China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Newbies Corner => Topic started by: wilson on May 18, 2009, 03:35:53 am
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I have put this post up as I would like all of you to know what we are planning. I realize that this is my first post and this may raise some eyebrows. But whatever your suspicions please remember I am not asking you for anything
I have been a member like you of Chnlove and have been disappointed with the service. Unlike some of you I have not found my partner on the site despite being ethnically Chinese and speaking Chinese. Also I should add after spending a lot of money
A few of us from Singapore have unfortunately had the same unpleasant experience and as we know each other we decided to work together to set up our own agency.
It is a marriage service and the intention is to make it affordable for the users and to aim for the highest level of security to prevent scamming and churning.
While it seems most of you have already found partners many have not and we hope you will also become members of our agency when we launch.
We are in the process of accumulating ladies profiles from local agencies and we understand some of you may want to start your own local agency in China. If you are interested in this we can send you a starter pack which will detail things we would require from you and what your investment in setting up your business is likely to be.
We will have a central translation desk and other operational support services to minimize your initial investment.
In addition we will also offer welcome services, independent of the local agencies, for men travelling to china to meet their partner and we will be looking for personnel for these positions.
For an operation this size there will be other opportunities that will arise and we will inform you as these come up but again if you want to explore where you feel your expertise may fit please do not hesitate to contact me
We have targeted the soft launch for ………………….and we will give you progress reports but if anyone has a serious inquiry please contact me
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Wilson,
Yes you will raise a few eyebrows but that is the true beauty of this forum. We can speak our minds and let the chips fall where they may. I personally am interested in your idea and think you might have a hell of a shot a doing it right. Not condemming Chong's idea of the Brother and Sister idea yet it started to transform itself into Chnlove with a new face, it started to snowball into just making money towards the end of the thread. I hoping Wilson that your intentions are honorable and you really have the means to get this thing going. I'll be honest if I wanted to I think I could start a very small service right out of my apartment utilizing a few of my biligual male and female friends. If the bottom line isn't about just money I'de be all for helping anyone out to start it up or possibly work the welcoming committe thing in Shenzhen. I say go for it and try to keep the motives as altruistic as humanly possible. I'm not saying money shouldn't be made, just that the matchmaking should be the first and foremost priority. Good Luck.
China Shark Mike
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I am not trying to be a jerk here but, you come on having never been here before and tell us we should trust you and "maybe" you can have jobs for some of us. Not just an eyebrow raised but a couple of red flags. You are going to get some profiles from "local agencies" I would think that you would probably use some of the same agencies as Chnlove are. I have no love for Chnlove and I could have been burned badly by them I got lucky and have found my lady. So tell me how you will be different and why should we trust you? Because you say you "aim for the highest Security"? How specifically will you do this? I do not mean to be Mr. Negative here but it is so easy to just say these things, burn a few people and move on. Besides we know Chnlove is going to be around for a while. It is the agencies that are bad and Chnlove has done a poor job of policing them. What will you do different?
Thanks and if you are truly sincere, good luck. I mean that. Our Brothas deserve a 100% up front honest place.
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Well said Jim couldn't have put that any better myself........
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Dear all,
Thanks for your responses and I will try to address them.
Yes - We are going to be a new company and we will have an issue with credibility at the start. We have no comment on the service that other companies provide but what we would like to do is to ensure that people have a site which they can trust to meet their life partners.
We will use local agencies that may have more than one affiliate and we will also open our own offices as we develop our business.
We are going to have a central translation to ensure quality and genuine response and if the local agency wishes to do their own translation then we will monitor their activity from us very closely. It is our intention to encourage webcam contact and direct contact so you can have an online date.
While value for money is what we wish to achieve more importantly we also want to ensure that you the user do not travel hours and miles and spend a lot of money and invest emotion only to find your angel is a dragon. Also remember there is a cultural divide and we would like to be that bridge
There will inevitably be confidence tricksters and insincere people but we will have safety procedures in place like background checks, interviews, etc. Remember this applies to the gentlemen as well as the ladies and even if it is detrimental for short term profitability we will be cautious.
We feel it is the process and if that is right then the barriers to scamming will be high. But no matter how high the barrier if someone is intent to try to cheat then they will look for a way. We will just have to ensure they are identified quickly and culled
Can we guarantee no con artists? We have not found a 100% fool proof system but if you have some suggestions that are practical then please tell us.
We are a business and if we do not make money we will not be going for long. But we do not want the pursuit of profit to compromise our ethics and morals.
Our group is Euro Asian compromised of a few of us based in Singapore and we have senior positions in reputable international companies. We are not asking you for anything but we are letting you know we are around and please check us out when we launch.
We will have opportunities for you in China and you don’t have to trust us any more than you can trust anyone on the internet but please do not damn us because we attempting to launch a better service for you.
Hi Mike, Thanks for your encouragement. We will update information and let everyone know where we are with the process. I you continue to have an interest we will let you have access to Beta test our site and you will be able to do due diligence for your analysis.
Best Regards,
Wilson
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I gotta go with Sarge on this one. Why should we pick your agency over Chnlove? Why should we invest in your venture over starting one on our own?
Information is power, and information is what is needed here. Do you have a webpage url that we can look at?
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Hi Martin,
Thank you for your very kind offer, but we have not asked for any investments. We will be launching our site in July and we are letting you guys know what we are doing.
I agree information is power, and we will be keeping you informed of developments hereon in.
There is nothing to stop you starting your own venture.
I gotta go with Sarge on this one. Why should we pick your agency over Chnlove? Why should we invest in your venture over starting one on our own?
Information is power, and information is what is needed here. Do you have a webpage url that we can look at?
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Wilson,
I am sorry if you took offense at what was said. It surely wasnt meant that way. If you knew us you would know that we are an honest bunch of people who state their opinion in an open honest fashion. But never to be mean or spiteful. While you did give a couple of specifics you are still stating right from the Chnlove book. "Interviews" etc. The question was what will you do different from them.
You are quite right that you can never 100% stop someone from trying to scam, but in security it is called "Target Hardening" which means that you make it so difficult for someone to scam your people that it is easier for them to go somewhere else. You see, scammers are a lazy bunch. They want money the easy way, life the easy way, etc. . If they have to jump through too many hoops. they will go somewhere easier.
Maybe you should go back and get all of your info together, then come back and tell us. if you are for real, I do not think you will have a more loyal bunch than right here. But if you are not, we will pull the plug fast.
This is not meant as an affront to you or your business. We just protect our own. Please consider it in that manner.
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Jim
No offense was taken and please do not worry about that.
I fully endorse what you say about the gentlemen on this site and that is precisely why I have posted our plans here and that is to get your opinions which we value.
In an Introduction service there are only so many way one can organize it but as you say it is the petty wanton scams which seem to be prevalent is something that we want to eliminate. We also want to put the two people in “front” of each other as quickly as possible and to try to smooth the cultural misunderstandings that arise which can drive a wedge through an otherwise beautiful relationship.
As we see it if we remove the reason for scams then we start to minimize the probability. In this regard, direct contact should remove the temptation of expensive translated letters by individual agencies. Hopefully we can get this model right.
Our China relationship mangers will be responsible for the integrity of intention of the ladies and they will do the standard check and interviews but also look at past history of marriage, relationships and on an ongoing basis on line behavior.
This may sound like a bit of corporate mumbo jumbo but we intent to work in partnership with the gentlemen and try to stand beside them as a friend and advisor. In this way perhaps we can steer some away from the obviously unsuitable or mismatched relationships.
There are also some men who will have to be culled from our service and we will do this as ruthlessly as we do with the ladies.
None of these measures will keep out the determined scammers and the worst is when someone travels around half the world to find they are not meeting the person they expected to meet. We will care enough to try to work with you on your trip to China.
In the final analysis, I and my partners are the same as you and we are putting in place the service that we would like to receive.
I believe there are some of you who would are interested at the idea and would like a lot more information. However we are in the process of formation and there is only so much we can reveal at this point in time. Please be patient and keep a lookout on this thread for updates.
Jim, look at our progress reports as we post them and please do be our Devil’s Advocate. Your opinions and comments will make us better
Best Regards,
Wilson
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Wilson, best of luck in your venture.
You come across as a decent guy rather than a sleaze trying to make a quick buck of the back of desperate men.
If your website is all you say it is here then my hat is off to you sir.
Please do update us with the url when it goes live.
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I guess , Chnlove will feel the Heat ... one way or the other ? That it must do something about those aweful Agencies or else ?
Good luck Wilson , with your Venture . Looking forward to see how much differnet it is going to be from Chnlove and other's ?
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Update:
The name of our service is Shifu Lem’s Introductions
The website is currently under development. The theme will be done on the 24th of May. We will have the following features on the navigation bar
1) Home
2) My Account
3) Browse Profiles
4) Tips
5) Site Help
6) Forum
7) About Us
8) Webcam (By appointment)
Premium services include:
1) Compatibility match
2) Personal relationship consultant
3) On shore Buddy service
4) Cultural Induction
5) Wedding Planners
6) Visa Services
7) Language and etiquette training
There will be an associate no frills site for chat. In this site there will be no representations but we will try and cull out all the scammers.
Keep your eyes on this thread for more progress updates
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Wilson,
I like the webcam idea.
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Dear All,
I realise it has been some time since my last post but please be assured that much progress is being made daily and our service is coming up.
I have updates but am reluctant as it seems the santuary has been disturbed by the presence of Chnlove. I would like to ask your advice do you think I should keep up with the progress reports. Your advice is invaluable
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Wilson, sure, updates are welcome :)
I'm mighty curious too see your new project .
Chnlove will be around when you go live too, you are going to have to live with that I am afraid!, the brotherhood here is still strong an friendly though (and interested I'm certain!!).
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Wilson,
Keep up with the updates. If Proteus is who he says he is, and you are who you say you are, you are made for each other and he could be a very valuable employee. If he is not, well they will have come to your site immediately anyway. I am sure as soon as you filed your DBA or Articles of Incorporation or whatever your licensing requirements are they knew about you. Quality competition is very healthy. Makes the company better and the customer gets better service.
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Update:
1) We have got our people on the ground in various cities of China already. They are in discussion with the local agencies for profiles as affiliates we are closely with them to ensure the profiles we get are genuine.
2) We are putting in ID checks and verification of their status, address, phone. We are also going to put into place an interviewing process. However the local agencies are a bit reluctant for us to do this. We feel though that there should be some other checks. We are discussing it with our management. Of course these have to be pragmatic.
3) We will have a rating system in place for the agencies and the highest rating will be 5, which will be the most trustworthy and the highest quality service, down to 1 star. We will have a matrix system in place to come up with this rating and our representatives in charge of the affiliate relationships will discuss this with them on a monthly basis.
4) Our web designer is in the final stages of developing the site. It will be uploaded on 21st June. If you guys want you can be our beta testers.
5) The first incarnation of the site will only be an open chat. Users will pay a flat monthly fee and chat to their hearts content. There will be a rudimentary translation software.
6) The full launch is expected to be on 30th June. At this stage we will have the ladies profiles uploaded and the various service levels determined.
7) We will have a english-chinese central translation centre. There is some reluctance by agencies with translation departments to use this as they want to use their own plus there are other more underhand reasons which you all know about. Unfortunately at the first stage it will only be english-chinese but we will start to expand this to german and french.
8) We have had some requests from guys wanting to start their own agency in China. We will counsel you at the onset that this is a harder enterprise than it appears at first look. However we do understand that there will be some who will wish to vault this high wall notwithstanding. And we are currently in the process of producing a corporate "how to set up your own agency" guide.
9) We are considering publishing city guides for those who intend to go to China to court their ladies. What do you think? Any suggestions?
10) Our head of sales (she is a chinese babe! Hands off please, one of our principals has already made his intentions known) is insistent that she should produce a guide that would allow you gentlemen to understand chinese ladies. Do you think this would be of any use? We have mixed feelings.
11) Our head of sales has been looking at the service from a ladies's perspective and the principal mentioned in 10 has been looking at it from a male perspective. If you ask me, I think they are romancing themselves. But they are looking to institute services that would make the dating and courting experience most pleasurable and real. Any suggestions, which could also help the aforementioned principal, would be welcome.
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Looking forward to it Wilson, exciting stuff.
The city guides is a good idea. I found it really daunting arriving into Guangzhou not knowing much about the place.
Maybe a little bit about local transportation like a metro map and maybe few romantic spots in the city to visit with your lady (eg in Guangzhou I'd recommend a night boat cruise down the Pearl river, a walk up Baiyun mountain and a visit to the Safari park). Doesn't need to be a huge amount, just a little bit of useful information that helps the man imagine what his trip will be like and gives him a couple of ideas of what to do when there.
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Wilson, I have a number of questions for you. I need time to put them all together. I am happy that you are truly following through with your plans. let me just start with these.
First off let me say, that I have found my lady, I am coming to Beijing in August for two months to marry her. I have no vested interest in Chnlove or you. My only concern is for my Brothas. Making sure they get the fairest shake for their money. I want them to find the happiness that I have found.
1. how are you going about getting your "people on the ground, in different cities"?
2.. Are they the ones that are going to be doing the investigations of the agencies and the ladies"?
3. when getting the agencies, are you taking their clients, wholesale or on an individual basis?
4. How are you deciding which Agencies to take on?
5. What type of checks and balances do you have that will keep your employees honest?
6. When you receive a complaint, what steps will you take to investigate it?
7. If you find the complaint is valid, what actions will you take
8.. What is your companies "mission statement" and what will you do to make sure your employees live up to it?
9. One of the things we complain about is that the ladies we meet are not remotely like the pictures that are taken of them.
(This happened to me also, but i thought i knew how beautiful she was on the inside so I was ok with it.) As it turned out i was right anyway, even though I found out that 90% of the letters were written by the translator not my lady).
10. I will be in Beijing for two months with not much to do. except play in the streets with the kids. Lol I would be happy to investigate anyone for any of my brothas. Any Agency or any person. I will be in Wuhan also.
I will have more questions later. Thank you Wilson for taking the time to do this.
Jim
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Jim we truly appreciate your questions as they make us think and re evaluate what we are putting in place I will answer your question chronologically.
1. We have appointed a Head of Sales and she is responsible for the representatives on the ground in the various cities – she is also on the board. She is Chinese and in addition to her contacts, our contacts we have had many referrals.
Where we do have a slight issue is to find “Buddy’s” we will be interviewing people who are currently working in China and have some spare time. Here we have to be slightly careful as we will need a certain type of person and it maybe that in some cases Buddy’s will cover more than one city.
2. We have the reps mentioned in 1) and yes they will be responsible for the selection and the ongoing relationship with them
3. We will be pragmatic about this and we will have to find the quality –quantity balance.
4. Based on a) reputation b) local knowledge and contact c)on negotiations
5. This is a very interesting question and we have long and heated discussion about this. Ultimately all our reps will be on 1 year renewable contracts and on deferred commissions – which is based in turnover and quality of business determined by our affiliates rating system. So if there is a negative drift then the rep feel this in a real way in their compensation
Of course we will also be looking at unusual patterns, high volumes, and sudden changes. In addition we will be formally revieiwing with our affiliates every 3 months.
6. Depends on the type of complaint. We are putting in place checks and balances and these will hopefully cull out a lot of reason for complaints. Minor issues will be handled by CSO and will be pushed up the management chain with growing gravity.
7. Again depends on the nature of the complaint and the type of service that the client chooses. So if it is the “no frills” service dealing with a 1 star affiliate then there is little we can do but if it is premium service and dealing with 5 star affiliate there will be no question of scam, misrepresentation or churning. However let’s take the worst case scenario then we will have to stand by our commitments and refund money.
But we do have a problem here as we are looking at this from a man’s perspective and they are our clients but we also have a duty of care to the ladies and we will have complaints on the behaviour and actions of our members. If a male member is found to be at fault and has acted in contravention to our membership agreements we will immediately expel the person and peruse a legal course for satisfaction.
8. We do not as yet have a formal mission statement but we have experimented with words like honesty integrity, value, etc. We will come up with a appropriate statement but we are looking to be honest and give value for money.
We understand money does not buy love and neither does it mend a broken heart and as we start and build our business we hope to develop our company’s moral code which transcends monetary gain. Nice sentiments but I really hope we live and prosper by this code.
9. Yes I know it is a shock. One the one hand it is the ladies right to make herself look beautiful and attractive but on the other you certainly do not want to feel duped. It is a question of time and money.
If you have a one night stand with a babe and woke up next to a old hag – well we know what you would do but when you have spent months talking and developing a relationship with a lady who does not look like you think she does – yes that is a different proposition.
So what we propose to all our members, remember my earlier posts, is that you move to webcam asap and look at each other and speak regularly to each other on cam.
Hopefully here you see your real angel.
Also on cam you actually speak to your Angel – better than letter writing and wondering who is writing. I am not sure how “private” we can make these conversations but we are aiming for some privacy.
10. Jim please do let us know your schedule your assistance would be invaluable to us that is if you can drag yourself away from the lovely autumn and your time with your lady
I hope I answered all the issues you raised and will answer any other question you or anyone may have. If I have not answered your question to your full satisfaction tell me and I will revisit it
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Dear All,
Are there anyone in here familiar with internet marketing strategies? Some input in this area would be fantastic.
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One of the fist things you want is for all search engines to pop you up ahead of anyone else. There are different tools to use, you can obtain them through Google or Go Daddy, usually your hosting company will have them that you can use. You can probably go to google.com . Here is a link to just one place that will give you some basic information on it. There are a lot more. http://www.domaininformer.com/guides/Marketing/articles/090608-Basic-Consepts-of-Search-Engine-Optimization (If link wont work here copy and paste into your browser)
Your web site designer should have this info also. Of course the next thing is to get your webaddress on everything you can. Nothing leaves your office without your webaddress on it. There are places where you can park your address when you let them park theirs on yours. This is just basic stuff. But it is the best 2 things you can do in my opinion.
Jim
Dear All,
Are there anyone in here familiar with internet marketing strategies? Some input in this area would be fantastic.
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As Jim Says , you have to get as high in the search engines as possible , at the least be in the top 5 if you can , if you end up on search engine page 2 .. most people will never even see you
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Thank you, JimB and Mark, we are in the process of formulating a marketing plan. This would involve immediate and long term goals, as well as enlisting professional help at some point in time.
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Wilson, you should call your thread "New Plan for Money for Wilson" because that has nothing to do with love, china. It is a business model applied to many other sectors. I am not very positive on members taking over forum for soft advertisement.
I like your thread : "I realize that this is my first post and this may raise some eyebrows. But whatever your suspicions please remember I am not asking you for anything" - you are asking for traffic for your website, agencies... otherwise, why would you be on this forum ?
"Can we guarantee no con artists? We have not found a 100% fool proof system but if you have some suggestions that are practical then please tell us" - Why dont you work a bit more on your system and then come back with the solution
"In the final analysis, I and my partners are the same as you and we are putting in place the service that we would like to receive" - I doubt about it ...
So long for trust and honesty ....
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Alan, I see this is your first post. Welcome. I am as skeptical as anyone. But when you criticize at least have something constructive or be specific to go along with it. Go back and read posts here. When someone has something negative to say they have specific reasons. It is easy to just shotgun negativity. But it does not help anyone. Like what specific solutions are you talking about? You doubt that they are honest? Or they are putting a place in service that they would like to receive. I am sorry but you have no idea if they are trustworthy or honest. None of us do as yet. But we are willing to give them a chance. Not shoot them down just for the pleasure of it.
And no one is taking over a forum. Not you nor me nor anyone here. The mods run this forum and if they think someone is advertising here in an inappropriate way they will take care of it.
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I just read this entire thread for the first time, I have to say, if this is an honest business you're creating, it'll be extremely successful. I hope it is. I'm one of th many guys on here that have found their true love. I didn't find it on chnlove.com, however. Although, I did indirectly. If I hadn't of met my first lady (Which I think was dishonest), then I would never have met my sexy chick whom I adore, love, respect and cherish. She's in Guangzhou and I'll be moving there in the future. After I arrive and accustom myself to the new surroundings, I'd love to be of some help to your business. I'll be looking for a job when I get there so I can stay in China, work visa needed of course. My only option from what I understand is to find an English teaching position but if your business can hook up some of the brothers with a work visa and decent paying job, I'm sure more of us would be more than willing to join you. My main goal is to have my lady at my side no matter if it's in China or my Country. Also, it's been a dream of my girlfriends to become a translator. Her English is pretty good but still needs improvement. I'll be there to pick up any slack. Both of us combined, I'm sure we could enhance your business. And hey, even if you don't need us, that's fine. I'm still coming to China. :icon_biggrin:
I love your webcam appointment idea, I wish chnlove had that when I was one of their customers. I could of figured out my lady was dishonest far sooner and saved myself hundreds of dollars that I would now sitting in my savings account waiting to be used to go to China with haha. It was a harsh lesson, I'm down $2500.00 but I learned from the experience.
I also loved 5) Wedding Planners, 6) Visa Services and 7) Language and etiquette training. I'm marrying my lady in China eventually in the future and to have some experienced wedding planners assist me with the wedding and reception would be amazing. Of course, at a reasonable cost. The same goes for the Visa services and language training. Some of us aren't as experienced in "life" as the others. (Such as myself) I've never left my Province in my life. So help with the travel visa or work visa whichever you plan on helping with will be awesome. And finally, the language training, I've always wanted to learn a second language all my life. I just never knew which up until now. If I could become fluent in Chinese through your company's language training program, it would be a bonus. I could help the business out even more and when my wife and I return to my country, I might be able to find work there as a translator.
Anyway, I think I said my two cents. I wish you all the best with your company and hope my girlfriend and I can be a part of it someday.
Zaijian!
Joshua, Canadian extraordinaire! :icon_cheesygrin:
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I am sorry I have not been in communication recently as we have been very busy at this critical phase and we are flat out getting things done. As is normal things never go according to plan but we are more or less on track.
Alan, I am sorry we have upset you. Yes we want traffic. Yes we want members and yes we want to be the best in class. Are we wrong to want this? There is not much I can say other than wait till it is up and read the reviews and if you find them to your satisfaction then give us a try
Joshua thanks for your compliments. Please let me know when you are planning to go to China. Our first translation department will be in the NE but we anticipate we will need 4 and if you and your wife are interested we could discuss this in greater detail what would suit. In the meantime if your wife is interested in a role we could put her in touch with our head of sales – she is also based in southern China. In any event let me know your thoughts
I will be updating and my silence was an indication that we are making progress – not long now we are on the final stretch.
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It has been sometime since I announced our intention to start our Agency. So it is time for me to give you a progress report and timetable.
We have been very busy and we stumbled many times to get to this point but we have a service and a website. But more than that we have a good team in place all of who have the same values and objectives.
We are loading our site and we are almost ready to launch. We will now Beta test over the coming weeks and there will obviously be things we need to modify, rectify, add and delete.
It would be a privilege for us to get your comments and I invite you to visit our site and have a look round and make any comments. Our site address is
www.shifulem.com
Currently we have a total of 750 ladies of which a few profiles have been loaded and progressively increase over the next few weeks.
Our services are broken into the standard
Correspondence - translated
Webcam -translated
Matchmaking
Tours
Personal Introduction Tours
We have some find Affiliate agreements and with our principal participations we have a fine management structure.
Please browse and let us know and if we should be privileged enough to have you as a member as a Beta tester for the next 2 weeks we will give you a 25% discount on the credits you purchase – so for every 4 you buy you will get 1 free. So if you register and purchase credits please send us an e-mail : cs@shifulem.com and the head of our CS office is Angel
Look forward to seeing you on the other side
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Wilson
I have browsed your site and looks Ok to me. I have one question....I see a number of your Lady clients have "no photo" or "weight/height etc"..."not filled in"
Will you allow profiles to be posted by your Ladies that have not this data/photo, or is this situation temporary due to the newness of the site and you are still uploading detail?
If you continue to allow "incomplete" data to appear with your Ladies, I for one would not participate....incomplete/missing data = possibly scam ?????
Your words are noted ref: the right for a Lady to make herself attractive/beautiful in her photo. I have no problem with that, but will you ban "photo shopping" of the "natural" photos because you have the opportunity to at least verify that the photos have not been heavily modified ???
Thanks
DavidE
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Wilson,
Where is the office in Beijing. I am now here in China for 2 months. I am married now, but would be interested to see your services first hand so I can knowledgeably tell my brothers what I have seen. Please contact me soonest.
Jim Burk
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I like Aunty Huang, she writes pretty good, very interesting read :D
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Dear David,
Yes you are right the situation is temporary and the profiles that have no photos or details will not be allowed on – it seems that some agencies had a few problems with loading and we have to rectify this. In our desperate bit to load the profiles we seem to have hit the language road bump. Our China Head is sorting this out and we should have this rectified when you next look.
So all data fields should be filled in
You hit the nail on the head of one of our biggest concerns is scamming and we take this very seriously.
We do not endorse Photo Shopping as we see this as akin to scamming but we have to draw the line somewhere and we are promoting the web cam service to counter this very thing. Both the men and the ladies should have a good idea of who they are talking to and we feel this maybe the best way to see the “natural person”.
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Wilson I took a look.It would not let me look threw the gallery without registering.I think if you would run the gallery for a few pages without a account.You mite draw some more members.
Just a thought.
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Dear Irishman
We are lucky to have Aunty Huang and in our opinion she not only does she have a interesting turn of phrase but also we feel that her advice is solid as well. We think she will be a good draw to our site
Dear Maxx,
The site is designed to allow visitors to view our gallery of ladies without registering. You can browse through by clicking on the "previous" "next" links on top.
If you want to view each lady's profile in detail then you need to register.
However if you are experiencing something else do let me know.
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Wilson , I noticed ... that you only show Height in centimeter's and weight in kilograms . No one or very few will know these in America if not from a Euorpean or Asian Country . You must include Feet and Inches and american pounds , if you don't want them all write to Customer Care all the time asking the same question over and over .
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Dear Jim
Congratulations on your marriage and from everyone at Shifu Lem we wish you and your wife a happy marriage.
We do not have an office in Beijing. Our Shifu Lem HQ is in Hong Kong and we are supported by an Operations centre in Harbin and Guangzhou. Our Head of China is based in Hainan and/or HK.
In fact we are currently underrepresented in Beijing but we are working on coverage and this will be resolved in the near term
I am based in Singapore and HK and travel to China. We are negotiating offices in Guangzhou but we have not committed to these yet and it will depend if we want to centralize in China.
You are welcome to contact any of our people but in China you will have to speak in Chinese with them as their English is limited, except of course for our Customer Service who do speak good English. By the end of next month we will start our Buddy service and we will have bilingual people. If you want to ever speak with me directly I will be delighted to give you my contact details.
Dear Arnold,
Oops we left that out, that feature will be added in as soon as possible. Thank you for your suggestion!
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Ok Wilson, if I can do anything from here let me know. I do not speak Chinese well, but my wife of course does. She can translate.
I agree with Maxx, you should allow a certain number of looks before registering as that will get the hook in. I would more likely and in fact have registered after looking at a few profiles.( Of course before I met my wife) Before registering you cannot do anything but look. Maybe a one page look or something along those lines. And yes, Aunty is a good thing. Except why did she not want to write for you? Are you that bad that you had to convince her? I would think saying that once would be enough. Plus make it clear why she didnt want to write. I understand your intention of that but it might put something in the back of your mind when reading it.
Jim
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Dear Jim and Maxx
Thanks you have made a good suggestion on getting registrations - we are having a management meeting on this and examining practical and likely ways to move in the direction you suggest. Unfortunately it needs a programme change and perhaps we just open the entire profiles for viewing - I personally dont see a downside as it also fits well with our policy of openess and transparancy. I will keep you updated
Jim, we have two services where you could fit well and these are 1.Buddy and 2. Tours. The first Tour will be in October but not in Beijing and if you are still there and can spare 10 days for sightseeing in China this is something perhaps you could do.If you are hoing to stay on in China longer then yes definately we will have a lot of things going on.
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Wilson...great looking site. It has a nice feel to it. If you want to mention our forum in there, as a place for men to go to get help in their journey, please feel free. We are here for all men seeking, or in a relationship with a Chinese lady. We have no affiliation with any dating site, so we are strictly a help/support forum.
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Dear Martin
Thanks a lot - we have worked hard on this and it is nice to get feedback like yours. We have not added a forum as we did not want to be distracted at this stage and your offer is most welcome as people who are looking online do feel isolated and like to discuss on fourm's.
I will take this to the management committee meeting and I think they will approve.
We also have a Tour website starting to coincide with our official launch on the 090909 (or 999) - yes it is a little joke for us but i assure you not for our Chinese staff; and we could also add a link there.
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Wilson, Thanks for the offer, but I do not think I am well enough qualified. What I did mean was that I have a few good contacts in Beijing and Xi'an. they are certified tour guides and all speak, read and write English as well as learning Korean and French. My strong suits are in management and physical security with some IT management as well. I am really more interested in seeing your set up when I get the opportunity. I may move to Beijing in the near future but not at this time.
Your web site looks good. With the changes that are talked about it should be a success. I also agree with Martin. I think your site would be welcome as long as it is as you say it will be. As you know, we will be honest and fair in our evaluation. Even those of us who are married are here to help each other along the way.
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Dear Jim
Thanks for your comments. To be candid we are unlikely to set up in either Beijing or Shanghai because of the expense but we might run tours or other operations there. We will have an office(s) in Guangzhou and Harbin because these are places that suit our principals. As you know we are also in HK and this is our corporate HQ.
If you do move to Beijing and you are interested in doing something with us just give us a shout and we could always discuss in greater detail how we could work together.
I believe in the brotherhood and trust we will be evaluated fairly in our operations. On the other hand if we are seen to be deviating from our promises and ideals please do not hesitate to remind us.
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Wilson , I have a question . As your Forum and Chnlove will indeed be most competitive toward's each other . Do you also , are going to try to win " US " over from Chnlove ? You know most of us here are Member's there and most of us that found their Love there are going to be loyal to them for good . Now ? I know this is all Business , but to us it is to give something back that they gave us in return .
Or are you going to work side by side ( as friendly Companies ) or is it to steal all their Business from them ?
I like your sight very much , looks great , but I will never be convinced to honor another sight , as I do Chnlove .
So , you think there will be a mutual understanding among all three of us in the future , without somebody wanting to take control of the other ? In other word's , I wish you success of course , but not at Chnlove's cost . I very much like your input on this subject .
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Arnold I understand what you are saying.But I think we have more then payed back Chnlove what we owed them.Me and you have ben helping CHnlove for years.
I think it is time for something new.after all the bad stuff the agency have done to the members here.And chnlove covering for the agency.They have ben given more then a Chance to correct the agencies buissnes practices and they havent.They make excuses
I hope Wilson's site puts Chnlove out of buisness. Wison has a nice site with a good feeling to it once they make the changes we suggested.
Arnold if Qing needs help with the interview let me know.We can work something out in PM messageing
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I dont want to see chnlove put out of business...however, I would love to see some of the agencies put under. I think chnlove needs to do more to fix their problems.
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I dont want to see chnlove put out of business...however, I would love to see some of the agencies put under. I think chnlove needs to do more to fix their problems.
This is the way I feel , Martin . This Co . has given me something that no other has done . Anybody scamming anywhere should be put out of Business . If Chnlove is to fail , it's their own doing ... or not doing .
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Arnold, I feel somewhat as you do and mostly like Maxx does, Zhou was once a member of Chnlove but not when I met her here in the states so in a way Chnlove has helped me, and at the same time I was scammed more then once on Chnlove by the agencies.
Wilson, what I have seen of your site I like so far and I'm sure it will be even better if/when you include the changes that were said, now I also know that you are just starting out and there aren't many women signed up as yet but I have noticed that most of your ladies are in a 20 year range of 30 to 50 years of age and a few younger and older, I'm not saying this is good or bad but, it does seem that most of the men looking overseas are looking for this age group, my question is , was this on perpose or did it just happen this way?
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Wison I forgot to ask you something would you send me the information on how the women is to sign up for your agency.I have a sister in law.That needs a husband.
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Competition is good for everyone. It will make Wilson's site more attentive to their customers and Chnlove will maybe clean up its act with the Agencies once they see that it is really doing them more harm than good because people will head to Wilsons site. It ChnLove doesnt then they deserve to go under.
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Dear Arnold,
We were members and users of Chnlove’s service and the reason why we started Shifu Lem is because we were burned – when we discussed this among ourselves we felt that we did not wish these experiences on anyone who is truly looking for a partner.
Our services are designed to be responsive and personal and we look to put partners in front of each other asap so they can develop their relationship. We do not shy away from responsibility and we have both a moral and emotional responsible towards our members – we are looking for engagement not distance
Chnlove have their business model and ethics and good luck to them, we are not focused on them. Our focus is on the service to our members, our business growth and the welfare of our employee partners
From what you say you are a good friend of Chnlove and after you have seen and heard the experience of our service I hope you will be a good friend of Shifu Lem as well
Dear Michael
We wanted a truly representative age distribution but as you have noticed there is a concentration in the 20 year age distribution.
The short answer to your question is that this is not intentional but it just happened this way. We are reluctant to force the issue as we don’t want to interfere with the “natural’ growth of our business.
We have also declined to accept many ladies as they did not pass our 'tests' at the interview – these ladies have been in the younger age category.
Dear Maxx
We do accept ladies selectively directly on to our site and normally this is because we feel there is a lady who is really a good person but is unlikely to get attention because of her situation - ie young lady with more than one small child; With your sister in law we could ask our China Head to interview her and take her on the Matchmaking programme.
Please ask her to e-mail our head of China operation, Miss Huang Xiaoyun on xiaoyunhuang@shifulem.com and she will contact your sister in law directly to see the best way to represent her
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Wilson , first ... I don't like anybody scamming anybody , don't matter who they are . Chnlove has done many good things to a lot of people . It's the Agencies that are the problem . So , yes I like Chnlove and I will mention that also in my Book .
Let me tell you here , why I feel a little upset with you and your new site .
I went there to check it out and the first thing I noticed was... there was NO Forum ? Why , I thought ? When it hit me , you came here and befriended all of us ( or try'd at least ) so we could become the part that was missing on your site . Sound's simple , just HI-jack this Forum and make it your's to use at your site . If I'm wrong , then tell me why you had not thought of a Forum , when Chnlove had their's ? You are building your site after them after all , but without all the fake this and fake that , and offering better service . Which of course could or will make your site successful . But , I feel you were sneaky ( with the plan ) to take us to your place . Which you could have done in a more business like fashion , by telling us the Truth of your intention's in the first place .
All I need is a suitable answer from you , tell me .. us .. so I can put this aside , because I do not like to be used and I'm sure nobody else does .
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Has anyone found out about costs involved yet. All I can see is a charge of $2600 and $3900.
Maybe my girlfriend and I should start our own agency in Zhuhai and I can meet and greet all the visitors personally either at the ferry or airport for less than that sort of money.
Willy
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Dear Arnold
I apologize if I have upset you – this was not my intention. I have always had the same reason for posting and that is to get the Forum opinion which I knew I would.
We started Shifu Lem to provide a service that we wish to have ourselves and we did not model ourselves on any existing company. Yes we were scammed badly and this was our motivation.
The lack of a Forum is an omission which we recognized however as we are in the pre launch phase there are other more crucial changes to be made some of which have been detailed in this thread. This will be rectified and we will have our own forum in due course.
There is also a case to be made of an external Forum where criticism can be voiced more effectively and without vested censorship we have debated this as well but we are unlikely to take this route. If it does start it will do so on its own accord
It appeared to us that the majority of people on this site are married, engaged or attached and the value is your opinion from your experience as you have already made your selection and are unlikely to use another site. For users we have an active marketing campaign which we hope to attract and generate members.
Arnold, I am not using you or anybody here. I have been open and honest if you want to check me call me directly. I will take your call
Dear Willy
These are the cost of the Tours and this is run in conjunction with an Affiliate- this will be off the site at launch and it will have its own site but there will be a reference to it.
A full list of charges/prices is in the section Service List and subsection Price List.
There are a lot of couples who have done just as you have said and set up a Tour Agency’s. You will find after transfers, tours, cocktails, meals and hotel bills and not to mention matchmaking services, the charges are not outrageous.
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i am one who doesn't feel that the lack of a forum would be a deal breaker for me. case in point,
CHNLOVE has a forum and it still sucks. let's say that the forum is less restrictive. what comes with
that is a slipperly slope which also encourages free for all .... discussions, to put it politely. so it's almost
a win/lose situation. infrastructure needed to implement ie staff allocated to monitor the forums
and posts
i'd be more interested in beefing up some 'code of conduct' or rules
of operation, etc to ensure that the playing field is more level.
many of our questions and apprehensions have to do with legitimacy
of the ladies, are we being played?, reasonable accuracy in photos,
etc etc.
if you're attempting to set up a competing service, i'd review the type
of complaints and questions raised here (vis a vis CHNLOVE) and
see if you can offer a product/service which improves on the
competition.
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Wilson
Not neccesarily so that the majority of members here are married, engaged or attached. It is just that the majority of the information that is posted here comes from Members here who have been through the process (for better or worse !!) and have timely, relevant and sound advice for the "silent majority" of members who are new to the whole process.
Those of us who are unattached, clearly see that the problems we encounter........very well spelled out by Raymond .....are more about the Agencies themselves , rather than with CHNLove. Although it could be said that CHNLove is really accountable because of their failure to successfully impose codes of conduct and ethics on some of their representative Agencies....and their inability to do anything about the number of legitimate complaints raised by members here...myself included.
There is a growing awareness on this Forum that in so many cases we are being treated as Cash machines, and insulted and offended as a result.
If you dont have ruthless control over the behaviour of those Agencies who are effectively your front end troops, then you have no chance of any long term loyalty from all the men out here who genuinely seek a relationship...via an honest broker. Forums such as this one, quickly fetch out the bad bits and share them amongst us all...for the greater good !!
DavidE
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Dear Raymond
Your comments are interesting and I have alerted my management committee to them as you have hit bull’s eye and we have thought we had made the service levels explicit. Evidently not and we will be working to amend this.
Our model envisages that the couple in distance romance would like to see and speak to each other. We feel it is quite different to look at someone’s photo and see the person “live”. Our value proposition is the webcam chat and the time to determination of suitability. The quicker you can address the uncertainty the better.
Scamming and churning is a real issue and we have zero tolerance – we state this in our site. However we fully expect that we will be tested at some point. We feel the more a couple interacts directly with each other – webcam, phone, face to face the dynamics of scamming is altered and probability much reduced.
We will have to make this more explicit and we will be doing just this over the next few days. Raymond can I ask you for a big favor please? Can you look at http://www.youtube.com/shifulem and see if this is a good representation?
Dear David
We have an internal mantra which perhaps it is appropriate to share with you. It is honest representation - we try to present the ladies as they are. We are working towards getting all our ladies on webcam but there are logistic issues which we are slowly resolving.
I have posted a link in my response to Raymond and this is where we should move to.
The next is Honest Communication – we don’t like cheats or being cheated and we don’t want that – there are plenty of other sites where they can practice that. This also applies to men as well.
There is a balance between intrusion and advice and we will find this, we have spoken personally to all the ladies on our site and I am not sure how practical this will be in the future but our representatives will continue to do this and also to monitor relationships as they grow.
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Dear Willy
These are the cost of the Tours and this is run in conjunction with an Affiliate- this will be off the site at launch and it will have its own site but there will be a reference to it.
A full list of charges/prices is in the section Service List and subsection Price List.
to mention matchmaking services, the charges are not outrageous.
In have tried to find the price list as you state but cannot. I just want to know how much credits are going to cost.
Willy
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I personally do not see where Wilson is using anyone anymore than any of us would do if we were starting a site of our own. he is just gathering information for his use from members here that have been there and done that. Just see that we are his test market without paying for it. So what? If you do not want to help then dont. he is not forcing anyone here to help or answer. the proof will be in the pudding as they say. we will monitor him of course and if he or his site isnt what he claims then we will be the first to point that out. Of course he is trying to befriend us, wouldnt you? he is just a business man trying to get something going. You cant tell me that Chnlove (or an agency) has not done that also. but in a more underhanded way. At least Wilson is above board in what he is doing. Look those of us who are married or found their love have nothing more to win or lose. We are just trying to protect the ones coming after us from having the same mistakes/problems that we have had. That is the reason we are still here. we certainly dont need any of this anymore. I for one am not going to give all of my allegiance to any one site. Because as i said before competition is good for us all. That is what keeps prices down, makes the companies work harder to keep their word, etc.
maybe he should have had a forum to begin with, but look at what Chnlove's forum has turned into. Why was this place started to begin with? Because if their forum was as it should be we would have not been needed. And you know darn well that if he starts to screw with people we will be the first to start yelling about it. he cant buy us all off. Because we are independent and do not need anyone else. we do not need funding or anything else. If he is willing to put a link to our site from his, that tells me at least he has the confidence that he is going to produce.
As they say we shall see.
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I for one am not knocking the project. I just want to know how much it will cost because when I tell Xia how many are coming to stay for New Year then I will probably be starting over again.
Willy
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During our daily end of day management meeting I raised the issue of Forum for discussion. To cut a long story short the consensus was that this was not something we wanted to instigate at this point but rather when we are more established and have more time and resources to manage the discussion threads.
What kept the discussion going was the discussion is that on the one hand we at Shifu Lem provide services (both chargeable and non chargeable) that are designed to resolve issues and assist. On the other however the point which is justly being made that member may see us mearly as a service provider and look for independent advice and guidance from experienced members.
The decision was made that we will start a Forum as a blog with links to Shifu Lem and that could develop as an independent site with its own dynamics and act as a body doing due diligence on our activities
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Dear Willy
The base cost of a credit is US$4
We have various packages which are essentially volume advance purchase discounts which reduce the price of the credit.
We will have to look into how we present this information better on the website
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Dear Willy
The base cost of a credit is US$4
We have various packages which are essentially volume advance purchase discounts which reduce the price of the credit.
We will have to look into how we present this information better on the website
That pricing looks reasonable.
Willy
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Just to keep everyone informed that after months of toil and sweat we have finally officially launched Shifu Lem today at 09 minutes to 0900 China time.
We have incorporate the changes suggested here apart from two 1. The Forum and 2, measurements in imperial measures
We considered establishing a Forum but decided that given the current level of our development this is nice to have but not crucial. More importantly is the isolation people feel when looking online. Our service are designed to cover this aspect. H9owever we do recognise that human nature will prefer an independent forum and we will start an Shifu Lem blog and if the demand is there it will take off
We do recognise the importance of information but it was not possible to incorporate imperial measurements onto our system. We will do this in the next phase of development which is already in the design stage
The uploading of profiles have been slower than anticipated as each lady has to be checked and crossed checked by our staff. currently we have just under 200 loaded and by the end of the month we will have 500. By the end of the year we will have 2.500 and this figure will take some management as there will be departures and additions of profiles to maintain existing levels let alone additions for growth.
We have already been commissioned as Matchmaker services which is an encouraging development at this stage and we had our first webcam 10 days ago with the gentleman planning to visit next month. Perhaps this will lead to our first testimonial.
We will have 3 more announcements of service which you may find interesting and we will make them over the course of the next week or so.
Finally in this rather lengthy note, a personal word of thanks to all of you for your comments and criticism - it made us stronger and better!!!
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Wilson,
I truly hope it is what you said it will be. if it is, I am sure it will be a success. Good luck. How much does it cost for the ladies to join? My wifes friend is a Dr. in Wuhan. I do not know if she is interested or not, but would like to tell her. I know my wife would love for her to find someone from the states. lol
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Dear Jim
If your wife's sister is interested please ask her to contact Huang Zhaohui at zhaohuihuang@shifulem.com - she covers Wuhan and she will take care of her. You might be interested to know that there is a problem with Agencies in Wuhan as ladies have been complaining against sharp practices and they are now under investigations. Your wife and her friend will know all about this.
Thank you for your good wishes
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No, my wife was from an agency in Beijing. They have nothing to do with agencies in Wuhan. I am a bit surprised that you are not going to Beijing. Unless you feel that it is too much to take on right now and your efforts and money are better spent developing other areas first. That I can understand. From a business model it makes sense. But, the Market Garden agency is ripe for a takeover. A lot of dissatisfied customers, not following up on their women, women getting married and them not knowing about it, underhanded practices, wholesale lying to both parties.
If i were thinking of going into business for myself that is an agency I would target.
Just a thought.
Jim
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Dear Jim
We will be in Beijing but we have to make sure we do it well. Personally I am not in favour of taking over an Agency as they have have all sorts of unresolved issues and payables which we would only get to know too late. For us we would always start from scratch or a new venture if we are setting up our Agency that way we know what we have has been verified and the agency is clean
We all know how difficult it is to determine the personality of your lady in a different language and different customs. So we have introduced a ccompatibility test which when used in conjunction with the other criteria you have gives you a good choice(s) to explore if you can develop a true connection.
We know the limitations of these tests and this should not be the only criteria but one of the signposts on your journey to find your life partner.
Yes it is a marketing tool for us and you can check it out at
http://www.shifulem.com/match.php
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I better have a look at the gallery to check if any of my former vistors have changed there names. Do not want to retrace my steps - so to speak.
Willy
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Wilson, I like your concept......it seems like a big task lies before your group. I hope you can make it work because the competition will be good for everyone.
Assign a Quality Control Director, or task one of your Customer Support Team to conduct random "Quality Control Interviews" with selected women from the agencies. Perform occasional message verification by phone or in person. Not everyone is going to do the Web Cam option and agencies can still churn away $4 messages unnoticed (on their ladies behalf).
About your site...I would like to offer some input on the layout and how you're doing things. Please don't take offense none is meant. If you were my client (I'm not asking you to be) these are the things I would suggest you change.
1. The home page header has waaaaay too much wasted space. The header layout is unrealistic and you're forcing the audience to scroll to see anything. Even on subsequent pages the header region is still far too large. You're page should fit within in a screen at common resolutions if at all possible. I mocked up a page for you to look at: Page with short header (http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4593/shifulem.jpg)
2. Pricing is hard to find, If potential customers can't find the pricing easily they will leave...it sends the wrong message. I had to drill down 2-3 times to see the pricing. Nobody expects this to be a free service so don't hide the price structure.
3. Home page fluff...people are coming to the site to find a Chinese wife. Do you provide what they are looking? What will it cost them? If you answer those two questions immediately you should substantially cut down the bounce rate of your site and more people will stay to browse. Your company name, Your logo, The philosophy statement, value statements, etc are all incidental, yes they are very important in the grand scheme of things but...you really want to get to the heart of this immediately. I personally would begin showing the women on the home page. Discuss Mission and Integrity on the "About Us" page
4. Let people browse profiles for free, present some "Loss Leaders" in the form of Discounted Memberships, Free Credit Giveaways, First Message Free, etc..(they have to register to get those deals)...welcome customers into your system. Don't nag them to sign up in the first minute, you will run a lot of business off that way.It was not very inviting (or clever) to have the womans profile overtaken by a nag screen almost immediately. Let them browse for free and give them a reason to sign up. Give them a reason to keep coming back. Why do car dealerships let customers drive new cars home, because after they've driven the new car for a while there is no way they'll go back. The sale has already been made.
5. Feature your strong points, what sets your service apart from all the other sites out there ... Embed a video of a sample webcam session on the home page, show clients (with their permission) engaged in a webcam session. Illustrate this honest difference point and you should win people over.
Good Luck with the project!
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I personally like every one of Phils ideas Wilson. You should have your team look very closely at it.
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I better have a look at the gallery to check if any of my former vistors have changed there names. Do not want to retrace my steps - so to speak.
Willy
Perhaps viagra has addled my brain but I cannot get into the site to make any searches or view the ladies. I cannot even finds a place to sign up with my name etc.
Is it just me that has problems? Maybe I will give it a miss after all. with over 1000 women listed with Zhuhai agencies on Chnlove there are probably enough for me.
Willy
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Dear Phil
Thank you very much for your excellent advice. First of all I would like to offer you our Matchmaker service for 3 months and 10 free credits to Shifu Lem. If and when you register please send me a mail and I will add it in your account.
All our relationship staff are quality control personnel. They are responsible and accountable for the activity and quality. As shareholders they have a proprietarily interest in the soundness of our service. More specifically every relationship that develops is checked for churning/ scamming etc.
There is an issue that the industry has a high incidence of keyboard Romeos which can be up to 80%. Agencies feel that can treat the men with impunity. We do not subscribe to this and feel that every exchange of letter should be treated with seriousness and respect.
Actually if a couple have serious intentions, we feel, they will want to see each other hear the other’s voice and mannerisms, if they do not avail themselves of the webcam option there will always be a question mark as to the intentions. But I do concede for whatever reason an individual may not want webcam
You raise some very interesting points which we have been discussing and we will definitely address all of them. We are looking at them now and over the next week or so there will be action and we will keep you in the loop.
Dear Willy
All our ladies are individually verified by our staff in China and this takes a little time. We are loading ladies from Guangzhou and then Dalian followed by Chengdu in the next priority listing.
The pipeline is full but we need to stick to our principals of what we promised. We are certain if we stick by our principals we will be rewarded by loyal clients – if we have client satisfaction we will have profit.
Dear Abigbutt
The agency in Changsha is not Changsha Love Bridge. Please be assured we check each of the ladies as their profiles are being uploaded.
Please also look at the reply to Phil’s comments as some of the issues about scams/churning are addressed there.
Ladies from other parts of China are currently being uploaded but this is a time consuming job as they are checked so we do this relatively slowly to keep quality control.
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Dear Willy
All our ladies are individually verified by our staff in China and this takes a little time. We are loading ladies from Guangzhou and then Dalian followed by Chengdu in the next priority listing.
The pipeline is full but we need to stick to our principals of what we promised. We are certain if we stick by our principals we will be rewarded by loyal clients – if we have client satisfaction we will have profit.
so there is no way in yet to see any ladies at the moment - regardless of where they are from. That was what i was querying. So how do your staff check then out. Is it individually by going to interview each one or is it just to make sure that their payment has cleared!!
I know that I am synical but surely you are on here just acting as PR for the company you started.
It may be a long wait before you are up and running so thank God that there are another 1000 women on the Zhuhai Chnlove agency lists.
Willy
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Dear Willy
Currently visitors in China will not be able to view the full version of our site. Only men with existing accounts can access all the features. If you would like to, do send me an email on admin@shifulem.com with your desired login name and I will create an account for you.
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Dear Willy
Currently visitors in China will not be able to view the full version of our site. Only men with existing accounts can access all the features. If you would like to, do send me an email on admin@shifulem.com with your desired login name and I will create an account for you.
I am not a visitor to China - I live here but I will send the details.
Willy
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Dear Willy
All our ladies are individually verified by our staff in China and this takes a little time. We are loading ladies from Guangzhou and then Dalian followed by Chengdu in the next priority listing.
The pipeline is full but we need to stick to our principals of what we promised. We are certain if we stick by our principals we will be rewarded by loyal clients – if we have client satisfaction we will have profit.
so there is no way in yet to see any ladies at the moment - regardless of where they are from. That was what i was querying. So how do your staff check then out. Is it individually by going to interview each one or is it just to make sure that their payment has cleared!!
I know that I am synical but surely you are on here just acting as PR for the company you started.
It may be a long wait before you are up and running so thank God that there are another 1000 women on the Zhuhai Chnlove agency lists.
Willy
Dear Willy
Why not be cynical? We have said many times why we are here but when we get comments like we did from Phil – how valuable is that?
All comments here have been invaluable and we have incorporated nearly all of them. We are also certain if we do not stick by what we say we will be reminded of this and we are prepared to be judged by the high standards we have set.
So please kick the tyres, slam the doors and if there is a flaw we will soon find it and we will fix it.
But remember it is not only the quantity but also the honesty and security that you need – we will soon have the volume and we know for the uninitiated this is an important criteria and we also know you will look for much more.
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Dear Phil
Once again thank you and if you browsed our site recently you will have noticed
1. We have incorporated your short header idea
2. You can now browse unlimited ladies profiles
3. We have a Pricing section in the navigation bar
Our landing pages are appropriate dependent where one comes from – we will looking to alter the entry page.
Yes you are right, even with these few changes, a visit to our site seems a much better experience. There will be more to come
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Dear Phil
Once again thank you and if you browsed our site recently you will have noticed
1. We have incorporated your short header idea
2. You can now browse unlimited ladies profiles
3. We have a Pricing section in the navigation bar
Our landing pages are appropriate dependent where one comes from – we will looking to alter the entry page.
Yes you are right, even with these few changes, a visit to our site seems a much better experience. There will be more to come
Looking good Wilson...I like being able to browse the profiles and then only being asked to join when I want to view the profile details. Very Nice!
Watermarks on the images! Good, protect your work!
Short header on profile pages is looking good!
Prices are easy to find! Good... Nobody makes apologies when charging for their services you should not be the ones to start!
I know you're still looking at the home page, but consider this...there is so much market research out there now that states "Unless you are a Fortune 500 company that has a significant culture built behind a brand, it carries very little weight". Like I mentioned previously all the home page artwork and those value articles are nice...But, it's a vanity page for the designers and owners.
Hope everyone will forgive me for comparing lifelong relationships to fast food, but here is my example: When I go to McDonalds I am not interested in their corporate culture, civic pride, altruistic mission statement, relationship with the growers and unions, etc. I want a Cheeseburger and french fries (Product), they are cheap (Price), fast and clean (Value).
In your case: Provide gentlemen access to Chinese women looking for husbands (Product), make the service affordable (Price), protect the gentlemen from being scammed by the agency (Value).
Wilson, please PM me an email address, I have some articles for you to read.
Looking good....nice job improving things!
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Wilson
Congratulations on the new site. One thing that I noticed is that on your registration site you are asking people to send a lot of personal information to an unsecured web site. I personally will not be joining this site until I am hitting a https (secured) site instead of an http (unsecured) for registration. Otherwise site looks great.
Kent
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Dear Kethomps,
You make a very good point this is one thing we have looked at. We are in the process of obtaining a Trust Guard Seal to verify our business and will be putting in SSL shortly as well.
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Dear Kent
You will be delighted to know we have done exactly as you wanted and we should really thank you again for pointing out an omission on our part. It is corrected and all pages which requires user details are covered by a valid SSL certificate.
You can now try us.
You will also notice we have gone one step further and provided a full anti scam guarantee, and we also have to thank one of the contributors for this suggestions
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Wilson, just checked out your site, with all the new improvements, good job, keep up the good work and good luck.
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It seems so far, Wilson has done everything he said he was going to do. Now we will see if the ladies follow through. Wilson, what city is the closest to Beijing do you have an office that i could visit? I would like to see your operation in person. That way I can tell my brothers what i saw.
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Dear MLM
Thanks
Dear Jim
I think we covered this point before. Our corporate offices are in HK. Our operational offices is in Harbin, Our Partnership office is based in Guangzhou and our sales in Hainan Island and Changsha. We are cuurently examining a feasibility study for the upgrade of our office in Changsha and it is likely at this stage we will follow through.
In addition we will be opening offices with our partnership Tour business likely to be next month. For the location we are again looking at Guangzhou but we will almost certainly need to have offices in Beijing in time.
We have just been audited by Trust Guard and we now have their seal of approval. Our directors and principals are frequently travelling to and in China and possibly to Beijing as well. I will be in China next month to audit our afiliate and also to welcome a "love tour" group but this will be in Chengdu. However if you are in any of these places please let us know and we can always arrange for you to go and meet our people. Also if you are in HK or Singapore please let us know we can always meet for a beer.
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It has been sometime since I announced our intention to start our Agency. So it is time for me to give you a progress report and timetable.
We have been very busy and we stumbled many times to get to this point but we have a service and a website. But more than that we have a good team in place all of who have the same values and objectives.
We are loading our site and we are almost ready to launch. We will now Beta test over the coming weeks and there will obviously be things we need to modify, rectify, add and delete.
It would be a privilege for us to get your comments and I invite you to visit our site and have a look round and make any comments. Our site address is
www.shifulem.com
Currently we have a total of 750 ladies of which a few profiles have been loaded and progressively increase over the next few weeks.
Our services are broken into the standard
Correspondence - translated
Webcam -translated
Matchmaking
Tours
Personal Introduction Tours
We have some find Affiliate agreements and with our principal participations we have a fine management structure.
Please browse and let us know and if we should be privileged enough to have you as a member as a Beta tester for the next 2 weeks we will give you a 25% discount on the credits you purchase – so for every 4 you buy you will get 1 free. So if you register and purchase credits please send us an e-mail : cs@shifulem.com and the head of our CS office is Angel
Look forward to seeing you on the other side
Since everybody is checking out different companies.I thought I mite as well bump this one back to the top.If somebody wants to try this one.Let us know how it goes. is in no way assaociated with Chnlove.info.The owner of this web site asked if he could post it here.The mods and administrater agreed so here it is.
Sorry guys.I don't know what happend my link is broken.But wilson link is working.
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Maxx take the n off the link. dead ends to nooooooooowhere.
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Wilson:
1) I put down that I'm Canadian as a country. Then the province list comes up as French. Why? English and French are both official languages.
2) Since the site is obviously to date/relationship with Asian woman, why when you are asked what ethnicity you want to date there's choices like: Latin, Caucasion, Muslin, etc?
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Dear All,
Many apologies for not posting before and more often but as you can imagine we have been very busy. Our development is largely in line with our plans.
A few things you might be interested in and these are things that were discussed some time ago and we are launching these over the next few weeks
1. Our Sister company will launch matchmaker tours in China and there will be a set schedule for 2010.
2. A blog will be online in approximately 2 weeks and we will have a life coach as the expert blogger and ladies blogging their profiles as a way of presenting themselves. This will include a forum that many have asked we have on our site. The blog manager is a lady who has been in journalism and is an asset to us.
3. Our base ladies profiles are increasing and because of our stringent checks are increasing as a steady bit slow pace.
4. We examine our user experience constantly and we are making improvements constantly. Unfortunately there are a lot of small improvements to be made
5. Our blogs will include ladies from China and Singapore and then expanding to other Asian countries when we have the resources - so there will be different ethnic types on our site.
6. We are also in discussions with the Singapore authorities for certification and Gao Teng is our lead in this area- we are sanguine on the probability. This is not easy to get and there are only 9 official licences in Singapore. We hope we could be the 10th.
If any of you do surf our site and see someone you would like to get to know; drop Huang Xiao Yun our head of China operations a line and she and her team will take care of you
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Wilson: question,
Admirer Emails - do they require the girl's approval or does the agency do that by themselves?
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Nevermind, the answer would be No. I just found out.
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I am sorry for the late reply and the answer to your question is yes the ladies are the ones that approve the initiation of the contact. In our system we go to a lot of trouble and expense to ensure this to the extent of calling the ladies up. We do not see multiple introduction mails from one lady to many men and we do not have a mass circulation system for the agencies so this is not feasible.
Also the agencies have signed agreements with us which excludes this beheviour and they know as well as us that it is not in their interests either,
You know we recommend strongly that after a few letter you arrange a webcam chat. This is precisely to avoid this sort of misunderstandingand to bring you closer to your lady. We invite dialogue on our site so if you have any suspicion of wrongdoing simply contact our head of operations and she will be on to the issue immediately
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Okay, I'll try again then. It was just odd that a lady mentioned my picture on an message (after I did a I2C) which I haven't posted yet.
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RegnisTheGreat,
Apologies for the delay. We conducted an audit and spoke to the lady. This is a translator error who was instructed by the lady
The full details have been sent to you through private message
Wilson