment MINE thats not the word used in
that case. as far as being out of China well hell 3/4 if
not more of the population hasnt been out of China as they
are not allowed to leave unless they have more to come back
for such as money and a house or the govt seizes it so lets not
use that. and why embark on this if you dont want to leave???
ok enough said your decision and you will have to live with it
right or wrong but dont cry about it if it turns out bad especially
with these warning signs
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Ted, I clearly understand, and for sure, I agree on that.
I've been talking to Liyan, and she understand that yes, we will live in France, so we need to save money to buy a house first here.... and not there.
She knows that later, I wish to live in China with her, so as we talked again about that, we then will buy a house and that will be together, not only her for herself or me only for myself.
that is just clear and right.
I think in fact, too, she maybe is "scared" about that things we call "laws" related to love and house and many other things. I can not explain clearly, sorry, but she just told me "I hate that". She also told me that for sure, she would never ask for my car nor for my studio, but that yes, it would be "fair" to buy something, together, for us, and not to say later "it is mine, no, it's not yours".... and that, finally, it would be very bad.
By the way, I know Liyan was in a flat before moving to Kiki's papa home, just because she had to pay everymonth many money and, when Kiki asked her to "live" with her, she agreed. But I know she was happy anyway to have her "own" home, even if it wasn't hers. but she didn't have to be with someone else, as her parents or friends.
So, maybe, and I say it like that "maybe", would have Liyan had another home to "stay" or to live in, when going back in china, instead that going back to her parents or Kiki's papa home..
I don't try to find any excuse, but I just can say that from today, she was ok with what I've said about having first a house in France, and saving money together for it.
However, I really like your comments, be sure about that.
OK, i've read again my talking with Liyan yesterday and I can "notice" something more.
I know and I've seen that Liyan is thinking sometimes about "negative" related to future. Because of love, she told me a few times that she doesn't really trust in "love for ever", just because that could not be like that, due to her past (deceived about love). I know she had an ex, everything was fine, and one day he left her, just saying that the main reason was that she was "small" for him...
but of course she's not small, or shall that """ guy be more than 2 meters high.
However, when she's with me, she feels fine, but she fears about future... Can I be angry because of that? No, of course no. I know and see she really loves me, because of all the time we spend together on QQ and via mails, and sometimes via phone calls. And she can clearly see how much I really love her, too. and for that, she feels very happy most of time.
Maybe because she needs to be "comforted" about her "negative thoughts about future", then I must show her that yes, living together and a very very very long time is possible. I'm not her past, I'm just myself. I know what I want, I know I am very important to her, so I want to do many things.
As I also said to my parents : "yes I know what I want, I know everything I am doing, and all the "difficulty" it is, for Liyan to leave many things behind her, in China, just to come and live with me. So, no, I don't want to play with her heart and to make her waste her time, nor to make myself waste mine."
I think that, for those from here, like Arnold, who live in U.S and have their chinese wife who "left" China (job, friends, family), they maybe can understand my point of view.
Liyan is "scared", I feel it, that if one day, if our lovestory would be over, she then would have nothing to her.. nothing at all, so... and because of many divorces she has heard about, she is a bit "scared" that it would turn into bad to say what would belong to the man, and what would then belong to the woman. (I also remember about a french man who divorced and cut everything in his house with a saw... the bad "news" was that the laywer said he was right because it was 50/50 for everything in and including the house....) (true story lived in France, 2009)
Maybe because she's never been married, too, and because sometimes, her parents also quarrel, is she scared about that... but I don't know.
Now, to be honest, I don't really remember if she always wanted to have her own house in China, before being married and meeting me, but I know she told me she wouldn't live with Kiki long time, after having moved from her apartment, just because she needed to have her "own" home.... but I've never asked if that would be a house or a flat.... I just remember she told me about that, a few months ago.
I know too, that the brotherhood is really helpful and wants to give me the best comments and "MATURE" comments, and that is very important. And for that, I want to thank you all.
I have nothing more to add here, anybody knows that without communication, there is anyway NO WAY AT ALL to everything.
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Hi there, brothers.
I got one or a few questions in fact, because those last days, Liyan and me are talking more and more about future, and sometimes, I know I can worry and be a little bit "upset" about few things.
Liyan told me that she wanted to have a house in fact, just for her, in China, because she always wanted to have one...
But Liyan told me that she wanted to buy a house before getting married... :s so that, if one day, she doesn't want to show me anymore, then, she would go there....
Did or does some of your Girlfriends/fiancees/wives talk to you about that before or recently? and what do you think about that?
Sly ... Your very first post on this thread was this
Now, to be honest, I don't really remember if she always wanted to have her own house in China, before being married and meeting me, but I know she told me she wouldn't live with Kiki long time, after having moved from her apartment, just because she needed to have her "own" home.... but I've never asked if that would be a house or a flat.... I just remember she told me about that, a few months ago.
Now you write this. I don't know about the rest of the Brotherhood, but I'm totally confused. You tell us one thing, then after countless post replies, you tell us something contradictory.
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I think i maybe should "understand" her more because of so many things.
But well... as I can see on David's signature, man can read "communication is the key"
Sly...you said it your self!!! This will be the key to any relationship...the understanding of the other person! I agree...communication is the key & not one sided communication or understanding!
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Chong, I don't think so in fact.
Before Liyan and me decided to marry each other and bought the rings, in February, I know she told me before she was happy to live with Kiki, but that she felt a bit embarrassed because she had not home for herself. Before, she was in an apartment, but it didn't belong to her. Later she said to me she wished to be able to have another apartment for her, but then, I can not say if she wanted to buy it or just rent it, nor that if she wanted to rent or buy any house. I guess that would had been for some "security" if anything had to be wrong whatever it would had been with me or not, so that she could go there without being embarrassed to go back to her parent's home, or to her bestfriend's papa home. I think that now you better understand. And when we bought the rings, well, she didn't talk to me about that "wish" anymore.
Sorry if I make you confused, Chong :-/
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Helllllllllllllllllllllllp me to understand all this somebody??????
i dont know how to help in this dilema until someone tells
me what the problem is we keep going from one extreme to
the other.
Chong-- if you figure out before me please tell me
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Sly,
I'm not the one who's confused ... You're. I think you should apply the 24 hour rule on YOURSELF before making any postings.
These are your own words ...
Post # 1 ... Liyan and I have been talking. Liyan wants to buy a house just for her before marriage for security.
Post # 17 ... I honestly don't remember if what I said in Post # 1 actually was discussed. She doesn't like living with Kiki and she wants her own house someday.
Post # 20 ... Liyan's happy to live with Kiki. But she wants her own home but I can't remember if it's buying or renting. After we exchanged rings in February, she didn't want to talk about her "house" wish anymore.
Yet here we're talking about this because you started this thread because ... Liyan and you were talking these few days because she wants to buy a house. ... and now back to Post # 1. Your words are going around in circles.
Am I making up all of these facts ?
No !
These are your own words.
Sly, take a break from this subject. Once you're completely sure what's going on, then come back.
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Maybe there is a language problem behind all this?
First, BUYING a HOUSE even in China is not cheap. My lady had said only millionaires have houses (within the cities).
Some will say a HOUSE, but mean a HOME / CONDO / APARTMENT?
So Sly, I think as we are seeing it, and the way you are? seems different. Do you have a plan to LIVE in China after she moves to France? If not WHY would you buy a home in China? Just so she has a place to live until she moves to France?
"Why does she not just rent till then?" This same sentence I will ask in a different way.
Why doesn't she rent a place now? Does she work and have a job? or is she depending on you to pay the rent for her?
You say you want to marry her and have the normal life? But I think she is pulling you in a different direction. I hate to say this but it sounds more like she wants a Sugar Daddy? To Pay her bills, support her and get to visit her. Hell, if that's what it is? Then you can do that here in the US. Here in South Florida there are plenty of young models looking for this. They don't care if your rich or not as long as you can pay their bills, credit cards and rent?
My lady OWNS a few places. She rents them out and lives with her sister. She doesn't have to work but she does. Months back, she was in the hospital but didn't even tell me? I happen to call her phone when she was. She has never asked for ANY money for anything. Even sending flowers? She says don't waste money. Save the money to come to her. Do you see the difference?
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I'm beginning to think this is a 3 way language problem and nothing else. We have to remember that Sly is French and although his English is pretty good it's not perfect. He often gets his tenses mixed up, which is normally not a problem for us to sort out here...lol!! But then you have to remember that there is also translation going on between Liyan and Sly too... I think that there has been some misunderstandings in there translations on this, and related subjects.... Liyan meaning one thing and Sly interpreting something different!!!
Hell i can't count how many times that has happened to me during my working life in China...lol!!
Just one of the things you have to cope and get to grips with when your dealing between 2 completely different languages, and especially when like Sly is, ....dealing with three languages!!!
All i can say is rather him than me!! ...hahaha!!!
David.....
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The problem is that Sly's soliciting advice here. He started the thread. If he can't ask us proper questions because he doesn't even know the questions himself, the opinions coming his way ain't going to help him one bit. It's just going to confuse the situation even MORE. He's visited Liyan twice face-to-face; they have some sort of personal communication vibe.
If she said ..." I want to buy a house" ... what's so hard to understand about that statement.
It's not like they're talking about China social economic policy towards urban working conditions under the current world-wide financial recovery period for the first fiscal quarter of 2010..
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Vince,
in Guangzhou a foriegner can own a house here as long as it is
used for their personal residence and is not to be rented out to
anyone for the purpose of an investment. the govt here just
recently started that. but i think it will not spread around to
the whole of China.
Ted
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Vince,
in Guangzhou a foriegner can own a house here as long as it is
used for their personal residence and is not to be rented out to
anyone for the purpose of an investment. the govt here just
recently started that. but i think it will not spread around to
the whole of China.
Ted
I am at the moment buying an apartment in Chengdu. I am allowed to own it (99 year lease....not freehold) providing I pay upfront and do not get a local Mortgage !!!!.....dont understand why....but just go with the flow...different culture, different rules :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
David
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David E,
You sure it's a 99 year lease?? The most i've seen is 70 years, then the government can take the property back, unless they let you renew the lease of course.
Mind you, after 70 years the building can be in a real bad state, and be due for demolition... they just don't seem to understand the meaning of ''maintenance'' of the fabric in China. Though things are changing all be it very slowly.
Some buildings can look as if there 50 years old after about 10 years, ...hahaha!!!
David....
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Some buildings can look as if there 50 years old after about 10 years, ...hahaha!!!
David....
Ain't that the truth!!! Yes, the building of most is sub-par and within a year, the exterior's are showing it!
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I think that's because they tile EVERYTHING even ceilings, the footpaths where I live are even tiled & it's mountain country so they are deadly to walk on & the tiles look grotty and old within months.........whatever happened to painting buildings and non slip concrete. In the smaller city's like Fuling where I live (1 million people) you can own a home.
The dump I live in has 3 bedrooms, dining, lounge, kitchen, bathroom & would tidy up quite nicely was sold recently for only 200,000rmb so pretty cheap really.
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70 Years only David! Well I am 60 now so you mean I have only got another 70 years in the place I want to buy then I am out!!! What will I do then at that age?
Willy
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Here in Kaiping,Guangdong ... it's 60 years. Our building is brand new. We pay 90 RMB per month towards security and maintenance. My mother-in-law's place is 20 years old and looks like a rat hole. I'm not kidding, there are mices and roaches in the staircases. Residents just care about their interior space and not the common areas. They don't have any security or maintenance program in place.
My wife says that community property is the law in China for residence homes regards husband and wife.
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Chong,
That's right, it is normally 60 years but there are a few provinces that issue 70 year leases. I've never heard of, or come across a 99 year lease to date...
Yes it is the common areas that are left uncared for. Some owners/residents will clean outside there front door, but they are few and far between...lol!!
Some of the new ultra modern developments are incorporating communal area cleaning into there maintenance charge, which will cover communal staircases and floor lobbies, as well as the external communal areas.
Lots of improvements need to be made in the construction and provision of maintenance facilities on new developments. It is improving, but far too slowly, ....basically because of the costs involved in such improvements!!!
David.....
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ive never heard of the 99 year lease either but i am glad to hear westerners
can buy in other cities. I live in Guangzhou and for what ever reason they seem
to be the first in many matters i China for whatever reason. looks like they were
dragging their feet on this one.
we pay 75 a month for our outside maintenance and i must say they do a really
great job here. they paint the stairwells when needed, they repaint the gates every
other month but it amuses me they dont know what a drop cloth is. on one side you
can see were the paint bucket was as he dripped paint walking with the brush to
paint the gate lol!!!! that is just to funny move the bucket closer to your work???
they also wash down the stairs every last day of the month so when you get to
the front gate on the last day at mid day you can have a koi pond there but i
must really give them an a for effort
but the building is 9 years old and you would think its as old as i am and thats old lol!!!
and they empty the trash buckets outside at 5 am and at 7 pm
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The main problem for these buildings looking like ''Tips'' after just a few years, is that there is no provision for maintenance of the exteriors to these blocks. On similar western buildings provision would be made for cradle hoists so that cleaning is provided for, along with painting and minor exterior repairs...
If only some of these developers utilised some of the modern exterior surfaces and paints, (many of which are ''self cleaning'')....these buildings could easily look so much better than they presently do after 5 to 10 years!! With so much pollution in Chinese cities they really do need these modern finishes on their buildings.
But alas the Chinese business philosophy once again comes into play, and saving a few RMB is far more important than what there building is going to look like, a few years down the line.....
David.......
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On the cleaning, heck, what does it take to get a broom and sweep your porch or the entrance, perhaps put a flower pot or two
next to your door. A little sprucing up takes nothing and can be infectious with the neighbors. Rats, mice and other critters would
not come around. Doesn't anyone care around there at all :huh: The parks are beautiful and outside is the same, so what is
the problem with were they live ??? I would think that my front porch would be the first thing. Climbing over garbage to get
in my room is just beyond my thinking. :s
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rockycoon,
Yep!!, I couldn't agree more with you, the mind just has to boggle as to what they are thinking, by leaving all that crap outside there own front door!!!
David....
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Rocky, I would imagine the reason parks are so beautiful is because they are state owned and maintained. Wake up early and you'll probably see the army of cleaners. Streets too.
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David E,
You sure it's a 99 year lease?? The most i've seen is 70 years, then the government can take the property back, unless they let you renew the lease of course.
David....
My "Brother-in-Law -to-be" is handling all the detail, and I am only listening to what he is telling me !!....he is a "High Power" in the Local Government...so who knows what will transpire in the end. But if it's only 50, 60 or 99 years Lease, I wont give a hoot !!!...I'll be pushing up daisies long before then !!!
Just seems a better idea than having to rent short-term or stay in Hotels when I go to China with Ming to see family etc . And just maybe she will eventually persuade me to stay there and teach or something :icon_cheesygrin:
Anyway, I will get to find out the real story next week when I am over there (Yippee !!!!!)
David
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David E,
Yeah, you go have a great trip now, ...nothing like knowing, what your going too and who your going to be with.
As i said all the properties that we have bought came with a 60 year lease, apart from the last one, that had a 70 year lease. Like yourself we let Lucy's father sort out everything, if and when Lucy or i can't get there. Always seems to go much smoother when he does things anyway...lol!!! One thing, the property you purchase will have to be in Ming's name, with your name showing, ....only what they call there ''an interest'' haha!!!
All our properties are in new developments and are basically our investments, ....all are rented out!!! When we go to China, either together or on our own, we stay at her parents apartment, ....It's oldish, but a big un, around 200 sq/m!! haha!!
Yes, Oh So True, we'll all be pushing up those daises long before any of the leases run out....lol!!
David.....
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Yes Dave
I agree that buying property in China for investment is a much better proposition than here in Aus. We cant get anything better than a dog box for less than a million dollars !!!
And our new "socialist" Government under Rudd the Mouth regards anybody who has more than $5 as a bloated plutocrat and must be taxed untill your nose bleeds !!!
I want to move as much of my asset base off-shore whilst I can...because this lot is eyeing off local assets as a potential taxation windfall :dodgy:
It is possible for me to legally use Ming as a foreign wife to own 50% of my assets...and this is the loophole I hope to dive through. Mind you, there is a risk...she could nip off with the lot and its all gone...that's why I have been so cautious in my search for my Chinese Princess (amongst other reasons ):icon_cheesygrin:
So I will have some interesting times in Chengdu for the next 2 weeks as I try to make this plan unfold !!
Cheers
David
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David E,
Well when you find the right woman for you like i have, the idea of her running off taking the lot, just doesn't even come to mind. Jeez, ...i'd be a mental wreck if i did ...haha!!
Just in the 4 Chinese properties so far, i'm in for over 2 million RMB alone!!!!
No, ....I trust her completly as she does me. She's not short of a few bob herself, so money has never been an issue with her.
I agree, with your plan too, you have to use all means available these days to stop these thieving bureaucrats from getting there hands on your hard earned cash/assets. It used to pay to be up front with everything (well with in reason..lol!!) but these days it just doesn't pay to be honest at all, cause they will just want to take more ...haha!!!
David........
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i did that just liquidated everything and brought cash to China
so the govt couldnt take anymore from me. thats a good idea to
do this if your plan is to be here for the duration.
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well it been pretty quite here from Sly. maybe all the issues
are getting sorted out between the two of them which would
be a good thing
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Heard from sly the other day...This problem about his broadband is why he is not on as much...:icon_cheesygrin:
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how long does it take to resolve a broadband issue in France???
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how long does it take to resolve a broadband issue in France???
He may be resolving more than a broadband issue. I think it is good that he take some time to get things straightened out whether it be with people or tech issues. As long as they get worked out in a good way though. :icon_biggrin:
Dave C
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i agree whole heartedly
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Hi there.
The problem about broadband is still active, I still can not connect from home, or I can, by using my phone as modem, then, I must pay a bit some money for that... but it's not very easy.
About Liyan and house in China, the problem is over, we focus about papers for her to come in France. Still in the process.
However, sorry maybe because sometimes, I should also improve again and again my english and understandings about many things and sentences... that's also the same about chinese...
but well.. i don't really want to "talk many times about all that..."
Actually, I just know Liyan and me will live in my studio for a while (let's see how many months), and maybe in 1 or 2 years, we will be thinking about bigger...
I'm sorry too because I did not read everything you posted since my last reply, I will do later, just because now, I'm at work... and some "few" problems with my boss...
(I'm also looking for applying on new jobs outside that ### company)
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Sly,
I for one am glad you two got the house issue resolved. I did not want to sound mean but the whole issue sounded a little fishy to me. I just wanted to make sure you were not going to get screwed over.
I also know about those bosses that look over your shoulder while you are on the computer. I used to hate that. I used to go stand behind him when I saw that he was chatting with his girlfriend on-line instead of working. :icon_cheesygrin:
I hope that you get the broadband issue resolved soon.
Dave C
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Sly,
I for one am glad you two got the house issue resolved. I did not want to sound mean but the whole issue sounded a little fishy to me. I just wanted to make sure you were not going to get screwed over.
I also know about those bosses that look over your shoulder while you are on the computer. I used to hate that. I used to go stand behind him when I saw that he was chatting with his girlfriend on-line instead of working. :icon_cheesygrin:
I hope that you get the broadband issue resolved soon.
Dave C
I see you are not working there anymore. LOL
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I see you are not working there anymore. LOL
Yes, I took them up on their excellent retirement offer! LOL!! :icon_cheesygrin:
Dave C
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Sly, the house subject will reappear, seems to be a cultural thing prompted by worried parents. I am in a similar situation with a request to buy a place in Jiangmen in my wife's name, except that my mom in law will make a large down payment, I only need to cover monthly payments... we will check this out in the next few months and get some figures. I was planning to buy a secondary residence in Jiangmen anyhow, after all my wife's friends are all there.
I'm sure the subject will arise again in the future for you, but then the price and monthly payments are not a big deal depending where you buy, and you will have your own pied à terre, if the place is not invaded by your family that is :icon_cheesygrin:
Cheers,
Frank