China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => The Campfire => Topic started by: Martin on January 10, 2012, 05:11:23 pm
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Are you interested in having reputation points on your profile, as has been the case in the past, or would you rather not have them? Please vote. Majority rules. I will only vote in the event of a tie. This vote is open to all members, and opinions are very welcome.
If the membership decides to reinstate the reputation system, send me a PM, and let me know how many points you had, and I will try to fix each persons reputation to what it was.
Martin
(Devil Incarnate)
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Hahahaha ;D ;D ;D
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The world is not always fair. Sometimes someone has to stand up and be a meanie and say: This is the way it's going to be.
I personally think the reputation points were stupid. Not everyone will agree with that. A slightly better indication of reputation is a person's post count, but that can also be misleading. I remember an ex member that would basically post: "yes, I agree", or something equally pointless on every thread. Maybe we should add something along the lines of: member since xx/xx/xx, or "I have spent X hours on this site".
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Neil I'm talking to the other mods right now.I have suggested something along these lines.I was thinking more along the lines.Of based off experience.For Example.
David E Chong,Arnold Rhonald,Willy,Scott. These are guys that are married and living with there wives. So lets say something like They are Veteran members.
You,Reverend Mike,Shaun. You guys have made the trips married the lady. So we would call you guys something like members in good standing.Then the mods could go in after you have brought your wife to Canada.And move you up to veteran member.We could also probably put your membership date in and maybe even go with military rank system as a guide line.
For example you would be like a lieutenant .And Chong would be a Captan.I do believe that newbie members do need a guideline to go by.I don't be leave another member should be able to give you a negative rep point.Just because they didn't like what you posted.
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Lieutenant? Captan? When joining the forum did we the Army too? :o There are some on here that would not have a rank even with their own experience. Experience in a subject is so wide spread how do you promote just a few and leave the rest to the unknown soldier tombs?
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Vince as always we are open to suggestions.So why not lend a hand instead of just trying to amuse yourself
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Neil I'm talking to the other mods right now.I have suggested something along these lines.I was thinking more along the lines.Of based off experience.For Example.
David E Chong,Arnold Rhonald,Willy,Scott. These are guys that are married and living with there wives. So lets say something like They are Veteran members.
You,Reverend Mike,Shaun. You guys have made the trips married the lady. So we would call you guys something like members in good standing.Then the mods could go in after you have brought your wife to Canada.And move you up to veteran member.We could also probably put your membership date in and maybe even go with military rank system as a guide line.
For example you would be like a lieutenant .And Chong would be a Captan.I do believe that newbie members do need a guideline to go by.I don't be leave another member should be able to give you a negative rep point.Just because they didn't like what you posted.
Maxx I understand where your coming from and I have no other suggestions. but by doing it this way you are making it elitist
what about those who have been to china on more than ome occasion, have we not also got something valuable to contribute?
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I'm not amusing myself just showing an obvious observation. Just because some are married doesn't make them experts on all subjects (sorry guys) as the lead people on the forum. This sounds like write to them only for answers? Sorry I always thought this was OUR forum? enough said
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Vince, its because of you bringing in a different opinion that gives some of us a new way to view it...so I appreciate it. And yes, it is all of our forum...it always will be.
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Rob isn't that what you all want?We dont have to use military ranking we don't have to use titels.We are just looking for a way to reward are members who make the trips.whoTake the time.To post there insites and ideas.We need to have a way to let the newbiies know.That the posts they are reading.That the member who wrote the posts doe's know what he is talking about
We could go back to the old point system.And have it mod controled.The other forum I belong to uses labels.I'm a newbie.Ive made 14 posts on a boating forum.Ive ben there for over a year and a half.But since I make so few posts.I'm considerd a newbie.And yes it is mod controlled.I'm not a mod on that forum.
So lets here some ideas.
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Vince I agree it doe's not make the married guys expert on all topics.A good example is Robert Snellgrove.That man has forgot more about the immagration process.Then I ever knew.So if it's got to do with immagration to the states your best bet is to talk to Robert.
Now how do we tell the newbie members that.I'm all in to change the system.Or go back to the old way.But have it mod controlled and not member controlled..What do you guys and galls want to do.
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If we go back to the old way where members can deduct points, then can I sugeest that ANYONE who rewards or deducts points, that must be followed up by a post to say exactly why they done it.
Not just a 'I don't agree with what he wrote', but a full and valid reason for it, with mod for that particular section, i.e campfire then deciding 'Yes or No' thats not happening...
and on a lighter note, I think I deserve a rep point for this suggestion... ;D ;D ;D
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If we go back to the old way where members can deduct points, then can I sugeest that ANYONE who rewards or deducts points, that must be followed up by a post to say exactly why they done it.
Not just a 'I don't agree with what he wrote', but a full and valid reason for it, with mod for that particular section, i.e campfire then deciding 'Yes or No' thats not happening...
and on a lighter note, I think I deserve a rep point for this suggestion... ;D ;D ;D
Rob, the problem with this is, we have no way to know who gives a negative rep. So although we can say this is a rule, there is no way to enforce it. - rep for trying to sneak in a + rep. lol
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If we can get Ronan to get it back the way it was in beginning we could
and forget I mentioned a +rep, don't want to lose anymore LOL ;D ;D ;D
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Can't be done by how many posts. The most posts doesn't make an expert (and that's me). Any ranking doesn't do it either. Maybe? a title with the right wording "established member"? The forum was never made or setup for titled departments. Married questions, single quests, visa quests and with one replier.
Keeping it real... All the most present members have their experiences. If a question is asked lets say about a k1/k3 I just don't answer it or just direct them to an answer.
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How about replacing the word " Reputation " with the word " Thanks " , then set it to allow only positive feedback. If the post is helpful to a particular member then they can add a +1 or " Thanks" to the person that helped/assisted them. This method will allow only positive feedback if you wish to remain hidden and will require you to post openly if you have any negative feedback you wish to express. As far as ranking goes, I think that should involve a specific time period and number of posts before graduating from newbie to full member. After they reach full member status they can be allowed to have a signature then, that would cut down on a lot of the spammers that join, complete a signature line with a hyperlink and we never see them again. Robert
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SMF (Simple Machines Forum) can, if you make a request and they like that request, change the way the reputation is done and I am not to sure but I think you can find out who made the comments. I'll try to look on SMF later.
Second we can do ranking but lose the military terms. Newbie Jr Member Member Sr Member. We could also put in our status Single, Engaged, or Married. Also Immigration completed.
Martin check out Visa Journey and see how they do their membership levels. Also a timeline scale would let one know where they are in the process. The example I will give below will be crude but you will get the idea.
X X
Single-----Engaged----Married K1/K3-----Inverview-----Failed-----Immigrated
By the way if I remember correctly my reputation was a +4000. Oh wait... that was another site. :P
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I go along with Roberts suggestion.
Guests will not be able to anything other than look and read. Maybe the guest privilege could be limited to one day and after that they have to join as I know a few translators come on here as guests regularly.
I think that a person just joining openly should be able to post as they may need our help or advice urgently.
If for example a new members comes on and needs some urgent advice, another new member is first to see it, then they could mischeviously, provide an answer that could cause problems for the first.
In which case the new person needs some indication that the reply he has received is based on fact or knowledge so I think that a 'thanks' or a plain "like reply" button would help show the status of the person replying.
To prevent a 'i've got more points than you' situation arising then maybe we sould do as Maxx suggest then have a system of levels. We have super mod and mods, we could have a two more one for newbies and one for the knowledgeable and old timers with the mods in own their conference section of the forum deciding on who gets which and when.
Willy
PS. To prevent a new member seeking out an 'old timer' then there should be a restiction on them sending PM's until they have made at least ten posts. That way the forum will stay as useful for all as it is.
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Like you mentioned earlier tonight, you could reinstate members rep points with Thanks so nobody loses anything! That will also give the new members an idea of the responder's experience and advice level. Robert
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Like you mentioned earlier tonight, you could reinstate members rep points with Thanks so nobody loses anything! That will also give the new members an idea of the responder's experience and advice level. Robert
Good Idea .... We could call them "Thank you points" .... and only allow for them to go up in value, and never down!
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This is not a bad idea.
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The way the vote is looking at the moment, I think it will not matter!! ;D ;D
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Post count and joined date. You could add extra space there for members to write a number for number of visits to China. And a checkbox if dating or if married, also a checkbox if the person is currently living at China. These would of course have to be member self controllable. Or else the mods/admins workload would be too much I think. And we would have to trust the combination of all of these options. To know if the info is good or not?
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I go along with Roberts suggestion.
Guests will not be able to anything other than look and read. Maybe the guest privilege could be limited to one day and after that they have to join as I know a few translators come on here as guests regularly.
I think that a person just joining openly should be able to post as they may need our help or advice urgently.
If for example a new members comes on and needs some urgent advice, another new member is first to see it, then they could mischeviously, provide an answer that could cause problems for the first.
In which case the new person needs some indication that the reply he has received is based on fact or knowledge so I think that a 'thanks' or a plain "like reply" button would help show the status of the person replying.
To prevent a 'i've got more points than you' situation arising then maybe we sould do as Maxx suggest then have a system of levels. We have super mod and mods, we could have a two more one for newbies and one for the knowledgeable and old timers with the mods in own their conference section of the forum deciding on who gets which and when.
Willy
PS. To prevent a new member seeking out an 'old timer' then there should be a restiction on them sending PM's until they have made at least ten posts. That way the forum will stay as useful for all as it is.
Willy,
I agree with the 10 post minimum before pm's. I have had several people send me 1 or 2 pms and then they disappear from the forums. Restricting pm's will also work in the favor of the newbie to an extent by making them take time to actually read some topics where the question may have been addressed previously! Robert
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The reason I don't favor the married /engaged, etc thing is 3 letters MLM. We don't know for sure who is really married and who just say they are. Get my drift.
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I can only reinforce my own view on the reputation issue....
I see Rep points (I have no problem with calling them that) as Peer Group endorsement (or censure) of anything that gets posted. Tht is healthy and constructive if done with responsibility and care. To leave any sort of judgement solely to the Mods is unfair (IMHO) because they should have confidence that we (the Bros) can Manage it ourselves and let them get on with more important stuff.
I would like to see somehow that a negative entry gets some sort of explanation, in case it is a genuine slip up. I dont know if this is possible or not.
What we had before was simple, easy and quick. if we now get over- complex with Military rankings, restrictions on posting numbers or some such arbitrary reputation statistic we will get into endless arguements.
I dont think I ever saw any comments in the line of "he has got more points than me, or less points and so on." its only an interest thing, not Earth shattering !!!
It sems that this whole current saga came about because Robert was concerned enough about a negative point to try to find out who and why. We know Robert is meticulous, timely and accurate with his info...ALWAYS and he seems to be the sort of person who always tries to help to the best of his ability. Anybody on this Forum for more than 10 minutes must surely know this. Likely the negative rep came from a guest or a complete newbie ???
So I think that the only change I would introduce is to prohibit Guests from posting until they had completed the membership registration and thus became "accountable" for what they say or do. The we can go back to the old format...which worked ;D ;D ;D
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Well I for one never new that Guests could post. This is about the only forum I know of that does if this is the case.
Many forums do have restrictions on contacting other members direct until they have posted a number of threads themself. As Roberts said he has experienced this with newbies that have circumvented the forum by going to him direct with questions.
Willy
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But to clean up our act along with the points issue surely when registering one should have to fill out the whole form not just name and leave the rest blank then one can easily check that they are at least from the country they say they are from and not an earwig , regards Robert .
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But to clean up our act along with the points issue surely when registering one should have to fill out the whole form not just name and leave the rest blank then one can easily check that they are at least from the country they say they are from and not an earwig , regards Robert .
Yes...good idea Rob...got my support
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Please get rid of this Reputation Points. Already, there are too much arguing and disagreements going on here on this site to agitate each other. Enough already.
Thanks.
Wilfred
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Please get rid of this Reputation Points. Enough already.
Thanks.
Wilfred
I as a Mod or NO Mod (doesn't change my Mind on this) have to agree with Wilfred. What is better anyway? Someone thanking you through the PM system or on the Open Forum for your good Info or a +point you have NO idea who send it? Minus point are not needed either, for infractions we PM with warning's to each and everyone.
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Unbelievable... We have 700+ members and yet less than 0.1% of them take the time to vote... :o :o
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Robbie - do not kid yourself. We have no more than 40 or so members if that. The rest are just window shoppers. They are like ships that pass in the night never to be seen again.
Willy
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Robbie - do not kid yourself. We have no more than 40 or so members if that. The rest are just window shoppers. They are like ships that pass in the night never to be seen again.
Willy
ps. how do i see the results. I click on view results and get nothing.
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Here is a screenshot Willy. :)
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Wow yours looks different then mine? keep your eye up here lol
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Please get rid of this Reputation Points. Already, there are too much arguing and disagreements going on here on this site to agitate each other. Enough already.
Thanks.
Wilfred
I would have to hotly disagree with this statement...its just not true. Compared to other Forums (not related to Chinese Women !) that I belong to, we have almost zero anger and disagreement here. On very rare occasions we have a potential conflict issue, but to say that we have a lot is not right. Anyway, what is wrong with a bit of HEALTHY disagreement now and again. I certainly wont hesitate to disagree with anyone if I think they are wrong...but I hope to always be rational about it.
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Compared to other Forums (not related to Chinese Women !) that I belong to, we have almost zero anger and disagreement here.
I agree totally with you David. Especially on Youtube when you try to be logical expressing a view point, the reply is usually more insulting than logical. I have made comments about Bruce Lee and it amazes me the things that people believe he was capable of doing. The attacks are so fanatical that it approaches religion. At least with Religion, people do say that Faith is needed when direct evidence is not available.
I certainly wont hesitate to disagree with anyone if I think they are wrong...but I hope to always be rational about it.
At least with you David, you have never needed to ration all rational opinions as you seem to think before you speak.
I know that with Willy the rep point scheme(when you could tell who clicked) had us flinging Singapore Slings and arrows. I also remember how it affected me when I took a hit. It made me pause and rethink because I remember how easy it was to click in the heat of the moment, while a worded rebutal would have made me pause and reconsider.
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Wow yours looks different then mine? keep your eye up here lol
Vince,
You use the Glassy Curve theme and I use the Forum Default that is why mine has the graph with the screen shot.
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I see that Robert I just didn't know a graph would be in one and not the other? But I'll stick with the one I have for good reason. When we first came to this forum I picked one of the themes and was stuck? I had blank pages and no way to change it back to one working. Had to get Irish to get on and change it, so this one works I'll stay with it.
The word Reputation replaced another name? (here or was it the old forum?) and what was the name it was called before?
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were the hell as my -reputation point gone dam you bloody lot >:( >:( i was looking forward to extending my points total
this forum is going to the dogs
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The results of the poll are in, and the results are 6 voted to keep the reputation points, and 17 voted to abolish the system. While I know that this is not representative of the actual number of members, this is the way the majority of those that voted did vote.
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I see that Robert I just didn't know a graph would be in one and not the other? But I'll stick with the one I have for good reason. When we first came to this forum I picked one of the themes and was stuck? I had blank pages and no way to change it back to one working. Had to get Irish to get on and change it, so this one works I'll stay with it.
The word Reputation replaced another name? (here or was it the old forum?) and what was the name it was called before?
Karma