China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => The Campfire => Topic started by: ttwjr32 on August 20, 2010, 06:12:09 pm
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china's miss universe contestant this year
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Problem with these Journos/Economists is that they always got to beat their own drum and mostly let their own skewed views get in the way of reality.
Remember the beat up over the "2000 bug"...economists and Journos predicted Global catastrophe and got gullible Governments to spend squillons of research dollars to "study the phenomena"...what phenomena...nothing happened.
Remember these same folks were merrily predicting endless boom times ahead...but they never saw the economic crash coming.
Remember these same folks were actually recommending that us mere mortals jump on board the "sub-prime" showboat...how many Americans (and some others) lost everything due to this piece of treasured wisdom from the "gurus"
These same folks are now back on the bandwagon and off again with another round of wise predictions..and us idiots read them and believe them...again. We are gluttons for punishment aren't we !!!
Thereis a fundamental flaw in the economic aruement put forwrd by Gizell, and that centres around 1.3 Billion Chinese !!! To keep this many people in a basic life, with no frills, requires the economy of China to grow at 6 % per annum. Population growth..even at their reduced level, will add 4% to the population eqch year...never mind the growth in demand for some of the "luxuries" we in the West take for granted.
There is no way that Chinas growth can ever get below 6 %...unless there is such a disater, it would not matter anyway.
As for energy and resources, yes China is a huge consumer of energy...why do you think they spend such vast amounts of money on stuff like the 3 gorges project. China is also the country that is replacing fossil fuel power generation the fastest in the world.
As for resources and raw materials, they will never be a problem, Australia for instance has the reserves and capacity to support an expansion of demand for coal, gas, iron ore, nikel, and alumina for as much as they want for the next 500 years.
The real problem, in the psyche of these doomsayers is that they are completely incapable of facing the reality that the USA may not be the most important and dominant force on the planet for ever. and that gives them pain !! So they are desperate to rationalise why China must falter in its charge to be the economic (and thus the power base) superpower over the next 10 years or so.
Just ask the Romans, The Goths, The Brits and all the other global superpowers of their day....nothing lasts forever.
David
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Remember these same folks were merrily predicting endless boom times ahead...but they never saw the economic crash coming.
Remember these same folks were actually recommending that us mere mortals jump on board the "sub-prime" showboat...how many Americans (and some others) lost everything due to this piece of treasured wisdom from the "gurus"
These same folks are now back on the bandwagon and off again with another round of wise predictions..and us idiots read them and believe them...again
ok i was just posting articles i read here for all to see as i read the news extensively each day. i did not say i was one of the IDIOTS that believes what they say just thought i would post it.
on the endless boom in the USA it was actually a very good time for us who had the insight to dump everything at the time were a fortune
could be made so their talk of the endless boom helped many of us to evaluate everything and make money the ones who let greed set in
and wanted to wait are now the ones suffering and i do know my share of those people
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Gwynee Dyer is a Canadian, not an American.
As to the article.... I can not see where his intent is to doomsay the Chinese Economy because of his wish to keep America as number one.
David, you stated "Remember these same folks were merrily predicting endless boom times ahead...but they never saw the economic crash coming."
I see Gwynne Dyer's article as a cautionary warning that elaborates your own logic "Just ask the Romans, The Goths, The Brits and all the other global superpowers of their day....nothing lasts forever"
Is this not just what Gwynee also concurs?
I am supposing that you are referring to the Article posted by Ted called "China's cautionary tale
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And Ted.... for my vote..... I do not consider this years Miss China Universe girl as that very pretty. But then that is just one man's opinion as I have already found my Mrs Universe 8)
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I was wondering what I was missing. All I see is an unhealthily skinny Chinese lady.
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Neil I think the response got side tracked off of Ted's posting thread "In the News"
We have had Hi-jacked threads so I guess this is the first Side-tracked thread.
But then come to think of it... I have heard put forward the theory that fashion trends predict economic directions. Eghad maybe there will be a skimpy future growth for China's near future ala Skinny Chinese Universe contestant.
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Ted
Only a tiny few people made money out of the sub-prime/investment bubble...a lot of ordinary folk lost everything. I dont think that greed was the total issue, but usually these folk were acting on advice given by "greedy" experts. If you were among the fortunate/clever few who did OK out of the disaster, good for you. But I also know many ordinary people who lost the lot...and they were not greedy...just hoping to make a better life, based on bad advice.
Rhon
Gizell postulates that despite the trending and projections visible based on the past 20 years, China must falter in its march towards the Global economic dominance that is apparent. His logic to make this prediction is flawed. Yet he continues to believe that NOBODY can overtake USA as the global economic superpower. My point is, that eventually World orders change, sometimes for the better...sometimes not. Most of us here wont be around to witness the World in 50 years time...but I bet it wont look the same as now in Geopolitical or Economic terms. I personally (and my Research Team) cannot see the status quo being maintained, with USA at the top of the heap, and everybody else somewhere below this...in whatever way you wish to define "below"
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David,
i was fortunate to get out when the getting out was good. so i made money on it but my freinds were always thinking
that the mountain was going to keep growing and they lost everything. my only regret was i didnt sell the last house i lived in
as i didnt do well with that one but i did manage to get out of it when i came to china. and yes your right they were listening
to the experts and thats what cost them dearly which is why you have to take all these expert advises with a grain of salt
and dont speculate what they are saying is gospel as it usually doesnt work out that well in the long run
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David.... I think you are in an interesting field of research. Is this Gizell articule something Ted posted? Because I only found the Gwynee posting, unless you are refering that Gwynee was drawing his premise from a Gizell articule. Of course, now this thread has been derailed from the picture posting and probably needs to be moved under its own topic.
I am a big fan of reading about Social Economics "Freakenomics" so if you are engaged in this kinda of research David, then lets Date ;)
And David what about this articule I just came across?
http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/personal-finance/article/yfinance/1783/the-worlds-best-stock-market (http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/personal-finance/article/yfinance/1783/the-worlds-best-stock-market)
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I was wondering what I was missing. All I see is an unhealthily skinny Chinese lady.
I agree, too thin, and pale looking ....
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Lots of young Chinese ladies are skinny ... doesn't mean she's unhealthy. You'll find the rest of the Asian country representatives the same. This young woman is representing all of China, they wouldn't have selected her if she was unhealthy.
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I have to agree withe overwhelming majority here.... I too do not think she is as attractive as many Chinese ladies I have seen. Also while the Chinese may place a desire for what I call the "dead anorexic" look...overly thin, and pale....I really do not care for it. She may be "beautiful" by Chinese standards, but by "Western" standards she is simply average....at least to me.
Now here is what I call a REAL Chinese beauty. Chinese actress Angel Xu
(http://www.chinese-tools.com/jdd/public/documents/cc/olive/20100531-xudaini.2.jpg)
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average to say the least just posted the thread to show who is representing china
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I was wondering what I was missing. All I see is an unhealthily skinny Chinese lady.
I agree, too thin, and pale looking ....
:-\
Lots of young Chinese ladies are skinny ... doesn't mean she's unhealthy. You'll find the rest of the Asian country representatives the same. This young woman is representing all of China, they wouldn't have selected her if she was unhealthy.
Haha. Ok, how about unattractively skinny Chinese lady?
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ok politically correct now hahahhah
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Neil like you I thought i missed something?
I need to answer these in my own way, if I may?
The "2000 bug"...but they never saw the economic crash coming.
I knew nothing was going to happen, I said it then esp. when I heard that elevators would drop down shafts? At the time I was installing and troubleshooting the electronics of elevators throughout the state. So I knew this wasn't going to happen.
Remember these same folks were actually recommending the "sub-prime" how many Americans lost everything due to this piece of treasured wisdom.
Another thing I told people I knew to stay away from but did they listen? It was to easy to get but in the long run? turned to crap.
She is a little skinny.
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Ted and Lain just keep putting up the Pictures.
I don't care about the economy stuff.
But in this western guys eyes she is gorgeous.
Anorexic no but she is just skinny.
Very young in 10 or 15 years when she gains that 10 or 15 pounds.
She will just be even better yet.
I have been in lake County the past 8 or 9 years. Most of the women there are fugly.
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Jimmy,
Lets just hope that people don't ask what "fugly" is. Hahaha... :o
Dave C
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I think the picture Lain posted makes her look a little better.I don't think she is that pretty.If you look close enough.She has Vulcan ears.That is a real turn off for me.
On this thread we do need to stick to one topic.So if you guys want.I can split the topics..I think both of them are kind of interesting.So let me or one of the other mods know what you want to do.I will let the economics thread continue.As long as thiere is no country bashing.You can state your opinion.Just don't be rude or hateful.And post something bad about somebody else's country.
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Vulcan ears?? thats an interesting comment hahaha
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Lain wrote ... Now here is what I call a REAL Chinese beauty. Chinese actress Angel Xu
HAHAHAHAHA .... you cracked me up. What's the major difference between these two ??? ... Just their chest size.
They're "A" and "1A". They're both beautiful.
Both of them have the "SAME" size arms, legs, belly and slim jaw tight cheeks.
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I was wondering what I was missing. All I see is an unhealthily skinny Chinese lady.
I agree, too thin, and pale looking ....
:-\
But she will be the raw model of a lot of young Chinese women.. To bad...
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The real problem, in the psyche of these doomsayers is that they are completely incapable of facing the reality that the USA may not be the most important and dominant force on the planet for ever. and that gives them pain !! So they are desperate to rationalize why China must falter in its charge to be the economic (and thus the power base) superpower over the next 10 years or so.
Just ask the Romans, The Goths, The Brits and all the other global superpowers of their day....nothing lasts forever.
David
Man it's a drag to be right sometimes, But you certainly are. The greed and arrogance of the American people will be their downfall. And unfortunately I think it will be more sooner than later. And some of the biggest babies of the bunch have control of some of the most powerful forces on the planet. And I have a feeling a lot of good and innocent people will be hurt when they have that temper tantrum.
And like I try and tell my kids, all of the wishful thinking in the world will not change things.
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Ron
I am not sure that we should be talking about "Freakonomics" in the Miss Universe thread....but WTF... ;D ;D
At work, we have been doing serious economic modelling for some high power Government Agencies, where we want to take a detailed look at some future scenarios vis-a-vis the shifting economic dynamics in the World as China continues to grow at a very fast pace. As your article rightly points out, Australia has shifted it old alliance with England and , to an extent , the West and re-aligned its Busines and Social model on Asia, We have massive resources and very little second and third tier manufacturing, in essence we are a giant quarry...shifting dirt all over the World...especially China these days.
In that is a strength and also a weakness. Recent history proved that it is a robust model for our times..but this may not hold good for the long term.
Central to our economic modelling is the relativity of demand from the awakening economies...China, India, Indonesia - wherein some 70%+ of the World population is located...thus even though "per-capita" these folks have a lot less than developed countries...there is a heck of a lot of them !!!!...and they slowly will increase their individual demands towards the "life of material pefection" so well advocated by developed countries, led by USA.
If, over the next few decades, even a small percentage of these people have small increments in income, lifestyle, possessions, the scale of it all has huge implications for the changing patterns of demand for Australian resources...could be all good news, or could be a disaster.
Hence we must seriously look at the consequences of China (or somebody??) soon becoming the "largest" economy.
Our research suggests that China WILL achieve this, and we also dont think that USA has seen the last of the bad news about its own economy...not by a long way, sadly.
It is not for me or my team to coment on what USA should do...we are only small fish in THAT pond...but for the research we are doing inside our own sphere of influence, what we are finding is very important for our future here, stuck at the end of the planet...a Western Country (by background and tradition) being inescapably grafted into Asia .
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I dont know about smug or greedy.The people who seems to crawl in office definately are being looked at more and more because they arent going with what is best for the majority.As far as an american goes I know we put our noses in everyones business,henever a country has problems we keep sending aid till it hurts even pakistan is getting aid from us and they are helping the terrorists.We went through the industry phase and to this day we are still cleaning rivers from pollution that steel mills poured in the water.Oklahoma was a barren desert from all the oil rigs.Strip mining now has to put the land back the way they found it.You would think china as the number 2 country would build water treatment plants for the people.Seems like all countries sell their souls to be on top.I am just looking at this as a what were they thinking kind of attitude nothing personal with any country.
Ron
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I was wondering what I was missing. All I see is an unhealthily skinny Chinese lady.
I agree, too thin, and pale looking ....
:-\
But she will be the raw model of a lot of young Chinese women.. To bad...
... and to all young ladies around the world ...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/television/andrew-ryan/the-miss-universe-flesh-parade-call-it-nbc-family-viewing/article1681645/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/television/andrew-ryan/the-miss-universe-flesh-parade-call-it-nbc-family-viewing/article1681645/)
The tv show at it's worst. In Colombia, contestants go to great lengths such as plastic surgery and breast enlargements to win their local qualifying rounds. I much rather have a skinny lady than a botox plastic lady as a role model. As another wrote, she'll gain a few pounds in a few years but you can't ever lose the plastic.
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maybe you could recycle her in later years for the money by the pound
or as Redd Foxx said ---- marry an ugly woman so when she is gone your happy----
there is thin and then toooooo thin
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I don't go out with anything that isn't biodegradable.
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still going out Paul whats the wife say about that
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;D ;D " going out" I'm so out of touch with things I use to say that when I was 16 ;D. Old habits Ted !
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hahahaha good cover Paul
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Well Miss China didn't win. You can tell why by looking at the photos. Call it what you will but in comparison she had no shape.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Miss-Mexico-Jimena-Navarrete-crowned-Miss-Universe-2010-Stefania-Fernandez/photo//100824/482/urn_publicid_ap_org80db9773602c46ddb7500ead6a163134//s:/ap/20100824/ap_en_tv/us_miss_universe;_ylt=An7mBGFyam1ONYpZZNgW4Pu2GL8C;_ylu=X3oDMTE5cHNyY20yBHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bl9yX3RvcF9waG90bwRzbGsDamltZW5hbmF2YXJy#photoViewer=/100824/ids_photos_en/r1577203693.jpg (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Miss-Mexico-Jimena-Navarrete-crowned-Miss-Universe-2010-Stefania-Fernandez/photo//100824/482/urn_publicid_ap_org80db9773602c46ddb7500ead6a163134//s:/ap/20100824/ap_en_tv/us_miss_universe;_ylt=An7mBGFyam1ONYpZZNgW4Pu2GL8C;_ylu=X3oDMTE5cHNyY20yBHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bl9yX3RvcF9waG90bwRzbGsDamltZW5hbmF2YXJy#photoViewer=/100824/ids_photos_en/r1577203693.jpg)
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no comparison at all between the two but of course we all know its the talent that gets them the crown
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Ah the the Australian contestant came 3rd , along with winning some other title .
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Wow I'm impressed!! I think I'm starting to understand things here -Sara finds these pictures on Ted's computer-Right away Ted says "No honey I'm going to use these to start a thread on China Love" Now I know why Ted is an "Experienced" member!! This Rookie bows to the master
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I will still take the skinny Chinese lady over the fat American chick with the snout any day. They are all pigs.
" oh my I broke a nail hurry get me to the hospital I need some pain killers"
Bought my wife a pumice stone for her foot. An American woman would need a 2 caret diamond to make her that happy.
My only regret about marrying my Chinese wife is........ That I didn't do it 25 years sooner.