China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Newbies Corner => Topic started by: odysseus007 on April 25, 2010, 02:11:04 pm
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Today I happened to look at a lady's profile whom I used to write to, and voila! totally new person ! As expected, I had my suspicions as to the authenticity of the profile, and I think today that pretty much confirms it. I sent the following complaint ticket to CHNLove, and now let's see what happens. I also attach the "before & after" photos for you to decide. Let this be a lesson & warning to the newbies... about thinking with the wrong head !!! The name alone should have been warning enough - what a magnificent fraud ! And of course, the agency had to be the notorious GZB, who else?
"Previously, I have been communicating with a lady, Magnificent Luo - GZB273467, but later I felt that her photos were not of the same person at all, and her letters seem to be written by the translator, so I stopped communication. Today I was surprised to see that she has changed her photos to a completely different person! I have been defrauded! In total I have had 5 letters between me and the lady. I want a refund of 5 credits. Give me an email address, if you want proof of the photos, because now her profile do not have the earlier photos anymore. Thank you!
Larry
Before :[attachment=2045][attachment=2046][attachment=2047]
During communication (photos get hotter!) :[attachment=2049][attachment=2048][attachment=2050][attachment=2051]
After (boy, what a difference!) :[attachment=2052][attachment=2053]
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The last photo in after shots is at The Venetian hotel in Macau! I took my wife there in October...very nice just like vegas!
This is definitely two different women! I love to see the response you get! chnlove is really dig a deep hole for themselves and their friendly agencys! I know the two agencys in Changsha P216 &P218 are real screwy! It's unfortunate, for the women that pay much money to join, that they have to deal with the B.S too!!! I know several women that joined both agencys and only three have had success! One of them didn't know about man till he arrived(they are actually getting along great) & the man couldn't believe this crap! And of course the old bait and switch happened with another man, I met! These problems come from both agencys!
Chnlove has to be fully aware of this crap and they wipe their hands clean, by blaming agencys. Both sides are crooks...there are maybe a couple of honest agencys that chnlove deal with...all the rest will do anything to get you to come to China! Then cheat you the rest of the way....simply SAD!
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Yeah, now I catch them with their pants down, let me see what they do eh? If necessary, let's bring down the whole rotten shebang, unless they compensate me. However can you believe it, CHNLove does NOT have a function where you can attach photographic evidence. So I asked them to give me an email address to send the pics to.
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Unfortuately, it's the same lady ... abeit with photoshopping [ especially the cheeks & waistline ], lots of mascara [ makes her eyes bigger ] & hair extensions. The very first photograph reveal the same eyes.
IMHO, you're out of luck. The agency will claim that the lady was trying to put her best profile picture to make her the most attractive possible. During your communication, you still didn't get a real life photo. Real life photos are the ones she placed later in her profile ... not the ones showing skimpy outfits, over-sized sunglasses and breastlines. If you want the same woman that you're attracted to, tell her to lose 15 lbs, wear make-up 24/7, grow her hair and wear sexy outfits.
The reason she decided to reveal her real photos is because she getting lots of rejections after the men sees the difference between the photoshop and her real-life pics. Now she wants someone to like her for the real her.
Chalk your 5 EMF money loss to gaining experience.
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Unfortuately, it's the same lady ... abeit with photoshopping [ especially the cheeks & waistline ], lots of mascara [ makes her eyes bigger ] & hair extensions. The very first photograph reveal the same eyes.
IMHO, you're out of luck. The agency will claim that the lady was trying to put her best profile picture to make her the most attractive possible. During your communication, you still didn't get a real life photo. Real life photos are the ones she placed later in her profile ... not the ones showing skimpy outfits, over-sized sunglasses and breastlines. If you want the same woman that you're attracted to, tell her to lose 15 lbs, wear make-up 24/7, grow her hair and wear sexy outfits.
The reason she decided to reveal her real photos is because she getting lots of rejections after the men sees the difference between the photoshop and her real-life pics. Now she wants someone to like her for the real her.
Chalk your 5 EMF money loss to gaining experience.
Which unfortunately for her, is not gonna happen. And I don't think it's the same gal. It's like Angelina Jolie vs the Sea Hag. Even photoshopping can't make up the diff. From a 8.5 to a 4? Come on!
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And I don't think it's the same gal. It's like Angelina Jolie vs the Sea Hag. Even photoshopping can't make up the diff. From a 8.5 to a 4? Come on!
This subject is a broken record that has been discussed since the ChnLove FaceBook Forum days. You may want to refer to that site for more info on what we wrote.
Most guys have gotten a real-lfe pic, compared it with their lady's profile pic, then stopped writing to them because their fantasy ended with reality. I too was guilty of this MANY times. I too wasted many EMF credits. I know how you feel.
Do you think Angelina Jolie looks good WITHOUT make-up ??? All her celebrity and magazine photos are photoshop as well.
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Hahaha.... I'm so sorry for Brad Pitt then :icon_cheesygrin:, sacrificing himself to save us from the Sea Hag.
Ok, I have seen many cases when the girl herself sent me everyday pics at the first reply, and they are like when they wake up first thing in the morning before they comb their hair, wash their face, brush teeth, & pee. And yes, I can accept waking up with her the morning after. Not this case, this is NOT the same girl.
How would you like to order a Ferrari and receive a Zaporozhets (cheapest made in Russia car).
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And I don't think it's the same gal. It's like Angelina Jolie vs the Sea Hag. Even photoshopping can't make up the diff. From a 8.5 to a 4? Come on!
This subject is a broken record that has been discussed since the ChnLove FaceBook Forum days. You may want to refer to that site for more info on what we wrote.
Most guys have gotten a real-lfe pic, compared it with their lady's profile pic, then stopped writing to them because their fantasy ended with reality. I too was guilty of this MANY times. I too wasted many EMF credits. I know how you feel.
Do you think Angelina Jolie looks good WITHOUT make-up ??? All her celebrity and magazine photos are photoshop as well.
I suppose I was one of the lucky ones, in as far as the real life pics were not too far from the real deal. The only issue, was her pics had been posted for several years, and naturally she aged a few years. Funny how that happens.
Just a question, and I am not trying to draw fire, or put anyone on the spot, but are you interested in a picture, or in the lady?
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Just a question, and I am not trying to draw fire, or put anyone on the spot, but are you interested in a picture, or in the lady?
On Chnlove with over 6,000 profiles, you choose the pic first ... since most bio information is generic ... i.e. I like to make tea for you. :icon_cheesygrin:
Physical attraction first, then get to know her personality & character ... that's Internet Dating Life. On the other hand, if you meet them face-to-face for the first time [ on a visit to China ], then you can access all three criterias at the same time.
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Martin,
If she aged a few years, I will accept that. Most of the 48-52 year olds on CHN have the looks of Playboy bunnies, of course it's caveat emptor.
Here it is a case of an entirely different person. If anybody has one of those biometric face recognition softwares they use at airports & banks, let that give an unbiased opinion. You can lose or gain weight, but bone structure is unchangeable short of drastic surgery or serious traffic accident, etc.
My answer is both. If the appearance does not matter at all, then there will be no need to post photos on CHN. But if the personality is not matching then it does not work either. I think that should be obvious to most of us. If I just want a homely cow, there are plenty right at my doorstep, there is no need to go to the trouble & expense of importing one.
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I must agree with Lawrence on this . These are TWO different Women . Just look at the Chin's of the last two Pic's . NO way are those the same Woman . Look at her lower Lip of the last two Pic's ( thin ) the other's are ( fat lower ) .
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Thanks Arnold,
No way you can change things like the chin & lip, cept for plastic surgery, and then who ever changes them for the worse?
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No way you can change things like the chin & lip, cept for plastic surgery, and then who ever changes them for the worse?
Well, unless they have a really good photoshop program and are skilled at using it, but I doubt that's the case.
Have you been defrauded by the photos and the profile. I'd say yes you have. Are you going to get anywhere with Chnlove in trying to get a refund? Based on other brothers who have tried, I'd say it's not likely.
I have to agree with Chong, this has been discussed before.
I guess that we are all here looking for true love, really looking for our life's partner that it makes it even more difficult to deal with the fact that we run into such situations. Plus the ChnLove web site won't let you send out more then a small number of admirer letters to ladies. I found this early on. the warning came up that these ladies are here looking for honest true love and marriage to someone genuine so you should be discriminating with how many admirer notes you send out. I guess this practice leads us to believe that all the ladies here are genuine. What I found out early on after coming to this forum that, that is not the case. I guess I have a more jaded view of the world. I figure hey, I got boondoggled, shame on them for their deceit. On the other hand, this IS the internet, and scams are here just as much in the real world. I guess I just rack it up to the "cost of doing business." Now mind you I'm not here with an open wallet and just dishing out cash all over the place, but sometimes I just sit and kind of roll my eyes when another "HEY I got swindled" thread comes up. Maybe that's a character flaw of mine, and I'm willing to admit it. But the truth is that we all have our horror stories. Weather it's from an internet dating site where we were given fake photos or we've met a woman in the real world that turned out to be other then who she represented herself to be. I'd venture to guess that is part of the reason most of us are here, we're tired of the crap dished out by the western ladies. But truth be told, there are ladies who will dish out the crap in any part of the world.
Now I don't want to sound cold hearted. Larry, I'm really sorry you got swindled. I've been there, I know how it feels, and I hope you don't become as jaded as I get sometimes. But in all honesty I think the best thing that you can do is pick yourself up, brush off the dirt and move forward with a positive bright attitude. I hope it doesn't happen again to you, but be aware of where you are and that you're dealing with quite a few unknown factors.
I've read in some posts that the men who have found success here truly count themselves among the blessed ones. I would have to agree, they are truly blessed. Just keep plugging forward. If there is one thing I've learned from this site is that there are a lot of truly lovely ladies who are looking for truthful, loyal and loving husbands, and they will return your love and loyalty back to you 1,000 fold. However, to find those nuggets of gold, you have to wade through a lot of muck and get a little mud in your boots.
With sincerity.
David
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Thanks for the kind words & encouragement, David. No, this does not faze me one bit. Because I have been to 7 provinces in China, and visited the Middle Kingdom more than 10 times. And because nobody ever takes me, without payback. The last time I made a complaint, it took me a long time & many messages, but eventually CHN had to refund me credits. Not money, just credits. Rare is the occasion when I did not get my pound of flesh & justice. When doing business with the Chinese, if you show weakness, they will eat you alive.
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You will not win with chnlove. You are wasting your time. The guys here tried to tell me and I had to find it out for myself. I had the issue nailed to the wall and they just turned a blind eye to me. I went to cherry blossoms, did a lot of research, spoke to about 20 women for $20.00 a month and found the most wonderful woman in the world. As others have said learn, grow, and keep plugging away at it.
Shaun
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Thanks Shaun,
But let's see if I can prove you wrong. There should be some consumer protection. As I write this I have received a very detailed reply inviting submission of full details PLUS photos. We shall see what they do with the facts, eh?
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Because I have been to 7 provinces in China, and visited the Middle Kingdom more than 10 times.
Why are you even on ChnLove ???
After visiting China myself [ where I met my wife ], I wouldn't use ChnLove or any other sites if I had to do it all over again. The best way to find a Chinese wife is to go and visit China and make personal connections/networking. As I wrote in a previous thread, lots of local 'Aunties' are more than willing to set men up with blind dates. Because of the cost of time and money, I know this is not an option for most men; hence, they have to rely on the Internet sites.
During your trips, did you meet any prospects ???
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Because I have been to 7 provinces in China, and visited the Middle Kingdom more than 10 times.
Why are you even on ChnLove ???
After visiting China myself [ where I met my wife ], I wouldn't use ChnLove or any other sites if I had to do it all over again. The best way to find a Chinese wife is to go and visit China and make personal connections/networking. As I wrote in a previous thread, lots of local 'Aunties' are more than willing to set men up with blind dates. Because of the cost of time and money, I know this is not an option for most men; hence, they have to rely on the Internet sites.
During your trips, did you meet any prospects ???
Because for the last 2 years I only went once. I was not working full time back when I was travelling there. I did meet 25-30 ladies whom I would consider potential girlfriend material. I made the sweetest & smartest one my girlfriend for 2 years, so umm the others were kind of wasted after all. Now the runner ups are mostly taken. AND they have seen me with my girl, so none of them could compare, so they gave up as well.
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Because for the last 2 years I only went once. I was not working full time back when I was travelling there. I did meet 25-30 ladies whom I would consider potential girlfriend material.
So you, above most guys here on the Forum, should know that the majority of ladies DON'T look like their made-up profile pictures in real life.
I wasn't arguing whether that lady is the same or not, just giving my opinion for whatever it's worth. With your wealth of travelling experience, I would consider another trip to China ... if you have the time. Or at least, plan to meet a ChnLove lady soon and have a Plan "B" just in case.
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Because for the last 2 years I only went once. I was not working full time back when I was travelling there. I did meet 25-30 ladies whom I would consider potential girlfriend material.
So you, above most guys here on the Forum, should know that the majority of ladies DON'T look like their made-up profile pictures in real life.
I wasn't arguing whether that lady is the same or not, just giving my opinion for whatever it's worth. With your wealth of travelling experience, I would consider another trip to China ... if you have the time. Or at least, plan to meet a ChnLove lady soon and have a Plan "B" just in case.
I try to meet at least 2-3 ladies per trip, plus do some sightseeing & shopping & eating as well. That is why I cannot go too often, since I try to be very sure I am not wasting my trip. And I don't mean all of them being ladies from CHN. I usually have a Plan B & a Plan C too, in case there is some interesting business opportunity I found.
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For me it is difficult to tell for sure. If you look closely at photo 5 you can tell she has no bangs cut into her hair style. I don't think that she has extensions in most of the photos. Not too sure about some of the rest. In photo 6 there is a date in the lower left corner, 2007 3. So you know that this photo is about three years old. (if the date was set properly in the camera) To me it looks like the first 8 photos are older and the last 2 are maybe the newest. Maybe a little more age and weight? :huh:
Dave C
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Put aside looks for a moment!! ....The lady in the first photo would no-way even contemplate wearing such a chunky and unfashionable watch that the second lady is wearing!! You can see that there are two completly different personalities going on here, ....Girl about town, and Dependable Lilly.... These two personalities are like chalk and cheese!!!!
David....
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These two personalities are like chalk and cheese!!!!
Then again, how do you explain the librarian by day & fashionista diva by night ??? :icon_cool:
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These two personalities are like chalk and cheese!!!!
Then again, how do you explain the librarian by day & fashionista diva by night ??? :icon_cool:
To be sure I'm not marrying any Jekyll & Hyde anyway, duhhh.
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Put aside looks for a moment!! ....The lady in the first photo would no-way even contemplate wearing such a chunky and unfashionable watch that the second lady is wearing!! You can see that there are two completly different personalities going on here, ....Girl about town, and Dependable Lilly.... These two personalities are like chalk and cheese!!!!
David....
Right on there, astute observation.
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Put aside looks for a moment!! ....The lady in the first photo would no-way even contemplate wearing such a chunky and unfashionable watch that the second lady is wearing!! You can see that there are two completly different personalities going on here, ....Girl about town, and Dependable Lilly.... These two personalities are like chalk and cheese!!!!
David....
I did not notice the different watches. Thanks for pointing them out. It certainly could be two different girls. But there is possibly 3 years time pass from the one fashion statement to the next fashion statement. A girls likes in fashion could change drasticly in 3 years time.
In my opinion it certainly could be 2 different girls here. (maybe sisters?)
I am just not 100% sure though.
Dave C
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There is a very good way to solve this whole problem. China Love Links or Cherry Blossoms.
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Looks like two different girls to me? First one is a model with pro photos. The second is just??? Not the first girl.
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Okay, latest developments :
For all of you who said, don't bother, they won't refund you anything... And for those who were not sure they were pictures of 2 totally different girls :
Here's the verbatim reply, not only from CHNLove, but also attached a reply from GZB's boss (which I will have to attach because it is a picture file) which may be true, or a face-saving excuse for being caught red-handed doing their bait & switch. In any case I got refunded TWO credits for my trouble. So for me, case closed. No point pursuing further.
From CHNLove :
Dear Lawrence,
Thanks for your message again and your patience on this matter.
For your concern below, please be kindly noted that our Intendance Department have looked into this matter. They made a phone call to Ms. Magnificent Luo-GZB273467 and from the feedback they got, Ms. Luo did not request the agency to change her photo. She felt surprised that this incident happened.
On the other hand, our Intendance Dept. received feedback from the agency GZB. You may find the attachment for your reference.
We feel regretful for the unprofessional work by the agency GZB. We have contacted the manager of the agency GZB and requested him to pay more attention to this issue and take effective measure to improve the quality of their service. We will watch closely the agency's future performance and make evaluation. You may set you heart at rest.
Also, we forwarded your case to our Refund Evaluation Team. To thank you for your patience and understanding on this issue, they would like to present you 2 free credits as a special offer. Hopefully it could help you enjoy better communication with your lady. :-)
Thanks again for your support to our service. Please feel free to let us know if you have additional question or concern. We'll be glad to help our sincere clients.
Kind regards,
Vicki Chow
Qpid Network Customer Care
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Lawrence , I guess giving back 2 Credit's is a norm with them . When I had a run-in with them ones .. same thing . For the trouble this has cost you , it should be in the 50 area not a misely 2 Credit's .. just not to loose you as a Member . Goes to show how much they appreciate their Customer's at Chnlove .
Thanks for the final info. on this matter .
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Lawrence , I guess giving back 2 Credit's is a norm with them . When I had a run-in with them ones .. same thing . For the trouble this has cost you , it should be in the 50 area not a misely 2 Credit's .. just not to loose you as a Member . Goes to show how much they appreciate their Customer's at Chnlove .
Thanks for the final info. on this matter .
True, it cost me 5 credits, and I only get back 2. But I put them to a lot of trouble as well. And will do so again, anytime I get any of this crap again. The lesson is, perseverance is everything. If I wanted, I could bug them til I get back the full 5 credits. But I can make better use of my time than doing this.
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I hate to pee in your corn flakes but, I don't know how you can see this as a victory. You still lost approximately $12.00 and that is extremely small compared to many others. I lost about $300.00 on their support of liars and cheats. Split the difference at $144.00 and multiply it by the number of people who have been cheated and you see real quick they are making millions. You give them $20.00 and they say oops, we're sorry. Here let me give you back $8.00. Seems fair to me.
I invested $60.00 over three months and found a winner of a woman. Whats more I do not have to deal with chnlove or an agency in their deceit. Plus when we marry neither one of us have to deal with the outrageous marriage fee.
Don't want to sound like sour grapes here but take your money and spend it on blossoms or china love links. At least there you have a better chance in winning.
Shaun
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Don't want to sound like sour grapes here but take your money and spend it on blossoms or china love links. At least there you have a better chance in winning.
Shaun,
I agree with your post especially about the revenue business part. Although let's remember that guys have had success with ChnLove. I also met my wife away from ChnLove. If I had to start all over again, here's the order I would do ...
1) Network at home with local Chinatown [ if there is one ]
2) Choose a city & visit China and network with locals
3) Sites that charge a monthly fee with unlimited free messaging
4) Sites like ChnLove that charge per EMF.
5) if using # 3 0r # 4 ... visit within 3 months
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I hate to pee in your corn flakes but, I don't know how you can see this as a victory. You still lost approximately $12.00 and that is extremely small compared to many others. I lost about $300.00 on their support of liars and cheats. Split the difference at $144.00 and multiply it by the number of people who have been cheated and you see real quick they are making millions. You give them $20.00 and they say oops, we're sorry. Here let me give you back $8.00. Seems fair to me.
I invested $60.00 over three months and found a winner of a woman. Whats more I do not have to deal with chnlove or an agency in their deceit. Plus when we marry neither one of us have to deal with the outrageous marriage fee.
Don't want to sound like sour grapes here but take your money and spend it on blossoms or china love links. At least there you have a better chance in winning.
Shaun
I AM on CLL Shaun.
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Good. You will find success there too. And for those of you, like Chong, who found your wonderful wife on chnlove I applaud you. You are one of the few who succeeded. But you will have to admit the failure rate is far greater than the success rate. And it is all about success. So please understand I do applaud you.
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Good. You will find success there too. And for those of you, like Chong, who found your wonderful wife on chnlove I applaud you. You are one of the few who succeeded. But you will have to admit the failure rate is far greater than the success rate. And it is all about success. So please understand I do applaud you.
Yes, dollar for dollar you get far more contacts on CLL, as Ted who recommended it to me attests. Anyway I am just using up my remaining credits on CHN, so it's not like I'm spending a lot on any particular lady there, I set limits before direct contact.
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Good. You will find success there too. And for those of you, like Chong, who found your wonderful wife on chnlove I applaud you. You are one of the few who succeeded. But you will have to admit the failure rate is far greater than the success rate. And it is all about success. So please understand I do applaud you.
No Shaun ... you misread my post ... I found my wife AWAY from ChnLove. I would use ChnLove as a LAST resort. I'm a big proponent of visiting China to meet ladies face-to-face. But that's only because my circumstance allows it. I know that others can't do the same. I did start using ChnLove and I didn't like the way they operate. I rather use a site that offers monthly fees rather than individual EMF fees. Both type of sites have their own pro(s) and con(s). The bottom line is that guys will find success on both ... Hopefully :icon_cool:
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Chong,
Wow. I did read it wrong. Old age my friend, I guess. :huh: I remembered when I was replying though I must of had it wrong. You met a kind old gentleman in an elevator who worked at a hotel and he introduced you to your wife. :icon_cheesygrin:
Sorry for the mis-read.
Shaun
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you know it is great that he even got a dime back from them. small victory for mankind. i to was
very disappointed by their operations and would venture to say that failure versus success is probably
leaning toward failure. there business ethics are just far BELOW standards. i hate to say it again but i will,
there is a really good site coming down the road that might benefit a lot of members here who would really
like to be able to know that what they are dealing with is real and genuine. when that time comes i will let
everyone know so they can decide which way to go. but keep in mind it will be just in Guangdong Province and
the reason for that will be uderstood when it opens. there is and also will be a franchise operator up north in
shenyang and possibly one in Bejing. but at least the business ethics will be there and there will also be a service that
is unheard of in this type of business. the goal is to have a reputable site that people can depend on and one that
will all just depend on the chemistry between the two people when they meet after a brief or long time of discusions.
cll worked for me but not without many problems and cherry blossoms is also ok but it has its multitude of problems
also. but i think the developers of the new one have taken all this into consideration with the design of theirs and
the set forth a strict code of ethics that will be stuck with and i can guarantee that. keep your eyes open for the
announcement and i wish success to all who endure this venture.
"the best way to do it is better than all others"
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You met a kind old gentleman in an elevator who worked at a hotel and he introduced you to your wife. :icon_cheesygrin:
HAHAHAHAHA ... Almost Shaun.
I met a 'money hungry' hotel security guard who introduced me to my wife via a friend of my wife's uncle.
He asked for 30,000 RMB as an introduction fee ... then lower it to 20,000 RMB. He just got 4,000 RMB from my in-laws; they gave him another 1,000 RMB at the wedding dinner because he was still grumbling.
there is a really good site coming down the road that might benefit a lot of members here who would really
like to be able to know that what they are dealing with is real and genuine. when that time comes i will let
everyone know so they can decide which way to go. but keep in mind it will be just in Guangdong Province and
the reason for that will be uderstood when it opens. there is and also will be a franchise operator up north in
shenyang and possibly one in Bejing. but at least the business ethics will be there and there will also be a service that
is unheard of in this type of business. the goal is to have a reputable site that people can depend on and one that
will all just depend on the chemistry between the two people when they meet after a brief or long time of discusions.
but i think the developers of the new one have taken all this into consideration with the design of theirs and
the set forth a strict code of ethics that will be stuck with and i can guarantee that. keep your eyes open for the
announcement and i wish success to all who endure this venture.
"the best way to do it is better than all others"
What a sales pitch !!! :icon_cool: Ted ... Do you have any personal connections with this company ?
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cant reveal :icon_rolleyes:my sources yet Chong
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Is this all the same lady? The profile photos are surly not the same as the more recent pictures. She has no blemishes so the only thing I can spot is the part in her hair. If the profile photos are the same girl as the recent photos then her nose was delibertly widened and her eyes made smaller. But why? I really cant tell myself. The recent pictures (the ones with red tinted hair) are really her. I see she is wearing a bracelet I gave her and listening to the english lessons I sent her on the mp3 player. I kind of like the more recent photos better than her profile anyway. I just don't know about the first two photos. What do you think?
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I have seen discussed here "FEES". Marriage fees, success fees, introduction fees...Am I in for a surprise down the road. Will I be required to pay someone a fee if my lady and I get hitched? I have asked her what agreements she has with her agency and she says that the only agreement she has with them is that she will find her mate on chnlove. Her agency is ChangChun LiRen Information Inquiry Service Ltd. Anyone ever dealt with them before? Where can you find the fine print?
Pineau
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Hey Pineau,
Let's get the photos out of the way.... they could be of the same woman. As you said, her nose appears to have been flattened and it looks like she lost weight (reddish hair picture she appears to be either slimmer or her face is more angular...trying to decide which). Her eyes appear to have been tightened up.
Not sure what the point was, but as I said, could be the same woman.
As for the agency, there are lots of possible fees... it's best to have her read the contract more carefully. There might be something in there that she's obligated to pay...but you have to tell her this outside of the EMFs...otherwise it is likely that the agency will filter it out. Some of them are known to do that.
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Yes there are fees to pay. I must have written this a thousand times. The amount and when depends on her agreement (contract). Some pay in full, others leave a deposit and make payments. How much do YOU have to pay? Nothing. It's her contract not yours. If you want to pay it for her that's your choice.
Each agency has there own contract. It could be paid already or paid in thirds, Deposit, upon meeting her and marriage (3 payments). She should know the contract.
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When asking her about this, be specific in your questions. Ask her if there is money to be paid to the agency. In my case, I had my translator on MSN, so i was able to ask the translator. Fees vary from agency to agency. There is no average. And they vary from one end to the other...its not all doom and gloom...find out first.
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If a Chinese couple marry as the result of an introduction then a red envelope containing around 3000 rmb is usually handed to the match maker. Why should you want to pay anymore than that?
Has anyone actually paid the requested fees of 40,000 or more rmb?
Willy
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Some of you have seen these before but others may not have.
These are the same women. I have seen the photoshopped one in her bedroom (fixing her table lamp not fixing her)and the second one is one I took on my birthday a year ago.
Stick with agencies that do not allow photoshopped pictures.
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HELP. I am just angry enough to get myself into a serious fight. I am about to send the following letter. let me know what you think first.
Dear c.
I have been thinking about a lot of things. Mainly the recent correspondence on chnlove. You have sent me some pictures recently that you say are of you. Now I am confused and do not know what to believe. Are you the woman in the recent pictures or the one that your agency posted in your profile. There is absolutely NO resemblance between these two women. If they are both you then the profile pictures have been severely modified to the point that you are not recognizable. When you and I would correspond I would picture in my mind the image of you in your profile. Without having you close to me it is natural for me to begin bonding to your photograph. Now I have discovered that she is not you, or you are not her. It doesn’t matter which is the real you. Imagine my disappointment to find that you are so different. This is fraud and deceit of the worse kind. I have tried to get over it and move forward but I can’t. I have been deceived and I can’t forget it.
If I have been deceived by your photos then I ask myself what else is not true. What about our correspondence. How much of that is true. If they can fabricate photos then what is to prevent them from fabricating letters. Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t I can’t tell, but the doubt will always be on my mind. A trust has been broken. I feel I have wasted three months of my life and many thousand yuan in my pursuit of you only to find out I was chasing a fabrication. I am hurt, disappointed and very angry about this. I no longer wish to correspond with you. Please do not contact me by any means.
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Ya Nan. This message is for the ChangChun LiRen Information Inquiry Service Ltd..
You have violated the implied agreement between us. By paying your fees I have a right to honest representation of the lady I am corresponding with. It is your legal responsibility to verify that the information that you post about the lady is true and accurate. To do otherwise is fraud. In fact it is part of the agreement that you have with chnlove.com.
A promise from chnlove.com to all their customers.
Authentic profiles from quality singles
Agencies are required to strictly follow our procedure, and verify the authenticity of the lady's information (including photos, personal particulars, self-description, identity documents, etc). Besides, through the agency we can get many quality singles, from villages to big cities in China, who are hard to find. Our policies aimed at offering a sophisticated ground for every gentleman to seek their lifelong companion safely.
I am exploring my options and deciding what I will do next.
Gerard Pineau
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Take a few breaths. Apply the 24 hour rule. The photos you posted are the same woman. Are there others you are referring to?
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Looks like the same woman to me. There are subtle differences but how many years have passed between photos and how much weight has been lost.
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How many thousands of times to we look at photos, trying to read something into them? Sometimes we look at them so much we don't even see the person anymore. The worst thing is that those early photos are generic - they are impersonal, not directed at you, but at everyone.
Pineau, I suggest that you are at that stage where you need to break through the artificiality, and get to the real person. Maxx would tell you to go to China now. The problem is not the photos. The problem is that you need to meet the living, breathing, moving, laughing, talking person you have invested so much into getting to know. The photos are of the same person as far as I can see.
My wife had her photos done by the agency. They photoshopped out the wrinkles, trowelled loads of foundation and blasted light onto her face. She looked pretty, but somehow tense, and somehow unreal. The first webcam chat took some getting used to, because she was different, but real - she laughed, she smiled and the smile was for me, in real time. Then when I met her, the photos that I had been staring at obsessively, became suddenly irrelevant. The photos that I took of her and us when we were together, however, were suffused with meaning, because I associated the feeling I had when I was with her.
Then when we had our wedding photos done, the artificiality became a game, a joke that we both could share. As I said, I think you've just reached a stage in your relationbship, one where you need a show of faith, some sign of proof, but I doubt whether pursuing the veracity of photos will bring you the satisafaction you desire. If I were you, I would sit down with a glass of the lovely Pineau de Charente wine that you share your name with and make a decision about if and when you are going to visit your lady, because if the photos represent your only doubt, then it sounds to me like you need to go and meet heras soon as possible.
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OK. Deep breath, 24 hour rule. Got it.
Thanks Guys,
But you have to admit the profile pictures (the first three) have been modified to the point you would believe they are two different women if I hadn't told you differently. . I am trying not be shallow and I believe looks are not everything but they are important. All relationships are begun with a physical attraction in my opinion. I mean, how many or you are looking for an unattractive woman? I think I can get past that. What I really find revolting is that we are here looking for a life partner and these f*)(% agencies expect us to build a marriage relationship based on a foundation of deceit and lies. I don't want such a relationship. Honesty and trust are very important to me. (based on previous experience) That's not her fault but none the less I have serious trust issues. I think the the letter I have written (maybe revised) will succeed in flushing the agency down the toilet. If I am going to continue my search, be it this lady or some other I will insist up front 1. direct communications 2. Real everyday casual at home photos. 3. If the chemistry is there a one on one visit as soon as it can be arranged.
I tried so many times to try to go see her, talk to her on QQ and the telephone. I now know that all the excuses were fabricated by the agency in an attempt to interfere with direct communications.
I have discovered this, when I open a profile of a lady that has expressed an interest in me, I dont look at her immediatly. Look at the background. If it is a solid color or a generic background then the alarm PHOTOSHOP PHOTO goes off. be careful.
OK. Deep breath, 24 hour rule. Got it. :'(
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Pineau,
Definitely take a deep breath. I believe that the pictures you posted are of the same women but taken during different times (maybe years ago). If you are getting the cold shoulder and not getting through by phone or QQ, there is a red flag. As far as paying the 30,000 or so rmb for the agency fee, you can bypass it if you and your lady secretly get rid of them. Just be careful that if you visit her, none of the agency people see you. What my wife and I did was go through her cousin to help translate our letters. She told the agency she was no longer interested in their help. I wrote a fake letter to my wife saying that that I met a girl here in the US through a friend. Just make sure you do it at different times and be discreet. Good luck!
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The photoshopping has been talked about a few times... http://www.chnlove.info/index.php?topic=1039.0 (http://www.chnlove.info/index.php?topic=1039.0)
FYI I've been into photography for ??? about 40 years. Using Photoshop for more then 10 years (also talked about this before). Looking at the photos of the woman, the nose is all the same. It's not a common nose shape so it seems to be her in all. Eyes, eye shape, face (can be made wider or thinner) many features can be changed but that nose is the same in all. Her hair color changes in them so a wide period of time between them is likely. Different camera lens can change the features also, so if she had photos from different photographers?
But a face to face is the eye opener.
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Good point Auburnkp.
I am sure you are right. They are probably taken several years apart. But would it be fair for me to post a picture of me at age 30 in my profile ( I'm 58). I can say for sure the most recent pictures of her with red hair are less than a month old because she is wearing a bracelet and listening to music on an mp3 player both of which I sent to her. Even those photos have been photoshoped. I HATE THESE AGENCIES. They are manipulating money grubbing foul evil people. hm mm that felt good.
As far as going around the agencies. That's great. If you can find a private translator like I did, that works for ME and is a fraction of the cost that just makes good sense.
Vince, That was what I was hoping for all along. A face to face. But the agency wouldn't allow it with a promise of marriage. Its sickening how they try to corral you into a commitment.
As far as the nose. I agree with one exception. It is not a common nose shape and is easy t spot in most of the pictures. But in the first two pictures (if that is her) you can tell that the nose has bee flattened at the nostrils and widened at the bridge. For what purpose I don't know. But is is twice as wide as in the other photos.
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Pineau
Welcome to the World of CHNLove....... ;D
There are hundreds, if not thousands of posts on the Forum that deal with the issues you raise here......photo fraud and the complicity of the Agencies in perpetrating this deception.
But lets get it all in context a bit more, all of these Ladies are seduced by the Agencies to believe that they can get a good, worthy and "handsome" Western man to be their life partner and live happily ever after. With such a "carrot" dangled before them, do you really believe that they would put a photo/photos on their profile that showed them at a complete disadvantage...like as if they just got out of bed, hair like a birds nest, wrinkles, blemishes and their "less desirable" features on public display ??? I dont think a woman from ANY Country would be capable of such !! and considering the "assistance" they get from the Agencies and the encouragement it is not surprising to know that in some form or other they want as much help from cosmetics as they can get......its a woman thing.
Agreed, the Agencies in general take it too far, and thats where we get caught. Because you can rant and rave all you like at the Agencies and declare to them that you never want to contact this woman again...then what are you going to do ???....yes, you will find another woman from another Agency and begin the whole merry go-round again !!
CHNLove cant lose, their only objective is to get you spending EMF money...nothing else. They let the numbers game work for them and laugh at you.
On the other side of this coin is the drivel that so many of these women get from Western Men...believe me, I have read some of the letters and seen some of the photos sent to my wife before we got together...I am ashamed that some Men have the nerve to be MORE deceitful than these women.
Please take it as a given that every profile on CHNLove has had some level of cosmetic interference...either minor or major, and we all know which Agencies in particular go way to far (Changsha Love Bridge for one !!!) But in itself, unless extreme does not mean these women are all frauds.
What's the solution ??/...do what so many of us have done before, dont mess with EMF's for months, make it clear that you demand a QQ or more personal contact...and if you cant get this, move on !! You can only answer the REAL questions about chemistry with a face-to-face meeting....everything you do up to this point is not real. Sadly, you must get on a plane and see for yourself, then you will know...win,lose or draw. For many of us, we had several false starts, several bitter lessons before we listened to the good advice here and got off the CHNLove treadmill.
There is an element of fraud at large in the CHNLove Ladies, but generally, there are many, many lovely Women doing their best to find future happiness, sometimes they are mislead by the Agencies and led to believe there is only one way to get their dream Man, but I dont think that there is a high percentage of Ladies who deliberately set out to decieve us...just a bit misguided and they have bad advice given to them from the people who should know better...but the mighty EMF dollar wins every time..
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Pineau,
Definitely take a deep breath. I believe that the pictures you posted are of the same women but taken during different times (maybe years ago). If you are getting the cold shoulder and not getting through by phone or QQ, there is a red flag. As far as paying the 30,000 or so rmb for the agency fee, you can bypass it if you and your lady secretly get rid of them. Just be careful that if you visit her, none of the agency people see you. What my wife and I did was go through her cousin to help translate our letters. She told the agency she was no longer interested in their help. I wrote a fake letter to my wife saying that that I met a girl here in the US through a friend. Just make sure you do it at different times and be discreet. Good luck!
auburnkp , about the Agency pay-off . This NOT paying the final Fee due to the Agency , is of course NOT for all Lady's . My Wife would never have concider'd NOT paying ( yes 35000 RMB ) , as she had signed a Contract and she was NOT to loose Face for herself , or the Family , by NOT paying this Fee . We talked about it for a long time and I explained that .. how I would have NOT done this or that , but that is NOT the point here . I was NOT going to step in full force and go against my Wife or the Agency , just because here we do those things . China , it's been said so many times .. different ways of doing things there .
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Pineau you have ben given some good advice.The only thing I can add.Is take a good hard look at this situation.Get it straight in your head.You are headed for a wreck real fast.When all doubt is removed then you can move forward.
If you are not comfortable with the agencies business practices.Why have you continued to correspond with the woman? My point is you have already made up your mind along time before you wrote the post today.The only thing you are looking for here.Is justification to send that letter.As others have mentioned in this very thread.Chnlove.does do photo shopping.They will not let you have direct contact.If they think the woman still owes them money.Or if they think they can suck a couple more dollars out of your bank account.
I remember your story from before.Maybe chnlove is not the path for you.I think your still a little hurt from.What happened before.Nobody can blame you for being a little gun shy.I know you took a hard hit.It would of broke most people.
Why don't you talk to Ted and Willy.They have thiere own match making service.And they can get you hooked up with a descent lady.I have looked threw their ladies profiles.They don't use photo shopping.Hell according to Ted he takes all the pictures.So you know it is the real deal.Yes I know Willy is a Britt.But Willy is alright in my book even if he is a Britt.Ted is a good guy even though he does where funny shirts.That went out of style 30 years ago.So send them a pm.Or go to www.chinaloveagency.com (http://www.chinaloveagency.com) get registered and take a look.I'm sure you would feel much more comfortable going this route.
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I am not really blaming her. I understand that no woman wants to show their worst side to the public. She was probably seduced into believing that if she ends up with a good husband no harm is done and the end justifies the means. But I have to believe that there is a point when putting on your best dress and make up, somewhere you cross the line between vanity and fraud. It really not so much the looks that bother me (She is really not a bad looking woman) its the deception. And the agency encourages it. And as I mentioned in my letter if the agency will fabricate an image then what is to prevent them from fabricating a letter or anything else?
As far as the fees go. I was told there are none but I am sure if had fell completely into this trap I was due for a big suprise.
OK Maxx, I hear you. But your assumption is wrong. This has all come to a head in the past week. I had my suspicions but until the past week I was not convinced. I intend to move on and AWAY from chnlove.com I have been burned and learned my lesson. I do not need them any more. If I decide I want to persue this lady then I will do it on my own without chnlove. I will visit Ted and Willie and see what they got. I also have dozens of Chinese friends that could steer me right.
I should get down off this soap box. You're probably tired of me ranting about this. I will shut up for per the 24 hour rule.
Deep breath, 25 hour rule. Got it.
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Yes I spotted the flattening of the nose but when you look at it you can see that point she has on it. Now another thing... webcam. The agency has to allow a webcam session. It may even be in her contract? Push the fact.
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Pineau , from my other half , Sujuan , yes they are all of the same lady , no hesitation at all from her , so have you booked your flight yet , regards Robert .
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Maxx,
thanks for the plug on the agency it is growing slowly but of course we do have some really natural and
not glamorous photo shopped pics shows them as they would be in everyday natural situations.
i will say they are all very nice and caring not looking for some of the other things that i have heard
here with some of the postings.
as far as the shirts go @@@@##$#$##$$$
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Maxx,
In case you do not understand what "@@@@##$#$##$$$" means, I am more than happy to offer you some assistance. It mean go to Walmart, look on the close out rack, but some more flowery shirts in my size (Ted's that is) and send them to me. I need several more.
I can't believe I had to put the words flowery shirts in. I must be slipping.
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Shaun I understood what Ted was saying.But thanks for the translation anyway
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Ok This is kind of long but it is really laughable. I sent the letter ( a few post back) to the lady and the agency and closed the door for her to reply. I sent another letter to her using MY translator. (the school teacher) explaining that I thought I had been deceived every which way and I thought that we were finished.
The phone did not stop for hours. Text messages, QQ requests etc. I finally cracked and talked with her. She says she is very sorry for the deception and that she wants to start over from zero without chnlove.com and her agency in the middle. I told her it was not likely but I would consider it. I am being a hard a** because she was in on the whole scam.
Getting information from her was like pulling teeth but she finally opened up and started telling me how the game operates. So here is some of what she told me so far. She agreed to pay the agency a huge amount of money to find her a husband. She provided them with her Id documents and they handled everything from there. It is a one stop shop. They create the photos, they read your love letters, and they send you the replies with the cute little pictures of kittens and an occasional update photo of your lady. Slowly over time the photo begins to resemble your lady but it is gradual so you don’t get freaked out. She still insist on calling those photos "artistic" photos. She never read any of my letters and never replied to me. (they did pass along my photos to her).
They would call her and give her a progress report, but she did not get a lot of information and she was aware of what was going on. She did however get enough information about me that she really did (so she says) begin to fall for me. I guess thats plausible, I’m a really nice catch. :-) .
So they continue to feed me crap and keep me chasing my tail until they think they have sucked the last dollar from me. Then they set me up to get married and collect their success fee. I’m just really happy I saw it coming. ( a bit too late to save the money. But at least I didn't marry a stranger)
So here we are three months and a $1000 bucks later and I don’t know a damn thing about her. So I start asking questions.
Do you really live at such and such place……..nope!
Do you really work at such and such……nope! I do not have a job right now.
You’re a really good cook right?..........Not!
We did a bit of sensual flirting and teasing, right?................Never happened.!
So everything I know about you is bogus……………..All Lies!
I am afraid to ask her anything else. Like what have they told her about me. It appears that me an the translator have been teasing each other with sexual innuendos occasionally for quite a while. I am tempted to send her a note and ask for her photos, But I am afraid she will turn out to be a 50 year old man with a pot belly and a hairy chest. I am tempted to sue somebody but it would be useless. I am just going to walk away from this one shaking my head…Live and learn.
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Gerry , I hear you and agree with you .. it's laughable .. but I wont laugh at the expense of one of our Member's here . It's not a cheap lesson to learn and when emotions are involved it's almost unforgiveable no matter what/who is on the other side/end . You're Day/Lady will arrive someday , we all take different approaches .. but we all seek the same . So don't give up just yet .
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Gerry,
if you paid with a credit card GET them involved in getting your money back. i did this and Citibank gave me a credit on my
card and the agency or whoever gets the payment lost out. shortly after that i have never recieved an admiration letter
and till this day havent recieved one so i guess they marked me. i have my account there so i can read the forums but thats all.
this was the reason for Willy and i doing what we did (agency) and its been going slow but we dont have the glamorous photo
shopped pics to lure people in. just everyday nice and sincere ladies looking for a future with someone. your time will come and you will
meet that sincere lady. DONT give up. they are out there.
Maxx,
the transalation was if you see some shirts like that let me know and i will pay you for sending to me the shirts. nothing negative as i am
not a negative, vindictive person
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NO worries Ted it's all good
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didnt think so but i just wanted to say that Maxx
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as far as the shirts go @@@@##$#$##$$$
Ted,
If you are sick of the shirts then you could graduate to the suits. I know someone that can hook you up with a tailor.
Dave C
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no thanks had 30 years of tailored suits and fancy ties. that is why i now wear loose shirts
and jeans.
when i progress to shorts with sandals and socks on then that would be a travisty.
but the jacket is a little snappy would go good with a white t shirt and jeans lol!!!!
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You notice the man is angry about wearing the suit. It is that or people are laughing at him or he is trying to hold the ladyboys at bay. I just wouldn't wear a suit like that. I can wear the shirts but the suit? Naaa!!!!!
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Come now .. this Man looks sharp and is wearing cool Sunglasses too . Definately a statement maker and have the Town talking for weeks . love it .
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Lol. Americans. This man is a famous Canadian. Every Canadian knows him by name and his suits are always unique.
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Neil give us Americans some background on the dude. after all its a pretty snappy jacket
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I first thought it was Paul Teutul. But looked again. Who is he?
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Damn I find him irritating! Ted will be wanting to see more pictures of him, to get ideas for his wardrobe. Neil is right...every Canadian knows who he is. Here is a hint...he is from a TV program that used to play Canada's second National Anthem.
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Oh. That clears it up for me. :o Uhhhhh!!!!!!
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That's Don Cherry. Hockey commentator and sometimes a loud mouth. But he does support some good causes... he wears similar suits (only the pattern changes) whenever he's on TV... For more information, visit... (yeah, TV commercial)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Cherry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Cherry)
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i seem to remember but not remember his name that we had a tv announcer who also wore really funny
jackets and ties like this don cherry in the USA a long time back