China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => The Campfire => Topic started by: Scottish_Rob on July 11, 2009, 08:14:55 am
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Sorry guy's this is quite a long read!!!
Dear Robert...November 30th 08
Life is very wonderful, isn't it? You and I have such a long distance between us, but here, now, you found me on this magical website, thank you for your sweet cupid. I am so happy to get to know you today and I promise you will never regret reading my profile,
Hello dear Rob...December 24th 08
I hope you don't mind I call you in this way, It's so nice that I got your letter, thank you for all of your kind words on me, I am looking for a serious relationship that leads to a marriage, I heard many things about how honest and gentle western man is ,so I came here to find me a good western man, I want to make my dream come true, so will you try to be this special man for me? I know we are far far away, but I think if we have love and we can share everything together with honest, we will build a nice and strong relationship, and the distance won't be a big problem, even the languange won't be a huge deal, love will tell us how to read each other's mind. What do you think?
My love rob...February 14th 09
Happy valentine's day! I love to be there to be with you on this special day, my love, I am shouting ¡° I love you ¡° Loudly to you now, can you hear me in UK ?
My dearest Rob,...March 12th 09
You are so naughty, baby. Next time I'll spank you heavily to see whether you've been asleep or not?, Only a joke, honey, I even can't love you more.
Without the true you, baby, your letters are the best medicine for me, so try to write everything about you to me, so that I can know you completely, from which I may get some comfort and the love from the bottom of your heart.
My sweetest Rob...April 18th 09
Now I know why I had such a sweet dreams last night, it' s you who give me such a sweet dream. Darling, I find I love you more and more, too much to express only by word. Lao gong, wo hen hao, xie xie ni. Lao gong, just know I hear a voice saying I love you lao po. It that your voice???? It must be, just now a smile came to my face without any reason. Lao gong, how happy am I, I can feel your love even in such a long distance. Lao gong, it must be that God heard our prey, God had made us one some time. Hehe
Qin ai de lao gong Rob...May 22nd 09
I miss you, it is raining outside. These days, it always rains. It isn't cold but I still want to cuddle with you in the coach to get warmth. I love you so much that I hope to be with you every minute and every second. Laogong , wo ai ni. Can you hear my voice? Can you feel my heart? I need you.
Only you can make me the happiest woman in the world, only you are the man whom I want to make the happiest.
My darling Laogong Rob...June 18th 09
It has so difficult to face the days without receiving letters from you, you taken my heart and my soul with you, Rob, I love you and this emotions is very strong in my heart that casued me cry for not being with you right now , My missing has crossed the oceans and rivers, I hope you felt them and I hope they keep you beloved and happy !
My darling darling Laogong...July 11th 09
Laogong, it seemed we could always reach an agreement always, sweetheat, I have heard that " Truth and love are two of the most powerful things in the world, and when they both go together they can not easily be withstood ", I believe we have the same desire in our heart, that is to make our love grows with each other's coming and go, the words are the best way for us to get to know each other and make love grows before we meet in person finally, sweetheart , I may be not a perfect woman, but I will always be a godo wife to you !
Hi Guy's thanks for reading all of the above replies that I have received (just a small selection) I wanted to put these on here to 'show' my journey from start til present. When I first started on Chnlove, I did it mainly to build my confidence up and just talk to a lady from another continent...I know how easy it is for some people to fall in love so easy hehe I am one of them, but I was determined I am not going to be hurt by another woman, as I had been married for 26 years and she left me for my best mates brother in law...So I was not going to get hurt again.
On getting to know Kathy/Keren I decided 'What the hell' I will take a chance to get to know more about her and her culture. Well after 6 months I think that I had got to know her better, and decided to take a leap of faith, I asked her to marry me, here was her answer "I love to register with you on the second day you arrive, and honey , do you want a big wedding reception or a small one ? I think there are at least 20 people to invite in our wedding reception ". She know my financial position, and is NOT one of the scammer's I believe that only wants money or wants out of the country, I have told her that I am going to live there and teach... So I have fallen madly in love with this lady, and from her opening reply 'I have not' regretted getting to know her, she has kept her promise....
So that's it guy's I AM going to get my feet wet again the 'big day' will be on 18th November 09, almost one year since we first got in contact with each other, so if any member is in Qingdao on that 'special' day then you are more than welcome to 'come' along to the reception.....
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Dear Haggis Boy ... July 11th 09
Congratulations. Take care of Keren ... or else the brotherhood will take you into an alley and kick your Scottish ass like a Celtic football. :icon_cheesygrin: Thanks for her pics. We prefer to see her than your mug shot.
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Gee, you found someone too good for you. (Just like the rest of us). Congratulations.
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You would have to have a heart of stone not to fall hopelessly in love with such a woman. Such a beauty and such kind and loving words. You take the best of care of her! Congratulations!
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Rob Congratulations mate she sounds and look lovely all the best to both of you cheers.
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Telling you straight and no joking, You deserve it. You deserve the happiness it will be. :icon_cool:
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Rob, you the man. Wish you and your lady all the happiness, you both deserve it. If there is any possibility of making it there to see both I'll be there. Great to hear guys are finding thier soulmates. If I can't make the reception I promise eventually I'll take time off to visit you either by myself or with my current girlfriend. All the best brother.:icon_confused:
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Rob... I found out that a small Chinese wedding is 80 people :icon_cheesygrin: Congratulations !!!!
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if that's small Peter, then mine was miniscule. 20 total.
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Congratulations Rob,
don't forget to update yourself in the 'Who's Your Mate?' thread. Us UK guys are moving up the board to join the Yanks and Canucks!
All my best wishes go with you and your lovely wife-to-be,
Alex
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Rob, man you are very lucky to have some one that beautiful fall for you, good luck and best wishes.
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Dear Haggis Boy ... July 11th 09
Congratulations. Take care of Keren ... or else the brotherhood will take you into an alley and kick your Scottish ass like a Celtic football. :icon_cheesygrin: Thanks for her pics. We prefer to see her than your mug shot.
HeHe Haggis Boy (lol) thanks mate I intend taking care of Keren don't you worry.:icon_biggrin:
Thanks very much guy's for all your comments, yes I am a Lucky B mate, Yes mike they do seem to have those qualities...
Shark thanks man, failing you being there, we could come to yours, we will sort out all this at a later date, buddy.
Vince thank you for your kind opinion...
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Hi Rob,
Congratulations on finding your soul mate. I wish you all the best for your marriage and move to China.
The posting of your letters have some similiar heart felt messages that my fiancee has sent to me. After reading your messages,this helps me to believe in the future even more.
All the best from
Alan and Qen.
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He, Rob, just to say "congrats" ! ^^
It seems your next trip will be very nice. Oh... If ever you would be very hungry... don't look for any forks and knives, but better eat "your love" with chopsticks, as it seems it is useful over there :D
(kidding)
I wish you all the best, and wish to hear news from you soon ;)
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Bob , as I see from your lovely Lady's reply's , you play a lot less Golf now . Who has time for that or even concentrate thinking about a most wonderful Woman you ever met .
Darn , I can't wait for you to finally meet Keren and the sparks fly .
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She is a great looking lady Rob. Looking forward to the day you join us in living in China.
Willy
PS how do I up load photos?
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Add reply, then at the bottom of the page hit browse, that takes you to where you will find your picture mate...........
And yes really looking forward to getting there, and NOT just for that reason that we all know I am thinking about....lol
Sly have started to TRY and get used to chopsticks now mate....lol
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Haha, Scotti', well.. why did you say that?? Now, everybody here will know about it.... :D
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I don't know if you will know this but many years ago there used to be a song called 'Chopsticks' and it was very good :icon_biggrin:
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In france, we don't have "chopsticks' but "Pastis"... :D
Ok it's alcohol.. but when man is drunk enough.. maybe can he better say "Pastis" than "chopsticks"?
.. Ok, if you look for me, I'm outside...
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I thought the French invented pasties. maybe different ones lol
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pasties? what do you mean by "pasties"? because even the translator doesn't know how to translate it... :D
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Pastie mate, is another word for Pastry (PIE)
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They are filled wit things like, Meat, Mince and Onion, Meat and potato, Cheese and Onion
All this talk about food is making me hungry....heheh
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Cornish pasty Mmmmm lol
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You gus are just some "stomacho legs" :D
Stop flirting with food, just flirt with....
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:D:D:D
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Not really, mpo, don't forget I'm prude enough :D
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i think i can see, now...
*tries to zoom in*
Well... I see :fi_lone_ranger:
thanks ^^
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oh my lol.
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I was in here when I got an email from the agency boss, it was about my invitation letter from Keren...Woo hoo:icon_biggrin: I am so excited...Will get the invitation letter tonight he said....:icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin:
I don't think you really need one of these, but I thought better to be safe than sorry:blush:
This is something she wrote to me, and wondered what you guy's though about the last sentence in it 'good qualifications to be a goodhusband?.......
"sweetheart , you are right, we are each other's prefect people in each others eyes, I see your handsome, your gentle, your thoughtful, your wisdom and you good qualifications to be a good husband !"
Thought I would show you an excerpt from my latest letter, (which is getting me REALLY excited0...I wonder why????
"...My darling Laogong, I will make our room full of romance feeling once you will be here, sweetheart, I would love to have the silk sheets with the color of pink, will you be seduce by the woman laying on the pink sheets ? hehe, sweetheart, I will make lots of sexy poses for you, just for you baby ! : ) Wait for me to have a cold shower with you together ! : ).."
Any suggestions hehehe
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Viagra
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wow :blush:
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Heres me thinking it was rain clouds comeing from up north no its rob in a shower lol ;)
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Why are you still in England?
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Can't afford another £300 flight mate at the moment:blush::huh:
Well went and saw about my certificate of no impediment today, God the information they need:@
Two other things happened to me today, I received the invitation letter, and Keren told me through yahoo, that she loved me...Ooo Ooo I wanna get there asap:icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin:
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Congrats Rob on the invitation letter and the love too! In my second webcam meeting she ended with a "Wo ai ni Neil" and I responded with "I love you too Xin" that was an amazing moment for me.
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Neil I am so pleased about your Xin saying that, it is amazing to hear..good luck mate:icon_biggrin:
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Neil I am so pleased about your Xin saying that, it is amazing to hear..good luck mate:icon_biggrin:
Rob .... Wo ai ni my Rob .
You ask to hear it ... there it is .:icon_cheesygrin:
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My guess Rob is that you two will do it for the first time on the airport :icon_cheesygrin:
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Thanks arnold but, does your lady know you are using another guy to show affection too :angel:...LOL
Peter, I hope so, although I really don't want any onlookers;-)):icon_cheesygrin:
Mike you are going before me, so 'remember' to pass the intel on to me!!!! I want to be prepared:angel::angel:,
So I need to take with me.... *write list down in notebook*....LOL
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I spoke to Keren the other day and I mentioned about some of the guy's getting or have got their weddings done through Chnlove and having it filmed... Her reply was, shall we try to do this? Will I write to the company and ask to see how this can be done?.
I think my lady is going to be a handful, she seems really frugal, a bit too much, even for a Scotsman hehehe:angel:
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Rob
You had better believe it - these ladies are so careful with their money. Go to a large supermarket and around the fruit & veg stall they will pick over every cherry, every tomato in fact every item they are going to purchase to ensure that it is the best. I can afford taxi's their cheap, 10 CNY for first 3000 metres, but with my girl, it is buses that come first.
But although they keep a watch on every penny their generosity towards a guest is unbelieveable.
Willy
PS. Decided to put my photo on the top of page now. I can assure you, that in keeping with all photo's on Chnlove, it has been taken by a professional photographer and has been highly doctored to present my self as a highly desirable creature from the other side of the World. They say photos never lie. But we know different!!!
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But although they keep a watch on every penny their generosity towards a guest is unbelieveable.
Willy , that is a sentence I like to see Framed . That is truly one of the first thing's I have noticed coming to China . They really treat their Guest's like King's . Makes me wonder , am I up to it to do the same for them ? I'm not sure ?
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Just would like to add. Anyone who has not experienced China Tea at a weekend then you have a treat awaiting you.
I thought I was just going for a cup of tea!!!! How wrong I was.
I suggest that you do not eat breakfast the day you go for your first because you can get there at 11am and still be there at 2pm. During which time dish after dish will appear.
And on that first visit do not even ask what you are about to eat - just eat it or your host may feel that they have lost face if you turn it down.
You will enjoy it.
Willy
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I thought that I would loose some weight when I was in China my first time but I was wrong.... This time I am already gained 2 kg on 14 days... Even if you use Chopsticks you will eat for hours...
Don't miss the Tea Ceremony if you can. My brother in law like to give me different kind of tea. I have already bought 3,5 kg tea to take home. Most of it is Puh Er witch is my favorite...
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Willy,
Yes .....quite agree with you on the weekend Tea thing. Tell you the truth, I'd forgot all about that until you mentioned it here.... then the memories came flooding back!!...haha!!
Your also right about photo's in China. The guy, that came out with the saying ''a picture is worth a thousand words,'' ...had no idea, of what can be done in a modern Chinese photographic studio. The buggers can even take a couple or more stone of our size and weight too....hahaha!!
David......
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Hi guy's a little update...
"...Qin ai de wo fei chang ai ni, Baby your letter made my heart stop and then it started to beat faster and faster and never stop sense. Your love and passion in your letter make my soul smile. I have known that I love you but now I also know god has sent me an Angle, :angel: Rob, no one has treat me as the way you treated me, Rob, love is a " PURE" in the world, right ? So I always think when people in love, they should show their love to each other, and they should trust what they see, right ? only in this way, love could be grown, the relationship would always be nice
Sweetheart, What further words can describe what we have together? For our love to grow as it has this past six months, baby, I took with every beat of my heart. Words can no longer describe it, but rather in feeling and emotion of what we have for each other. You have always had the key to my heart, and you inside my heart has made me more than I can ever be. Though the sea separates us till that special day, I know we take each breath with every beat, and always together ... as one.:icon_biggrin:
I has asked many friends to help you find the job in the end of this year also , hope we will have some luck !..."
I think this shows that we talk about all things, good, bad, indifferent, to get to know the person I believe that it's not just important questions that need to be asked in the communication.:blush: The opening sentence 'Qin ai de, wo fei chang ai ni' tells me a lot about her and the feelings she has aqquired over the months we have been in contact, she also goes on to say that 'she has asked friends to help me find work' because we spoke about the teaching posts in that they start in September and I cant get over til November, so the way I see it, we are both committed to each other. The initial meeting should be very interesting:icon_biggrin:
There is one thing I want to say to you guy's I hope I am not boring you with this thread and some of her letters...I hope that through these letters that I post will 'help' some of the newer guy's, so thank for reading and all your input and wish's, they are very much appreciated.
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China Rob yes your boring me...I'm Kidding. I would like to see your faces when you meet. What does the agency do with the first meet video anyway? Would be nice to have them so we have something to laugh about. :icon_biggrin:
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Yes the first meet and grope...ahem I mean meet and greet - must be a freudian slip there.
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Rob this sounds great, and you don't bore me, now just for the cameras, keep your pants/Kilt on....PLEASE
:s :icon_cheesygrin: J/K, hope you have fun, but really keep the pants on.
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Vince I will find out and get a copy to post, just for you mate:icon_cheesygrin:
this :icon_arrow::blush::icon_arrowl: is probably the way I WILL look
Rhonald he he that would be funny if it wasn't true mate hehe:blush::angel:
Michael, true Scotsmen don't wear anything under the kilt buddy hehe, by looking at their shoes you can tell if they have dandruff hehe:angel:
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Rob
The day you walk down the streets of China in that kilt will be the day they send us all back to UK!:icon_cheesygrin::
Give us a bit of warning before you do that. They will think you have brought a severe case of Swine Flu plus mad cows disease to China.
Willy
Rob what are you doing to the Chinese!!! Not even here yet but your influence proceeds you.
I have just returned from visiting someone and what have they given me as I left - a packet of Scotts Porridge Oats. I thought I had left all that heathen food back in the UK.
The instructions for preparation are all in Chinese so I would appreciate the instructions in English - no Glaswegian please.
Willy
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Rob , if you only knew ?
After I read your Thread ... I sleep like a Baby ! :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Hahaha , please never stop , I mean that . Also to other's that have similar letter's and like to post , love them all . As much as Mine , of course not , I would be lying then .
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Hi guy's here is what I received from Keren on Chinese Valentines day...
My only beloved Rob
Will you be my Valentine?
I know that I am yours.
You are like a tossing sea
And I am like your shores.
You are like an endless wave
And I your waiting sand.
And I will wait forever as
You come and smooth my hand.
I will wait forever, yet
You are a part of me.
I will hug you tightly , while you
Come to me endlessly.
Will you be my Valentine?
I know that I am yours.
I love you with a love that yearns
To be your golden shores.
Baby, it's the poem I just read, I want to tell you I love you on this special day, I will not go anywhere tonight, but look out of the window and think of you under the same sky !
I love you
Kissesssssssssssssssssssssssss
Yours Laopo
Kathy
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Rob,
Reading into that line ''Come To Me Endlessly'' I think you need to pack some Viagra mate, or you ain't gonna be fit for any teaching work!! You'll probably end up like all the rest of the Chinese, needing to sleep at every opportunity!! haha!!
David...
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Rob
I have just returned from visiting someone and what have they given me as I left - a packet of Scotts Porridge Oats. I thought I had left all that heathen food back in the UK.
The instructions for preparation are all in Chinese so I would appreciate the instructions in English - no Glaswegian please.
Willy
Willy
Here are the instructions for cooking Scots Porrige oats:
Take a large saucepan, and add 4 litres of cold water. Add 500 grms of Scots porrige Oats PLUS one large, round stone from the garden.
Bring slowly to the boil, and allow to simmer for about 3 hours.
After simmering for this time, remove the large stone. Then tip the remaining mess down the sink...and eat the stone :):):)
DavidE
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ROFLMAO....:blush::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::angel:
PPpppsssstttt, anyone know where to get Viagra?:blush::angel:
David that was 'REALLY' funny mate...lol
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ROFLMAO....:blush::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::angel:
PPpppsssstttt, anyone know where to get Viagra?:blush::angel:
David that was 'REALLY' funny mate...lol
Rob
You can get Viagra over the counter at any Chemist in China...enjoy :):):):)
DavidE
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Rob,
Reading into that line ''Come To Me Endlessly'' I think you need to pack some Viagra mate, or you ain't gonna be fit for any teaching work!! You'll probably end up like all the rest of the Chinese, needing to sleep at every opportunity!! haha!!
David...
David if that line is anything to go by, then I really do know why they sleep anywhere...lol
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Rob
You can get Viagra over the counter at any Chemist in China...enjoy :):):):)
DavidE
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Dont get it mixed up with the Bob Martins. They prefer face to face!!!!
Willy
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I was reading some post the other day and started wondering about this, 'the ladies meeting men', and if they take them home to see their parents, so when I sent Keren a letter I asked this question, "have you taken anyone, apart from your ex, to see your parents?"
and here is her reply...
Baby, you are the second man whom I will take to meet my parents , I took my ex husband to home before we got married, but I didnt find anyone deserve to meet my families again after divorced, I swore I never want to have the same bad marriage again, i become more cautious for pick up my future husband after that, I don't care about what does he will look like, I don't care whether he has money or not, I just hope he can think of me, love me, love our family in the rest time in life , Rob, I see that in you, I was totally attracted by your thoughtful and loving personality, I have informed my parents and my sister's family to welcome you with their open arms ! : )
I suppose I should not have asked, but it was just a question out of curiousity...
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Rob, why not ask? You wanted to know.
I don't see couples being in a happy relationship if one or both are walking on tiptoes not to upset the other. If you never asked it would be a question you always wondered about that may pop up in an argument.
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See Rob , like me ... you have done your homework before meeting face to face . This is how it's done . What do you think now are the chances for not to be successful ? My guess , pretty slim in my Book . You are going to be part of the 40 % club , if you like it or not .:heart:
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Rob I remember the first question that ShuFen asked me in her first letter to me and it was, "If I see a puppy on the street will you reach downa pet it with me?" And my reply was that I will not only reach down a pet it with you, but if it is homeless, I will ask you if we should take it home and feed it and give it love together, and that answer started everything between us, I have never updated the one thread about being single but as of now I am pre-engaged also, just have to get the face to face we do talk on the phone, and have had webcam, and in fact she is going to set another one up from what she told me in her last letter. I dont have her folks to get past, but she has brothers and sisters and I know that I will have to pass their inspection and receive their favor to become part of their family, but I believe that I will be able to pass this test also. Hope for the best for you and yours
Norb
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Rob I remember the first question that ShuFen asked me in her first letter to me and it was, "If I see a puppy on the street will you reach downa pet it with me?" And my reply was that I will not only reach down a pet it with you, but if it is homeless, I will ask you if we should take it home and feed it and give it love together, and that answer started everything between us, I have never updated the one thread about being single but as of now I am pre-engaged also, just have to get the face to face we do talk on the phone, and have had webcam, and in fact she is going to set another one up from what she told me in her last letter. I dont have her folks to get past, but she has brothers and sisters and I know that I will have to pass their inspection and receive their favor to become part of their family, but I believe that I will be able to pass this test also. Hope for the best for you and yours
Norb
Norb ol boy, I thought you had left the brotherhood, you said " you remember the first question that your lady aked you but.... it seemed that you had forgot how to get here, hhhmmmmm........., they do sell a memmory boost tablet ya know, Now what was I going to do before I seen this? :icon_redface: :icon_cheesygrin:
J/K, Norb good to see you here.
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Thanks MM, been having a bit of a problem with computers and servers but hope to have them all good and going come tomorrow and I have to pay a hell of a price to COX for all this crap.....lol
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Here is another piece of the Rob and Keren jigsaw...
He He, my sweetheart, did I spankled you too hard last night when you were sleeping ? I went there beside your bed lightly, I didn't spank you but kiss you and lay beside you, my sweet baby, I feel so warm in your arms, and don't want to leave the next morning, but I was not allowed to let you feel me and see me, with the sadness, I backed home this morning, I can still feel your scent here !
Sweetheart , do you know when I firstly on this website, I even doubt if there would be true love on the dating website , you know honey, most young adults would chat on line and make friends in this way, some of them would get married and harvest real love, I didn't think this would happen on me, honey, when I first receive your letter, I have a very special feeling and my heart told me you are the one will grow old with me, the sense was so strong , so overwhelming,Your letter was long and honest, sincere, I suddenly felt, love can be find in anywhere as long as you have a sincere real heart ! Rob , you are the pearl I found with the sincere real heart ! : )
Baby, I just can't wait to hold you in my arms, I feel already married to you and very happy about it. The only thing we need to do is make it legal . A lot of people feel nervous about getting married. I don't feel a bit nervous. Why should I? this is what I want.... You in my life! You beside me for the rest of my life. I could not ask for more.
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Wow ... Rob !!!! I wonder now if Qing has a Sister named Keren now ? Here I thought she only had a brother . :-/
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Rob have to agree with Arnold on that letter, was thinking the same thing as I receive letters from ShuFen the same way, maybe between Kerem, Qing, and ShuFen they are all related.........lol
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Or maybe, it is because 'WE' have been really LUCKY and 'FOUND the 'Pearls from the orient', because of our way of 'romancing' the ladies properly?:blush:
Sorry guy's please don't take that last statement wrong!!!:huh:
I think I want to be 'SPANKLED'...does anyone know what it is? lol... And don't I just love the way she mix's up the sentences in her letters, I love reading them, they makes me chuckle...
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Or maybe, it is because 'WE' have been really LUCKY and 'FOUND the 'Pearls from the orient', because of our way of 'romancing' the ladies properly?:blush:
We must of done something right or is it our grey Hair ?
:fi_lone_ranger: I think ones we took our Mask off , we were irresistable to them . :fi_lone_ranger:
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So Rob, you will need to share what being SPANKLED is. Wants me to asks my girl if she will spankle me and how will she go about it.
I can see it now Robs first message from China, "M,m,m,m,mates? I am in sp, spankle heaven. :icon_cheesygrin:
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hmmm I dunno about that ....
are there lots of sharp needles involved ???
vacuum bowls??
or suction cups?
God Mike, I bloody well hope there isn't...lol
shaun I will let you know mate, after I have been 'spankled':blush:
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You'll definitely have to let us know what being spankled is like.
After my latest letter from my number 1 girl I think I'll need to know !
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Talking of seeing strange stuff, this is about hearing stuff...I don't know if Keren is Chinese, or maybe was Scottish in a another life...
Now guy's... 'stop laughing...' you have all got to remember I'm Scottish through and through right,... BUT... I'm not sure if 'she' realises the difference between Scottishs/Irish/Welsh/English...??????
"I have heard the " Bagpipes", there is a famouse melody called " Braveheart", have you ever heard that before ? the sound of the bagpipes is very beautiful honey, I love that a lot !"
Even I DON'T think the sounds are beautiful and I was brought up within earshot of them !!!!!
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Chinese bagpipers...:huh:
ROFLMAO...... Mike you kill me !!!
Rob I've heard those pipes before on more then one occasion and they always make my ears bleed.Haha
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Rob,
I bet she saw the movie Braveheart and heard the background music and thought that was a bagpipe. It seems to me that the music in the movie was mostly an Irish flute. That is what comes to mind.
But the real underlying issue here is a Scotsman who does not like the sound of the bagpipe? Next thing you will say is that you don't like golf.
Man if Keren loves the bagpipe you are in a heap of trouble.
Men, we ought to go through our complete CD libraries of unwanted music, gifts we never understood, and take out all of the bagpipe ones and send them to Keren so that she gains a complete understanding and love for bagpipe music. :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Rob, it is for your own good that we do this!!!!! :angel::angel::angel::angel::angel::angel:
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Shaiun
I don't play golf...The sticks are about the same height as me....hahahahaha
Anyone sends Keren Bagpipe music will have the Scottish Mafia set onto them...LOL:angel::angel:
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I don't know Rob? A few guys in skirts showing up with one playing the Godfather theme on the bagpipes doesn't seem to frightening... :icon_cool:
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What is the matter with all of you ? I love the Bagpipes , the outfit's they wear while playing them . Where is your " Tradition " Rob ?
I would be proud of my national treasure . How do you all feel about the traditional chinese instrument's , are they a nuisance too ?
I guess all that goes the way of Loud and Noisy with either talking or yelling instead of singing . Oh well it's a shame , maybe I'm old fashion , but for me it beat's most of today's grap .
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As far as i'm conserned, both the bagpipes and the Chinese instruments sound like a Cat's choir, or beat-up city moggies going hell for leather for each other.....''Bloody Wicked Noise''.
How anyone can ever tell, that any of these instruments are actually in tune, I'll never know??.....Hell, ....I don't want to know!!!! I hate saying this, ...i really, really do, but give me the modern crap over listening to bagpipes any day of the week!!!
David.....
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hahahaha...now who will argue with that ? Nothing wrong with History getting lost to modern Music .
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Vince, that is great. The Spanish Mafia playing the Godfather theme on bagpipes. What would there be to fear? Where would they hide their guns? Up their skirt... I mean kilt? Plus if they were traditional Scotsmen and they reached for the gun. What if they grabbed the wrong object? I don't know if I should say this but I've heard if you yank it twice it will shoot at you too. Of course I wouldn't really know about these kinds of things. I mean, it would be difficult for me to control my laughter. :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
But Rob, to maintain the brotherhood and keep thing friendly between us I will agree to not send any bagpipe music to Keren. He address is probably the agencies anyway. I could just send it to her translator instead. I would tell the translator, what ever you do please do not give this CD to Keren. Of course what ever the translator did she would be responsible for.
I went to a high school in Texas called Bel Air High School. Our mascot was the Highlander and we had an all girl Bagpipe and Drum Corps. I've attached a picture from when I was in High School of the band and the school logo.
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Where would they hide their guns?
Guess where?
To attach a photo under the window you write in is a button that says choose file. Click that choose the photo from your computer folder. then on the right is another button that says "Attachment" click that and it will put it in. Check after it loads that it is there (the file name will be there) then click on post and that's it.
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Vince,
That is either a very small gun or a very large woman.
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Thus the reason a Scottsman never heard the words... Is that your gun or your just glad to see me?
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ROFLMAO............It's not a bloody SKIRT:@...IT'S A BLOODY KILT:@:....lol:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Shaun,
Just been looking at that school band you posted, ... got a few ugly ducklings in there mate, did you date any of these bagpipe girls?? haha!!
David....
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David,
I went back to make to see which girl I dated. I did date a girl who played bagpipes. I remember she was real cute and could not find her in the picture. What caught my eye was that this photo was not from 1973 when I looked at the car in the background on the right I noticed that the hub cap belonged to a mid-1990's Chevrolet. I went back to the site and the photo is mis-labeled. I don't know if you noticed since the photo is not very good but most of the girls in the photo are Hispanic. I grew up on the border between the US and Mexico. El Paso, Texas.
Shaun
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Shaun,
No i wouldn't have noticed a hub cap mate, or that they were Hispanic. So,.... what are you saying here Shaun, they were far better looking in your 1973 era?? lol!! ...or just real Cute??
I always found, ...there never seemed to be an in-between with Hispanics, they were either the half-side of a double decker bus or like beanpoles, or bloody ugly or just gorgeous!!...haha!! I'll let you consider what type i preferred and sometime chased and won!! ...haha!!
David....
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ROFLMAO............It's not a bloody SKIRT:@...IT'S A BLOODY KILT:@:....lol:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Schoolgirls here like to wear these skirts...I mean kilts lmao!
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David,
Your assessment of Hispanic females is correct and yes the drop dead gorgeous ones were my preference. I dated several while growing up. I almost married one in college but her parents just didn't like me. Some 35 years later I can still remember the first words her mother spoke to me, "What rock did you crawl out from under?" Youch!!! Of course, looking at some of the pictures of me when I was that age, I can understand why she said that.
What exactly does this have to do with skirts... I mean kilts?
Shaun
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David,
Your assessment of Hispanic females is correct and yes the drop dead gorgeous ones were my preference. I dated several while growing up. I almost married one in college but her parents just didn't like me. Some 35 years later I can still remember the first words her mother spoke to me, "What rock did you crawl out from under?" Youch!!! Of course, looking at some of the pictures of me when I was that age, I can understand why she said that.
What exactly does this have to do with skirts... I mean kilts?
Shaun
Shaun, I went to school with many Hispanic girls (in Texas) that were breathtaking beauties. When they're really pretty they are exquisite and usually quite fussy. They're also very fiery, have incredibly short tempers, and are the personification of high maintenance.... Prone to do bodily harm with whatever is at hand if they suspect they've been trifled with!
They tend to go for the devoted hard working Hispanic males who worship the ground they walk on.....and get treated like crap.
I'm done with bad and the ugly....it's time for the good.
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Phil , I totally agree with you there . I was married to a half latina Wife for 30 year's and met many Hispanic's in that time . I seen it all , or at least more then I care to see . You have just found another reason of mine " Why Chinese " .
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I like the sound of Rob's lady....you know all those beautiful things she's saying. That's what I want!!!
I want a traditional Chinese woman like Rob's and Jim's or any of you guys!
You guys are love this from a new admirer...I went to her profile page and this caught my eye. Translator prose surely (I'm a natural Skeptic) but damn sweet none the less....
"If you were a teardrop in my eyes, For fear of losing you, I would never cry. And if the golden sun, Should cease to shine its light, Just one smile from you, Would make my whole world bright."
You gotta love that
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phil...I like the sound of my lady....lol
Seriously though, as good as 'it' seems that these are 'my Keren's' words, with everything that has gone on with 'deceptions from agencies, and especially with Mike's trip (he is in the same agency) I 'NOW' have to re-evaluate everything that has been written to me???
What 'she' has said or 'written' too me, I now have to question, was it 'her or was it the translator'???
I said before that I would take my gut instincts into account, and with a dash of 'hope' and a drop of 'skepticism' I will go on this forthcoming journey with my EYES WIDE OPEN...
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Hi Scottidh Rob,
Yeah, I do remember 'Chopsticks'. It was a piano instrumental. It was very good. Probably written by a Chinese, or Brit ex-pat.
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I said before that I would take my gut instincts into account, and with a dash of 'hope' and a drop of 'skepticism' I will go on this forthcoming journey with my EYES WIDE OPEN...
Rob, throw a little faith in there and you'll be fine. We all have 'big' hopes for you man.
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Today I sent for my visa, a double entry one..Here's hoping....
I have only just over another 8 weeks til 'the face to face'. I know all the bravado statements etc from myself may seem irritating, but I think these are just my 'defenses'. Truth be told 'I am terrified', 'I am scared sh.tless'. There are so many thoughts running around my mind. Whatever the outcome, it will be something that I think, no, something I know, I will remember for the rest of my life
But you also have to remember guys, this is NOT just about meeting Keren. I am giving up everything i know here, but I am sure it will be for the good. He he the nerves are starting to 'kick in' hehe
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Hmmm, I wonder who writes those little poems on the profile pages? Some of them are completely hatstand (I think that is the correct word for them :huh:).
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Hmmm, I wonder who writes those little poems on the profile pages?
I found most of the poems are a few lines from the ladies fav poem or a fitting on. Or maybe it's the translators fav poem?
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:icon_arrow:I went to school with many Hispanic girls (in Texas) that were breathtaking beauties. When they're really pretty they are exquisite and usually quite fussy. They're also very fiery, have incredibly short tempers, and are the personification of high maintenance.... Prone to do bodily harm with whatever is at hand if they suspect they've been trifled with!
They tend to go for the devoted hard working Hispanic males who worship the ground they walk on.....and get treated like crap.
I'm done with bad and the ugly....it's time for the good.:icon_arrowl:
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This is stereotyping, as if ALL Latino ladies are just the same as described here, ...of course there Not!!
The same applies to Ladies from Hong Kong, many here would have you belive that the HK lady is only after a ''Sugar Daddy'' Having lived and worked there, i can assure you there Not!! Sure you can meet that type of lady in the bars and clubs, but they are far outweighed by the every increasing lonely divorced ladies in HK
Not many here are probably aware, that many HK single and married Chinese men are now going over to the mainland to play around with the women there. Yes, they have the same or very similar traits as the mainland Chinese men. The shortcoming of all this, is the growing number of divorced ladies being recorded in HK.
I know of one such lady, who is a young 44 yr old and desperately wants to be married again. ...And i can tell you, she is just about the most genuine lady you could ever wish for, A far cry from this really silly stereotyping we all hear about. She is an educated bi-lingual normal woman, with an 11 yr old son, has a normal good job at a bank, and owns her own apartment on HK Island. ...Sound much like a ''Gold Digger'' to you??
Just remember, there are as many bad minded ladies in China as there are anywhere else in the world, so you still have to weed out the good ones from the chuff....
David .....
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Vince, that is great. The Spanish Mafia playing the Godfather theme on bagpipes. What would there be to fear? Where would they hide their guns? Up their skirt... I mean kilt? Plus if they were traditional Scotsmen and they reached for the gun. What if they grabbed the wrong object? I don't know if I should say this but I've heard if you yank it twice it will shoot at you too. Of course I wouldn't really know about these kinds of things. I mean, it would be difficult for me to control my laughter. :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
But Rob, to maintain the brotherhood and keep thing friendly between us I will agree to not send any bagpipe music to Keren. He address is probably the agencies anyway. I could just send it to her translator instead. I would tell the translator, what ever you do please do not give this CD to Keren. Of course what ever the translator did she would be responsible for.
I went to a high school in Texas called Bel Air High School. Our mascot was the Highlander and we had an all girl Bagpipe and Drum Corps. I've attached a picture from when I was in High School of the band and the school logo.
:icon_arrow:I went to school with many Hispanic girls (in Texas) that were breathtaking beauties. When they're really pretty they are exquisite and usually quite fussy. They're also very fiery, have incredibly short tempers, and are the personification of high maintenance.... Prone to do bodily harm with whatever is at hand if they suspect they've been trifled with!
They tend to go for the devoted hard working Hispanic males who worship the ground they walk on.....and get treated like crap.
I'm done with bad and the ugly....it's time for the good.:icon_arrowl:
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This is stereotyping, as if ALL Latino ladies are just the same as described here, ...of course there Not!!
The same applies to Ladies from Hong Kong, many here would have you belive that the HK lady is only after a ''Sugar Daddy'' Having lived and worked there, i can assure you there Not!! Sure you can meet that type of lady in the bars and clubs, but they are far outweighed by the every increasing lonely divorced ladies in HK
Not many here are probably aware, that many HK single and married Chinese men are now going over to the mainland to play around with the women there. Yes, they have the same or very similar traits as the mainland Chinese men. The shortcoming of all this, is the growing number of divorced ladies being recorded in HK.
I know of one such lady, who is a young 44 yr old and desperately wants to be married again. ...And i can tell you, she is just about the most genuine lady you could ever wish for, A far cry from this really silly stereotyping we all hear about. She is an educated bi-lingual normal woman, with an 11 yr old son, has a normal good job at a bank, and owns her own apartment on HK Island. ...Sound much like a ''Gold Digger'' to you??
Just remember, there are as many bad minded ladies in China as there are anywhere else in the world, so you still have to weed out the good ones from the chuff....
David .....
Excellent response. Thanks.
Shaun
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Wow, david, I mean,.... Wow, that post was smokin, give em hell brother, nice one David. :icon_cheesygrin:
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:icon_arrow:I went to school with many Hispanic girls (in Texas) that were breathtaking beauties. When they're really pretty they are exquisite and usually quite fussy. They're also very fiery, have incredibly short tempers, and are the personification of high maintenance.... Prone to do bodily harm with whatever is at hand if they suspect they've been trifled with!
They tend to go for the devoted hard working Hispanic males who worship the ground they walk on.....and get treated like crap.
I'm done with bad and the ugly....it's time for the good.:icon_arrowl:
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This is stereotyping, as if ALL Latino ladies are just the same as described here, ...of course there Not!!...
David .....
Hi David....I didn't know you were Hispanic and grew up in Texas. Qué pasó amigó!
That was my experience and NOT an observation, I never said that ALL latino women were like that, I said: "I went to school with many Hispanic girls (in Texas) that were breathtaking beauties. When they're really pretty they are exquisite and usually quite fussy. They're also very fiery, have incredibly short tempers, and are the personification of high maintenance.... Prone to do bodily harm with whatever is at hand if they suspect they've been trifled with! They tend to go for the devoted hard working Hispanic males who worship the ground they walk on.....and get treated like crap".
This refers to a select group of women and is a statement of fact based upon my personal experiences...it is not meant as a generalization of ALL latino women.
Felipe
:)
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Hi guys I meant to say...Yesterday i posted my Visa application form, so I was really happy...:icon_cheesygrin: Today when I went to the post office to post something else, the attendant told me, That 'should' be ok getting there, there is a strike on!!!!!:s:huh:
So now on top of everything that has happened, I have the agonising wait to see if my application from is going to get to the embassy...:huh: God sometimes this past few months it feels as if fate is conspiring against Keren and Myself:huh::huh::@:@
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Phil,
Sorry amigó! But the way it was originaly written, gave that impression, that it was another generalisation.
If as you say it wasn't, that's fine, i appologise openly to you.
Too many generalisations appear on these threads, some have foundations, but most have none...
David....
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It's too late now mate it was sent yesterday....
I paid £4.95 for next day delivery service, so i wont know until i get my passport back whether they received it in time or not...
Where I live is 400 or 500 miles away mate..If I had known about the strike, I would have went down and handed it in myself...
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Hi Rob,
If you used the chinesevisadirect site they will e-mail you as soon as they get it. Then keep you updated, They even tell you the day it will be delivered back to you. If you used another company, well , the post office should have given you a tracking number. Go to the PO website and punch in the number. I sent mine off with only two weeks before I left ! So I'm sure it will be fine.:icon_cheesygrin:
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I failed to get the official website to work in any browser I used. In the end I used an agency in London's China Town. My visa took about 7 working days to arrive which wasn't bad. It cost more this way, but the agency didn't charge that much on top of the standard fees.
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Hi guys, just a little update, I got an Email from the company that I'm using for my visa in London. They said that my Visa application has been received and has been forwarded to the Chinese Embassy...Yeaaaa:icon_biggrin:
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:icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin:
Happy for you!!!!!!!!!
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Thats great news Rob. :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin: :icon_arrow: :icon_arrow: :icon_cheesygrin:
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Well today I went to see the nurse for the last injection before I go, so I was quite happy about that...:icon_cheesygrin:
Then...Once i got in it was a new nurse, she read my notes and discovered that i 'should' have been back earlier, the 'last' nurse had made a mistake...:s Now I have to go back 'next' Monday to discuss where I am going etc, then go back on the 19th October for 'MY' new booster:huh::@
I HATE BLOODY NEEDLES...:@:@
However, the last nurse had a lot on her mind I was told, she had just found out 'she' had breast cancer.... So I suppose she could be forgiven for the mistake...
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Rob, I don't remember exactly where in China you're going but if its any where near south China, use bug repellant, the last time we were there a mosquito gave me a nasty little going away present, so don't let the little bugger bite you.
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I just finished taking the last of my Malaria pills from my trip. Got those Rob? I guess Malaria isn't what you're talking about is it Michael? I saw more dragonflies than mosquitoes though. I believe they eat 'em.
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Shouldnt be so much of a problem in November with mosquito's i should think? When I was in Guangzhou last winter i didn't see a single one and that was despite temperatures being in the 30's C some dasy, that said the pollution is so bad there it probably kills a lot of the bugs anyhow.
Come to think of it when we were in Malaysia this summer Ling got lots of bites and i got non, so maybe the Celtic blood is off-putting to the buggers!
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I don't know if mainland China is different, but October in Hong Kong I barely saw a bug, even when travelling all over the New Territories. Bringing bug repellant was a waste of time. The only place I saw a few flying bugs was on Lantau Island near the big Buddha.
I'm not sure if getting innoculations is worth it either, you could get the dozen or so injections that are recommended, then pick up the one thing you didn't get innoculated for.
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Yep thats what I'm talking about, Malaria, got a good dose of it, and I realize that Rob is going in November but he is going to live there like Willy, now Willy they won't bit, if they do then the little buggers will never be the same, oh wait its only the female mosquitoes that bite, :icon_cheesygrin:
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... now Willy they won't bit, if they do then the little buggers will never be the same, oh wait its only the female mosquitoes that bite, :icon_cheesygrin:
There's me think you were actually talking about the female population.....:huh:
It's Southeast I'm heading for, facing the island of Japan...(I Think:s)
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Thanks mate...I did say I think...LOL I knew it was on the east coast, but thought it was southeast
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Rob, then you shouldn't have to much of a problem with the little biters. :icon_cheesygrin:
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South East may be East - facing Japan - just how are you going to get too where you are going?
Maybe when I pop back to London next week I should send you a 'poo bear' type label to tie to your shirt. hehe
Willy
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Last I knew about the biters is that the one's in nam brought their own tanker trucks, and looked like a pack of b-52's
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Hehehe rocky, and just as big to :icon_cheesygrin:
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Got this about 30 minutes ago...
Dear Customer,
Your Chinese visa is ready, and we are going to send back to you now(Wen 23-Sep-09). You should get your passport Thu 24-Sep-09 before 1:00PM.
Don't know how long, but it sounds like I got my VISA....Yippee:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Way to go Rob!!!! Your set. Looking forward to the new thread about life in China.
Shaun
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way to go Rob...this is exciting news!
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You got a new Visa - good news - whats the spending limit on it? Now your good to go shopping in China to find your dream girl. Good spending :sleepy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRsqFg9-1rM in fact here is Scottish Rob using his new Visa to get to his girl in china.
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RECEIVED IT this morning.....Double Entry:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
On my way to China to see my China Doll...YES:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::angel:
ROFLMAO thanks for that Rhon
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I also got a double entry, just in case...
I spent ages looking for the Visa in the envelope, then I realised it was glued in my passport :dodgy:.
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I also got a double entry, just in case...
I spent ages looking for the Visa in the envelope, then I realised it was glued in my passport :dodgy:.
I know what you mate mate...I done the same....lol:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Great news Rob. Not long now. By the way were you an extra in Braveheart or a character. (I know you are a character anyway).
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Great news Rob. Not long now. By the way were you an extra in Braveheart or a character. (I know you are a character anyway).
Just an extra in most films mate...:icon_biggrin:
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ROFLMFAO, JimB got you Rob, :icon_cheesygrin:
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Look at the excerpts that is included in earlier letters and look at this entire letter..
Am I imagining things here or could it be our 'new' translator (3 weeks only)?
Dear Robert
Thanks for your nice letter for me, you have told me that you have not credit on chnlvoe, so I can understand your late letter, however to be honest I can not imagine that you will spend so long time to write to me, about half a month, I thought that you would give me up. Hehe just kidding.
Thanks so much for telling me the things in your side, I am well and everything is fine, my son is also very well, so don't worry about me, yes I am excited and nervous for your coming, I think that we have the same feeling, (^_^)
Thanks for your friends' nice words for me, say hello for them and also send my best wishes for them, Robert, you said that if I have heard something from chnlove about our wedding, honey I often communicated with the agent in Qingdao and they treat me very well, especially the boss Jennifer, so now could you tell me your meaning here? What should I heard from Chnlove? What do you want to tell me? I have a little confused.
Congratulations for getting your passport and also your visa was ready.
Send my best wishes for you
Yours Keren
Hello am I 'MISSING' something here...???
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I often communicated with the agent in Qingdao and they treat me very well, especially the boss Jennifer, so now could you tell me your meaning here? What should I heard from Chnlove? What do you want to tell me? I have a little confused.
Why would Keren say "the boss Jennifer"? She would have said the owner or manager? It's not Keren's boss? So this is the "boss" trying to get info on what's being said.
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my thoughts mate...well done for noticing...
I often communicated with the agent in Qingdao and they treat me very well, especially the boss Jennifer, so now could you tell me your meaning here? What should I heard from Chnlove? What do you want to tell me? I have a little confused.
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Wow do you guys spend your nights laying awake thinking of this stuff.Paranoi will destoy you.Ask the Irishman.It looks like to me it was just a change in the translaters.So the translater is fishing for information so you don't suspect there is a change later
The letter is written in fairly descent Chinglish.And I probably could tell you what it means if I had seen some of the previose letters.
My quess and this is just a guess.Is the translater is trying to figure out the wedding plans.To collect the money.collect the money end of contract boss gives translater a big pat on the back.
About the only way to make sure what the lady is saying is direct contact.Web cam would do.Or just a call to Keren cell phone.There is halfe a dozen ways to connect and there all fairly cheap.
Rob reach out and touch Keren.This will put the whole thing at ease for you.
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Thanks mate...
It won't be long now anyway, so I suppose I will have to suffer these things til I get there...:huh::huh::s
It was just so frustrating seeing what she 'apparently' wrote:@:huh:
So the translater is fishing for information so you don't suspect there is a change later
The letter is written in fairly descent Chinglish.And I probably could tell you what it means if I had seen some of the previose letters.
My quess and this is just a guess.Is the translater is trying to figure out the wedding plans.To collect the money.collect the money end of contract boss gives translater a big pat on the back.
'Fishing for info so I don't suspect...' Maxx I know about the change in translators for 3 weeks...
Read earlier posts in this thread mate these are all from Ke Ren...
Why would THIS translator try to collect, SHE is only a stand in...
Maxx read also post 46 from me which states
"...I spoke to Keren the other day and I mentioned about some of the guy's getting or have got their weddings done through Chnlove and having it filmed... Her reply was, shall we try to do this? Will I write to the company and ask to see how this can be done?.
On page 15 here (post 149) her letter asks what I am on about concerning Chnlove...???
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Hang in there Rob, it will be OK! Just don't get done by the agency.
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Rob
Did you REALLY go for 2 weeks without any contact with Keren ?...or were you on the phone, or some other media in this time.
If there was no "official" contact through CHNLove during this time, maybe they thought you were trying to bypass them, contacting her without using them and get Keren out of paying more money when you visit ??...so they are fishing for info so they can collect their cash....they dont care who does the deal...just so long as they get paid !!
DavidE
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Rob
Did you REALLY go for 2 weeks without any contact with Keren ?...or were you on the phone, or some other media in this time.
If there was no "official" contact through CHNLove during this time, maybe they thought you were trying to bypass them, contacting her without using them and get Keren out of paying more money when you visit ??...so they are fishing for info so they can collect their cash....they dont care who does the deal...just so long as they get paid !!
DavidE
Yes mate no contact.....But this was told to Ke Ren about 3 weeks in advance and also in my last emf to her..she Knew about this absence.. On saying that, if you look at the end of that sentence she says she is joking...
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Well, I got another letter from Ke Ren today, and she apologised about the last one..
It was this way because it was a 'new translator' and also because she was 'really' tired. So all the grief that I went through there was no need for it, I must remember Maxx's 24 hr rule...hhmmmmnnnn:@
Angry at myself for being so bloody STUPID.....AAaaaggggg
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Rob,
Read some of the other posts. It happens to all of us at one time or another. You do not need to worry about that. Add to that all of the other issues; You got your visa, everything is a go and it is happening soon, you have fears and doubts, you are leaving everything you have known most of your life behind for a while at least, and you are going to see the most wonderful woman in the world. Sure you might worry and feel that way. We are all behind you.
Don't forget the 24 hour rule, but don't bust on yourself when you do.
Now I expect you to tell me some of the same things when it is my turn to go.
Shaun
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Well, I got another letter from Ke Ren today, and she apologised about the last one..
It was this way because it was a 'new translator' and also because she was 'really' tired. So all the grief that I went through there was no need for it, I must remember Maxx's 24 hr rule...hhmmmmnnnn:@
Angry at myself for being so bloody STUPID.....AAaaaggggg
Rob,
this happens to all of us ..... you are not alone in this ....
stay the course mate ..... keep with your plan ... everything will work out ... and when you are face to face with Keren you will both be nervous, and you will feel like a stumbling idiot .... at least I did ... but after spending some real time together, and talking, and sharing ..... it will turn into a feeling like you have known this woman already for years... and that initial meeting will be something you each look back on and laugh about ... or was that just me .... :) well whatever happens you let us know .... but for now just get there, and USE THE RULE, even when in China!
always remember how she feels about you, no matter what....
Mike
Greetings Brothers,
Rob, what Mike said. Couldnt have said it better myself. I think we all get nervous and doubtful when we are about to head over to China, and the longer the wait has been the more nervous and scared we get. Lets face it you and Kerern have invested a lot of time and emotion and money in this search for true love, its only normal to have anxiety and fear as the date finally approaches.
As has been said countless times before, be yourself, remember what you have learned and taught here, and everything will be fine. With Zhen and I we were lucky our first meet was like a real life emf letter, everything carried forward so smoothly. I am quite sure the same will happen for you.
Good luck and best wishes to both of you from both of us.
Zhen and Brian
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Even those who try to teach get doubtful and nervous....lol
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Ming
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Thank you for the kind words. Yes I am sincere in heart...:icon_biggrin::blush:
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How many day's is it untill you arive in China now, mate?:icon_cheesygrin:
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48 days.....1154 hours.....69270 minutes.....4154400 seconds
But hey mate......I'm not counting
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48 days.....1154 hours.....69270 minutes.....4154400 seconds
But hey mate......I'm not counting
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Neither are we... 5,6,7,8... a little theatrical inference there :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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How they count to babies 1, 2 3 9, 11 38, 100:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Rob, She is probably just as nervous as you are right now. So now is the time for caution in what you say. And YES, the 24 hour rule is sacred. Believe me, I have screwed with it and almost ruined this thing. Twice. Thankfully my wife is a patient and forgiving woman otherwise I would still be single and looking for something I lost. So my advice is just what you have said yourself. You are a very smart and caring guy. You will get this right I am sure. And yes, as you well know, THIS is the place to vent your questions and anxieties, not with her. All the best to you and KaRen. I know it will work. You will be one of the 40%.
Jim
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Rob, She is probably just as nervous as you are right now. So now is the time for caution in what you say. And YES, the 24 hour rule is sacred. Believe me, I have screwed with it and almost ruined this thing. Twice. Thankfully my wife is a patient and forgiving woman otherwise I would still be single and looking for something I lost. So my advice is just what you have said yourself. You are a very smart and caring guy. You will get this right I am sure. And yes, as you well know, THIS is the place to vent your questions and anxieties, not with her. All the best to you and KaRen. I know it will work. You will be one of the 40%.
Jim
Jim
Yeah mate she keeps telling me "Honey you know your Ke Ren is a very shy girl..." LOL
As you probably know I saidI was writingthe rules down for myself to keep reminding myself...Well I have wrote them down about 4 times...Hehe and in each list the 24 hour rule is in capital letters and number 1 on each list...lol
Thank you for your kind words sir, much appreciated...
How is Mrs Burk coping with being married now?
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He he guys I think we are in need of a good laugh after the last few days. So here is a little snippet of my last letter to my sweetheart Ke Ren. Some how though, I am not sure if she will see the humour in what I have written -- which (honestly) was a mistake. I did not notice this until I was reading it over after I had sent it:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::blush::huh:
"...My Sweet future Lao PoKe Ren...":blush::blush::angel::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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He he guys I think we are in need of a good laugh after the last few days. So here is a little snippet of my last letter to my sweetheart Ke Ren. Some how though, I am not sure if she will see the humour in what I have written -- which (honestly) was a mistake. I did not notice this until I was reading it over after I had sent it:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::blush::huh:
"...My Sweet future Lao PoKe Ren...":blush::blush::angel::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Aren't you a little old to be collecting Pikachus?
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"...My Sweet future Lao PoKe Ren...":blush::blush::angel::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
OOOOOH !!!! You ARE naughty....or was it a Freudian slip :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
David
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"...My Sweet future Lao PoKe Ren...":blush::blush::angel::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
OOOOOH !!!! You ARE naughty....or was it a Freudian slip :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
David
Yes that was the other suttle meaning I gleemed from Rob's comment - I see that you got straight to the point :icon_confused:
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Scottish Robs new name - Pokémon (Poky man)
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Scottish Robs new name - Pokémon (Poky man)
Yes those Scotts like their Diks...oops I mean their Dirks
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ROFLMAO:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Scottish Robs new name - Pokémon (Poky man)
Yes those Scotts like their Diks...oops I mean their Dirks
Greetings brothers,
As for the diks and pokemon etc let us not forget this is the forum called Campfire so I guess a Poke her er I mean poker is in order no? Oh and thats generic not aimed at SRob and his most beautiful lady in anyway shapre or form.
Yes I am going a little stir crazy waiting for the 26th Oct. I cant help it life now really seems like a rollercoaster.
Regards,
Zhen and Brian
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Hi guys I think this will be my last letter on this thread.
At the moment I confused, angry and a little bit bewildered, unless I'm reading this wrong, maybe its just nerves getting to me?
As you all know I'm 4 feet 9 inches 'TALL' hehe she is 5 feet 3 inches, and have always been upfront with Ke Ren about this. Well I worked out the centimetre difference between us and it is something like 17 . So I told her the other day and today I got this reply, this is the letter in its entirety
"...My qin ai de Laogong Rob
Honey, I feel very confused by your height right now, you said you are only 17 centimeters ? Are you kidding honey ? hehe,can you reach my waist ? Or the shoulders ? I have to confirm it because my parents kept asked me about this , I hope you don't mind !
I went to attend a friend's wedding dinner last night, and I have drunk two glasses of beer, many of my friends has a happy family, but some of my friends are the same as me, they got divorced and hope to met the real right man, honey, we are the perfect match in heart, when I told them about this , they all feel very surpised because you are from England, the foreigner seemed can have a better treatment here in China, so people will admire me !: )
My sister could cook really dishes , better than me, hehe, and my mom can also cook , they said I am the only worries for them, hehe, once I got married with you, I think they can be reassured because I have someone to love, and to take care of ! once you are here, you will know how nice they are !
The winter will come soon, Rob, do you love the cold weather ? I love the Qingdao in every season, because it has the different typical characters in the four seasons, I will go to buy a warm coat next weekend, what color do you think is the best honey ? i want to wear that one to pick you up at the airport !
I hope I can celebrate the birthday for you, honey, I will learn to make the birthday cake for you, you will never be alone in the future !
You are not heavy honey, just keep your shape , I don't want you to lose any weight , but don't get too heavy, haha
Honey, I have to leave earlier today, there is a parents association office in peter's school after school today, I have to rush to his school, being late will be rude . : )
I have to go now, baby, take care
Kisses
Honey, you didn't tell me how is your arm, I am worried about you
Yours Kathy
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I think she she thinks you said you are 17cms tall altogether!!(that's why she asks about the waist..17cm tall or the shoulders ..17cm difference), I would just tell her your height in cm and see what she says to be honest. The tone of the rest of her letter is very nice so I wouldn't worry to much about it.
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Rob,
I think by the tone it came across that you were 17cms tall like Ronan said. It sounded like she was having a little fun with the translation error. She knows how tall you are. She is a female and things like that do not go unnoticed. I grew up with 4 sisters and have 2 daughters. You would not believe the things that they commit memory about a man they love. They also discuss everything about their men too. THAT one drives me insane.
There should be no worries about what she was saying. It sounds to me she is very comfortable with you. If she should be worried about anything it should be the bagpipes and kilt.
Shaun
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Rob
I think the nerves are getting to you. Relax a bit mate she sounds like she is very comfortable with you. secure enough to have a laugh and a joke. Of course she knows you are not 17cm tall ! Now is not the time to get kranky. Relax and enjoy the love of a this good woman.:icon_biggrin:
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Rob,
After reading your last post here, i have absolutly no idea why you are feeling ''confused, angry and a little bit bewildered''
There is nothing in her letter to give you those feelings, none that i can see anyway. She's either having a bit of fun with you, or the translation has gone off a little somewhere, or maybe even both!!! ...Don't be so touchy mate, your seeing stuff that just isn't there. Just look forward too your new life in China with her....
David....
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Scottish , do not even worry about that , but work on your metrics as they do not know what feet and inches are in China , a lot of the girls will measure themselves with footwear on so you may find the difference is less than you think with 4 inches being approx 102 millimeters or 10.2 centimeters , do not worry and discuss the coat , regards Robert .
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I felt these emotions because I had told her about my height on numerous occasions and we spoke about it too...
It's just my nerves getting to me...sorry guys...:huh:
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It must be a British thing ? Irish ( sorry buddy ) went through it ... now you showing the same pre-visit nervousness . A time you should be confident as a Gentleman should be . Maybe instead of Irish's ass I need to kick your's ? :@:icon_cheesygrin:
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Calm down Rob and have a cup of tea. 17cm - will that come between you? Of course it will - several times a night - 17cm is only just a little more than 6" - need I say more:icon_cheesygrin:
It is as you say just your nerves. Everything will be OK. You have spent a year on this and had your highs and lows in that time. But remember things are going to get more exciting for you and will be reaching a crescendo in about 6 weeks time and anything up to 17cm will be an important feature!!!!
Put aside any misgivings that are going through your head. Get yourself a nice hobby like Brett - hang up all your suits around the house and choose which one you are taking to China then ask our advice and then decide not to take any of them!!!!
Just try to clear your mind of negative thoughts and keep the positive. You and Ke Ren will be fine.
Willy
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Greetings Brothers,
Scottish, yup your nerves are getting the better of your brain for sure. I recommend two things for you.
1- A long cold swim in the North Sea to wake you up and follow that up with a couple of nice Mcewans, or Necastle Brown to warm you back up again.
2-Go back and read Ke Rens letters to you and your responses to her. She loves you like Zhen loves me not a doubt in my mind. If you read her letters again and pay attention to what she says and the feelings she shows these dumb gloomy thoughts are gonna melt like morning fog and her sunlight is gonna warm your heart and remind you why you have to go to China.
That woman is in serious love with you and you damned well better be with her or we brothers are gonna come over there and kick your... Then we gonna put it on a plane and send you to Ke Ren so she can do the same, after you marry her of course hehe.
Dont sweat it Rob she loves you big time.
Looking forward to hearing from you when you arrive in China and keep this thread running.
Regards,
Zhen and Brian
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Rob you seen what all the members wrote.What they are telling you is true.Get the hell out of your own head.All you are doing is messing your self up.
Next your going to be worried that you can't eat the food.Or handle the weather.Or the traffic.Rob just relaxe and go with the flow.You have ben at this a long time.To just drop this over a joke.Your lady has a good idea how tall you are.And she was just having a little fun with you.
Rob to make this work buddy your going to have to lighten up alot.Don't take yourself so seriosly.What is going to happen when she tells you.You are fat?Do you pack your bags and run away.Or do you just laugh with her.
Get the hell out of your own head all your going to do is mess this thing up.
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Rb im with these guys .It didnt seem like she was serious.It did look like she thought you said you were 17 cm.Dont worry about it she cares for you .Read the rest of the letter she is worried about your arm.Bro relax take a deep breath have some irish coffee and smell the roses.She loves you no doubt.
Ron
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Hope your feeling Ok Rob. An hour on the phone talking to me is enough for any sane person to top themself!!!!
Willy
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Thanks to all you guys...I know I was /am being stupid,:@ as I said I answered Ke Rens letter today and treated it like a joke, telling her the right height difference...(that I would only reach her knees)..:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:.
I made the letter more interested in her coat etc :angel:and obviously about her 'heavy' drinking...lol:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Everything is cool brothers. Thanks for the support as usual:angel:
Hope your feeling Ok Rob. An hour on the phone talking to me is enough for any sane person to top themself!!!!
Willy
So where was it you said to get the supply of Viagra???....ROFLMAO
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RECEIVED THIS MORNING...:@:@:@
My dear Rob
This is not a happy day as usual, I don't know how to start this letter because I can imagine how bad you will feel, I don't want to hurt you, I don't want to let you feel bad , but I have to tell the truth, honey, do you know that your height is always the thing I have been worried ? I told no one about this except my mom, I want to tell others when they can accept you in their heart, at the time when they think you are a nice man, I discussed with my mom that I decided to tell this truth last night when all the families get together on last Sunday, Rob, I have suffered from the big burdern when they shows their disagree, I feel very hurt at that time, Peter felt disappointed because of that too, Rob, I am so sorry to tell you about this truth, but I think it's a problem we have to solve , I don't want you to see other's supercilious look when you are here, I don't want to have a bad relationship with families and Peter , do you understand ? Its all my fault to keep this from them until now , because I do love you and care about you, I never want things happend like this, Rob, I don't know how to decide now, each of my family talked with me last night, I am afraid to lose you because of their oppose , my dad said he will not take me as his daughter if i will marry you , Rob, do you how how hurt I am when I listened to this ? I am very very very down now, I feel the world has suddenly turn into dark, I could not see my sunshine .
Rob, It's so tough for me to choose, I have to be think over and over .....
I have to leave for now , I am very sorry about everything , I dont know how to talk with you now, because I know the more I talk, the more you will feel hurt
Kathy
Time for Maxx's rule...
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Outch... :(
I don't really know what to say about that letter, but... whatever man would be tall/small/fat/slim/blind or not, what can allow some people to say things like that?
It's really difficult to say that Kathy has played with you. But what I don't really understand is that she never told her parents about your height (and maybe other things?)
Well...
:s
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Wow, Rob, I really don't know what to say.
Shaun
Rob,
A couple of thoughts. She is upset but she did not close the door. She did not say no to you. She did not say this is impossible.
She does say that it is something the two of you will have to work through.
Rob, I think your personality just might be able to overcome any issue of height. Just win them over with your personality just like you have here on this site. I don't know of anyone here that does not enjoy a discussion with you.
Just pour on the charm.
Shaun
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Chin up Rob,
I know it's a bit of a blow to say the least, but get your self to China and win over her family. Remember they have never met you. I'm sure you can make a good enough impression on them, to get them on side. Ke Ren wants this as much as you do so don't give up! Its not your style mate!
Ming Zhi,Paul
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Outch... :(
I don't really know what to say about that letter, but... whatever man would be tall/small/fat/slim/blind or not, what can allow some people to say things like that?
It's really difficult to say that Kathy has played with you. But what I don't really understand is that she never told her parents about your height (and maybe other things?)
Well...
:s
Sly, I don't think she played me, she does say that she wanted her family to accept me in their hearts first.
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Rob go with what Paul and Shaun are telling you.Let them see that you are a good person.
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Wow, Rob, I really don't know what to say.
Shaun
Rob,
A couple of thoughts. She is upset but she did not close the door. She did not say no to you. She did not say this is impossible.
She does say that it is something the two of you will have to work through.
Rob, I think your personality just might be able to overcome any issue of height. Just win them over with your personality just like you have here on this site. I don't know of anyone here that does not enjoy a discussion with you.
Just pour on the charm.
Shaun
Shaun
No she did not close the door and did not say it was impossible, but if you KNOW Chinese culture FAMILY is way to important -- even for love;-((
Yes we will have to work this out but I will need for her to meet me, if her family is against it, then I have to cross the first hurdle...MEETING her
My personality is something that I do think would win them over...However,once I get there, what if they don't want to see me??? How does my personality get through to them then !!!
Chin up Rob,
I know it's a bit of a blow to say the least, but get your self to China and win over her family. Remember they have never met you. I'm sure you can make a good enough impression on them, to get them on side. Ke Ren wants this as much as you do so don't give up! Its not your style mate!
Ming Zhi,Paul
Paul yes mate a very bitter pill to swallow:huh:
I do think that Ke Ren wants us to be together. I don't intend giving up without a fight !!!
Tonight I am sending ke Ren a letter, with many thoughts and some ideas of what we can do (NO not elope). I WILL NOT TAKE ANYONE WHO WILL NOT RESPECT THEIR FAMILY...
I am still going I am going over this 'SETBACK' will not deter me, because as I said from the start, I will have a back up plan and I always have the teaching... And telling her I am still coming over is the start.
Yes I have questions I want to ask? But this will also be for her father, without being disrespectful to him. (which will be hard)
I don't know about winning the family over mate, once 'the family' mindset is set, it is VERY hard to get them to change their minds, ask Ming about how I should approach this for me will you please.
However, I will try...
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Sorry to hear the news Rob. A problem I guess you have had to deal with for your whole life. It is too bad that some measure a man's height in inches and feet and not the deeds his reputation has made for himself. The problem is their shortsightedness :s I wish you successes in your latest ordeal.
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It takes a wise man to understand the word respect and its meaning.Respect comes in all forms.Rob you going there to meet her and her family should be respected her father should show you respect and hear you out.Personally I am 6 foot tall whatever that is in cm i dont know.I measure a man by his heart not by his size and to me you have a whole hell of a lot of heart.Just my opinion.Show them what you are made of my friend.
Ron
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Here attached is the letter I sent to Ke Ren a few minutes a go...
Sweet Sweet Ke Ren
Today when I received this last letter from you my heart sank, it sank deeper than I thought it could do...I am so sad to read your words;-((
I can understand how you feel, it is something that I had a feeling about ;-((. But the question I must ask is WHY did you not say this to me before? I said at the beginning in our letters, if you thought my height was going to be a problem, you should tell me because I did not want to be hurt, and 'apparently' in your letters to me you said it was fine....
I understand your culture and that family is the MOST IMPORTANT thing honey. I don't want you to 'lose' your family, because I know how important they are to you. Does me coming over to China (half way around the world) to meet you not show respect? I have always placed great faith in respect for the family, out of respect for you will your family meet me so we could talk or for them to get to know me?
I have sent over 150 letters to you since November of last year 11 months !!!! And you have sent 130 to me, would your father not take that into consideration???
11 months have been invested in our courtship, there are emotional ties between us, we have both invested a lot of time, effort, emotion and money into my coming there to see you.
I am NOT complaining about this...I AM STILL COMING TO QINGDAO, I would be very pleased if you will at least meet me, and spend some time with me?
Why should you be worried about my height...will it embarrass you that I am 17 cms shorter than you? 17 cms sweetheart is only the length of someones HEAD.
Do you think those people that over 172 cms tall get embarrassed because their wifes, girlfriends are SHORTER than them??? Or that the ladies feel embarrassed because their Boyfriends or husbands are TALLER than them???
Height does not come in a relationship, it is what is in the persons HEART.... Maybe your family will see that what is in my heart is pure, and this will take away the look of being smaller than you.
Honey I did not want to tell you this, remember the other day I spoke about birthdays. Well that day I sent you a card and some presents, there is also a present in this parcel for Peter. Once you get it, please keep the envelope to show your family that I SENT THEM BEFORE I got this last letter from you. Please check the dates and you will see that it is NOT because of what was written to me in the last letter.
I understand your reasons for not telling your family about this height difference honey, but you should have been more upfront with them.
This is a problem honey that 'we' can work out. For example, you know I am going to teach there, would it be better if we had a longer wait to marry, in which time your family could get to know me?
The way people look at me, please don't worry about that.
My sweet baby I know how difficult it must be for you to choose... I could beg you to choose me, but that is tugging at your heart strings, and I will not do that.
Of course I would be disappointed and hurt, but you must go with what your heart says...
Remember I Love You
Rob
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Nice letter Rob.
Stick to what we discussed on the phone and go over - everything is possible and you have already paid for the flight and hotel.
Willy
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Rob,
Let me tell you something here, contrary to what most here seem to think, Family disapproval is NOT set in stone in China!! In most cases of a Father's initial disapproval will eventually be circumvented. What you have to realise here, is that he knows as well as the rest of the family knows, that she has absolutly no chance of finding a Chinese husband, so it's a foreigner or nothing!! Do you think her father is going to condemn his daughter to a life of loneliness without even meeting you??
All these discussions have been going on without the family knowing much about you, and not even having met you to date. So they clearly don't know your personality, and character as a man, let alone the love that you can show to there daughter, and the happy life you can bring to her life.
So don't go steaming in half cocked, just take things in your stride, one step at a time. It's unfortunate to be having yet another obstacle put in your path at this stage of affairs, but i can tell you Rob, it's not the end of the world, or the end of your relationship with Ke ken...
The other thing that also needs to be said, Don't sell your own cultural background short here either, these Chinese ladies have to remember that there perspective husbands have values that are equally valid to there Chinese values.
I'm glad to hear that no-matter what, ...your still going to China. If the worst really comes to the worst, there are ways and means to make your time profitable in terms of love while your out there in person. I think Willy has proved that, in his own quest to find the love of his life in China. But to be honest, i don't think it'll come to that Rob. I think this is just another hic-up in your journey, Albeit one you could well do without at this stage of your relationship!!
David.....
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Listen to the words Rob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-wmAeqDSKw
Willy
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Brilliant mate.................... absolutely loved it....WILL DO...I got the message
Thank you my friend.:icon_biggrin:
Just finished watching Travelogue on CCTV9, tonight was the turn of the place I am going to Qingdao..............I gotta say guys WOW this place looks amazing...
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Rob
As always, these "problems" look and feel worse because of the "tyranny of distance".
The issue that has caused the bubble can be managed better on the spot ...face to face.
Yes, certainly be respectful to her Dad...but also be a strong character...You must assume that there is NO problem...I am sure he will respect a strong, competant Man...and you are the BEST choice for his daughter...he knows that.
Stay focussed, stay confident...you can win this ....mate :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
DavidE
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Just finished watching Travelogue on CCTV9, tonight was the turn of the place I am going to Qingdao..............I gotta say guys WOW this place looks amazing...
One thing for certain - it will look even better when you are there.
Willy
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Hi Rob,
I showed the letter that Ke Ren sent to you to Ming Zhi and also your reply. She was very impressed by your letter mate, and said she thinks that you are a very good man. As for advice these are her words I think they express her meaning quite clearly:
Rob's idea is very correct, let her family know his character slowly, his girlfriend wants to use his thoughts to her family.
Love is two people's hearts, the first one. Family relationships, the second place. The main life is a husband and wife, two people happy. If the family members agree this is the best. Help them see the deep love, that is the key.
I think David5o advice and observations are spot on. I don't think this is a lost cause but more like just another bump in the road.
If the two of you show a united front to her family and as Ming Zhi suggested show them the deep love between you. Then hearts will soften and you will be excepted into the family. Lots of respect to her family is required for this to work my friend! :angel:
Ming Zhi,Paul
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Thanks for the advice from everyone... Everything that you people said made sense
But I'm afraid there IS no way back, I received this from Ke Ren this morning....
Rob
It has been like the most darkest days in my life, I felt the stress which never been in my life before, I think of your hurt heart, I feel more hurt, It's late to explain everything to you, Rob, my heart is bleeding at this time, do you know ? But I have to make the final decision , everyting you did and said touched my heart, I never lose you, Rob, I didn't tell you your height would be a problem in our relationship because I don't want to lose you for any reason, and I did afraid you will run to another woman if I tell you about that problem, I thought my family could accept that truth when they knows you for some longer time, I kept tell them how nice you are, and how wonderful you are, but everything didn't happend like I expected , I don't want to hurt you, Rob, I never think things would happend like this , I regret not to tell you early, my dad talked a lot to me again, Rob, you know, there is less man has the same height as you in China, my dad and other family relatives care about " face" very much in China, that is the thing make me feel hurt also, I love you, but I can't choose my own love because of this culture in China, I am not a lonely person, so I have to concern about other's feelings, Rob, some words from my families is hard to listen to , and hard to tell you, we have both invested so much, Rob, but when the emotion face to the reality, everything seemed so cruel, Rob, I can't fight against the families, I can't keep this from you anymore , a million sorry will be useless now, I don't know how to express my feelings because I feel what you feel, but we have no way to go, I could not be the daugher don't care about my dad , I could not leave him for my own love, he has raised me hardly and think for me always, I feel sad, sad and sad ...........................
The things which you send to me, I will send back to you, the pounds and the present you send to me and peter this time , Rob, I will never forgot you, you are such a wonderful man. It's my loss for losing you, but I have no way to go, Rob, I don't expect you will forgive me, because I know how hurt you would be, I just hope you will find someone who has no concerns about other things, you are a good man, you deserve to have a good woman , I send all my sincere best wishes to you . Rob, good luck in the future, forget Kathy .
Don't respond, Rob, I have made this decision, and I have to give my family an explain .
Kathy
So will you please change me back to single...
Rob
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Rob mate
I absolutely dont know what to say to you about this....its an abomination. !!
I feel for you...truly
DavidE
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Rob,
I am grieving for your situation.
Shaun
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What a sad, sad, sad news.... :icon_confused::s
all i can say is that I feel for you too, Rob .
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Dear Rob,
shocking, irresponsible and cruel, just three words that spring to mind. Whatever her intentions were, the damage is criminal. A year of your life. Fine words butter no parsnips, as the saying goes. In the exchange of 280 letters, she needed to discuss her main worry, which she KNEW was potentially relationship-breaking. To not do that is, at best, irresponsible, and, at worst, cruel. Get her to refund 280 EMFs. You don't deserve to be treated like this. How dare she close the door on you, not even allowing for the possibility of discussion. Family loyalty is one thing, but this is the final insult.
I sincerely hope you can dust yourself off and find an HONEST woman, whose relationship is more important to her than the ignorant opinions of family members.
Rant over!
pm me if you want to talk
Alex
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I agree that for sure... you can ask CHNLOVE to be refunded for the 280 EMF's by saying what happened to you...
As honest and sincere as you are, CHNLOVE should "regulate" that refund wihout any problems...
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Rob i have been reading your posts and i have been so happy for you rob and now this dont think anyone seen this comeing bud so sorry for you mate i really do feel for you rob,bit lost she could not evevin try to work on her dad lets face it us dads are allways the same about are girls but im sure once he got to know you the hight thing would not matter.All this time and she not told him how tall you are anyways what the hell has anything got to do with your bloody hight i know things are diffrent over there but come on,sorry rob dont mean to go on but would of thought your hight would be the last thing he have to worry about,anyways rob my hart go,s out to you rob try to keep that chin of yours up mate take care.
all the best vic.
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So sorry to hear that Rob. Keep the chin up, you will have a great adventure in China when you go and you will get over this and I have no doubt that you will meet another lady when you are there.
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Rob,
I'm really shocked and surprised at Ke ren's latest letter. I have some mixed feelings on some of the things she wrote in it too, like '' I'm not a lonely person'' ....Really!!!, so why did she find it necessary to pay a substantial amount of money to join a marriage agency??? I have no idea what she meant by ''I can't choose my own love'' and then blaming the Chinese culture, that's just bullshit, ....the same as the Face thing she brought up. I just have this feeling, that something is isn't right here. I don't think your going to get to the bottom of this until you go out to China, and visit this agency she's with, you might get some answers from them that your not getting from Ke ren.
What Alex said above, i whole-hearty agree with in it's entirety, ...this is totally shocking, irresponsible and cruel, what Ke ren has done.....
I'm going to get Lucy to read this letter from Ke ren later when she gets home, see what see has to say about this last letter.... So i'm not going to say anymore here, until she has read this letter, and tells me her feelings on it....
I feel for you Rob, i really DO!!
David......
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My question would be like this one :
"is there any way to say that Rob has just been scammed all the time by Ke ren ???"
Sorry, I don't want to offend Rob, for sure, I would never do, but I really don't understand, as many other Brothers here, how can it end like that... and for sure... the words used are not good at all...
Well...:huh:
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No problem Sly or others who may feel that this was a scam...Me... I don't believe it was..
I think I am too nice for my own good...
I done what alex suggested and sent a LONG letter to Chnlove... And I have had a reply telling me it has been sent to refund department...
If It's not a scam, I don't want to hurt her anymore than she 'probably' feels already, but I 'felt' this was something I had to do.
So now it's in there hands, my profile has been 'unhidden and refreshed' also the introduction has been rewritten explaining I'm going there in November and looking etc.
Guy's I feel that this is somewhat my own fault.
I had her phone number, she would not answer after once or twice...
Same with Yahoo address...
No Contact through SKYPE or WEB CAM
The signs were there...I just did not read them...
If I'm back in the UK, I will be MAKING SURE THESE THINGS ARE IN PLACE or they get booted to the sidelines..
I HAVE LEARNED, BELIEVE ME I HAVE...
Posted after Robert posted..
I sent her a final letter, telling her I was still coming and if she wanted to meet up for a coffee, that would be nice...
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Rob , play it cool , just send back a nice note , saying that all is okay , but could you meet for lunch when you arrive , as friends , even though the stable door might be closed , she maybe of help to you there , if you are still heading for her city , just my 2 pennies worth .
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Well. i agree that for 11 months, it seems anyway "strange" that you never had any webcam discussion with Keren, nor via phone...
Rob, maybe wasn't it "scam" at first... but I think that now, maybe should we stop talking about it.
We can also wish that CHNLOVE can "agree" to refund you all the credits you have paid... because I think anyway that it is more than 500 $, right?? so it is not "nothing", nor "just a few money"...
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Words can not describe how I feel for you Rob . I pretty much took that Journey of your's for the entire 11 month's and felt this was a Relationship like my very own . I can not see or believe one can close a Door on the other in this way . I'm so sorry . It show how hard it is to find True Love , where nothing ... of such sorts ...matter's . The Sun will shine each time after the Storm , remember .
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Rob, Sorry but I am pissed off and I have to write this without cursing? She knew there was a problem and let things keep going along. that's not right. It's as if she was lying all this time. One of the first women I wrote did almost the same thing to me. After writing for about 11 months she happen to tell me another had been writing and she cared for him more? Well thanks allot you #&*#*#__#*&(*!.
I brushed myself off and restarted. Then I found Song. Do the same (but your not getting my Song)
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Rob, Sorry but I am pissed off and I have to write this without cursing? She knew there was a problem and let things keep going along. that's not right. It's as if she was lying all this time. One of the first women I wrote did almost the same thing to me. After writing for about 11 months she happen to tell me another had been writing and she cared for him more? Well thanks allot you #&*#*#__#*&(*!.
I brushed myself off and restarted. Then I found Song. Do the same (but your not getting my Song)
Already done mate sent out a couple of feelers...
Not exactly letting the grass grow am I???
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Rob,
My wife and I just read the last letter Ke Ren sent you...we are in complete disbelief! You are a good man and you deserve a good woman! You are doing the right thing! You will find a great and true woman/lady!!! Our hearts go to you bro! We only wish you the best!
My wife just sent this to me on QQ: ?????????????????????????????
Dear! In fact, two people are truly in love would not mind him (her) appearance of the.
Karen's family should not be concerned about your appearance, they should be happy of the love you give her!
I'm going to read the rest of your thread now...we just wanted to post this for you!
Jim & Zhong!
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Yeah I'm not sure what appearance has got to do with the value of a man, especially over here. They're looking for men who are caring, honest and reliable, not Brad Pitt. I'm only 5"6' and it hasn't stopped me doing enough stuff to fit into 3 lifetimes.
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Rob,
I feel for you, I'm really sorry ...
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Rob what can I say that hasn't ben said already.I thought that was mean and low down what the women did.You deserve allot better then this.Keep your head up.And make the trip.I think you will be surprised what you will find in China.
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This is for Rob .
I feel our Forum should stand up for one of our Member's , the way we never did . I feel a Love like Rob and KeRen share can be safed if Rob agree's to it . Knowing KeRen love's him , but has her hands tied by her Father . I suggest all of us here and I will be the first one through Chnlove send KeRen a letter to show how we are behind their Relationship and will not let it end on such a note . She can show all of them to her Father ... that we by no means are letting this get wasted do to a Height problem , that he does not like . Does he not care for her Daughter to be happy with the one SHE loves . All Rob needs to do is give as the ID number and I will write one tonight ... as I just bought 20 Credit's . I use them all if I have to . 11 month's are not going to waste without a fight and he will not shake us all off like he did a " Short Man " saying even Chinese Men are taller . Our letter's will open his Eyes and KeRens also , seeing what she was ready to throw away .
Well I'm ready to write my letter ... if I could have her Chnlove number please Rob and don't tell me NO . You also not giving up that easy ... are you ?
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This is for Rob .
I feel our Forum should stand up for one of our Member's , the way we never did . I feel a Love like Rob and KeRen share can be safed if Rob agree's to it . Knowing KeRen love's , him but has her hands tied by her Father . I suggest all of us here and I will be the first one throung Chnlove send KeRen a letter to show how we are behind their Relationship and will not let it end on such a note . She can show all of them to her Father ... that we by no means are letting this get wasted do to a Height problem , that he does not like . Does he not care for her Daughter to be happy with the one SHE loves . All Rob needs to do is give as the ID number and I will write one tonight ... as I just bought 20 Credit's . I use them all if I have to . 11 month's are not going to waste without a fight and he will not shake us all off like he did a " Short Man " saying even Chinese Men are taller . Our letter's will open his Eyes and KeRens also , seeing what she was ready to throw away .
Well I'm ready to write my letter ... if I could have her Chnlove number please Rob and don't tell me NO . You also not giving up that easy ... are you ?
I have a few sitting on there never to be used...so I will send if info is given! :icon_biggrin:
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Thanks bigbutt ... I'm certain this can help .
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Count me in...one for Rob !!
DavidE
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yeah, really. I have credits I'll never spend again too.
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Thanks to you David also , I feel we CAN make a difference with as many letter's of joining this last effort to save Rob's and KeRen's relationship . I just can not see all those lovely letter's that we had the pleasure of sharing with him , go down the drain .
We are 260 strong ... 5 - 10 is not going to do it . We need number's .
Neil , same to you ... thanks .
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Greetings Brothers,
Rob, first to you my friend please accept both Zhens and my heartfelt sorrow on this sad day.
Ok now that that is done lets talk. I am as you know quite often of a different mind that others here on how I see things and how to approach things and guess what? Here I go again. Here is my read on this.
Ke Ren is abviously being pressured by Dad and maybe other family to end the relationship and so she has said what she said to end it quickly. However what I see in her letter is a woman fighting between her love for her husband and her love for her family. I would not give it up if I were you. Assuming that you feel what you both shared was real then I would be inclined to go over as planned and try to get her to meet you and see what can be done face to face.
Never mind how long its been or how many letters. What counts now is how you feel for her and how she feels for you. If you love her and she loves you then dammit fight for her. to me its that simple. Go fight for the woman you love or.....
Family can be won over even in China. It will take work but as has been said if both you and Ke Ren are working together then it can be done. Dont try to buy their approval with gifts and such but rather buy their approval by the genuine display of love between you and Ke ren. As has been said she has zero chance of marrying within her culture and countrymen and Dad has to know this. The family has to know this. So is he basically relegating her to a lonely single life because he has an issue with your height? What kind of father would do that to his daughter?
Me I think he is just upset that the height thing is there and is scared that she will leave the country and leave the family. I dont know how many brothers and sisters she has and what kind of relationship she had with Dad but that may also be part of this. Also he must realize that his relationship with her will never be the same if he forces her to give up on you.
So my advice is go as planned get her to meet you and find out if your love is real from both of you. If it is then agree together how to win this fight and then get it done. Meet the father by himself if you have to and take a translator with you. Dont worry about face (yours not his) but lay it on the line for him and get him to lay out all the issues or problems etc that he may have with you marrying his daughter. Be cool and calm and articulate. Make sure your translator is a good one and faithfully translates both ways. Make sure Ke Ren sits beside you and you hold her hand or touch her shoulder or hand etc in little displays of love and affection. Show him the depth and truth of your love for each other and you will win the day. Any kind of loving father wants what is best for his daughter especially as neither of you are exactly kids in life.
If he really thinks Ke Ren is going to go look for another man if she really and truly loves you then he is mistaken and so he needs to have that in his face also. Ask him flat out what he wants for his daughter and show him you are the man to give her exactly what she is looking for and more.
So in summary Rob, get over the hurt get on the plane get with Ke Ren and get this figured out between you both. Then get with the dad and get him to explain all the issues and the get them resolved in your favour. Go get it done.
Sincerely,
Zhen and Brian
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Whatever happens, Arnold's idea is very nice and I agree with it.
So, for sure, I'll help too.
Count me in !!!!
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Thanks to you David also , I feel we CAN make a difference with as many letter's of joining this last effort to save Rob's and KeRen's relationship . I just can not see all those lovely letter's that we had the pleasure of sharing with him , go down the drain .
We are 260 strong ... 5 - 10 is not going to do it . We need number's .
Neil , same to you ... thanks .
Arnold I am more than willing to do this for Rob also but read my post first.
Zhen and Brian
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First of all...
I want to say thank you to all your responses, if it wasn't for your continued support on a few things..not just this hiccup...I am sure I would have fell by the wayside. With that support and Celtic drive that's inbuilt in me it has 'drove' me on, to be the best I can be, so thanks guys.
I read through the shout box (bloody hell 10 pages) lol and thought this is why this place is a great site to be proud of.
I know what your trying to do for me arnold and I appreciate this (would I ever say no to you lol) very very much. You remember on the old facebook this happened to me before with Ms Yan Gao. I tried with her father then, writing letters to him and it did not work. Although this relationship/correspondence call it what you will has been so much longer.
I am quite willing for you to organise this and do what you have to for me, so here is Ke Rens id number P656032, her name is Ke Ren (English name Kathy) Wang. Her fathers name is Wang Wang.
Ke Ren told her family about me, she just did not tell them my height, except her mother.
So the only thing left I can say is thank you guys and the best of luck...
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Ok now that that is done lets talk. I am as you know quite often of a different mind that others here on how I see things and how to approach things and guess what? Here I go again. Here is my read on this.
Zhen and Brian
I am not disagreeing with your opinion Brian, but I think the timing is more critical than your solution allows for. I think Rob has to make a move NOW to keep things warm and not let the time between now and his trip allow the situation to get cold.
Of course, when he is over there, he can and will do all the things you suggest...but for today, he needs to make some contact to leave the door open, so to speak.
I think we should all try to write to her or Father to achieve this objective....if we can keep it all alive, then he can do the face-to-face, which I am sure he can do very well without us !!!
I dont think there is any doubt as to feelings here...not from what i learn from Rob anyway...what has got in the way is something external to feelings...and which should be dealt with quickly ?/
Just my opinion
ps...my letter to her has already been sent...it would melt concrete and bring a tear to the hardest eye !!!!!
DavidE
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yeah, really. I have credits I'll never spend again too.
Same here !!!!!!
Her father would rather Kathy have a short man with character ... than a tall man without character.
Arnold & Scottish Rob ... How do you want us to approach this matter ??? :icon_cool:
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Count me in too!
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Thanks again guys...:blush:
I would like arnold to decide which way would be best in his eyes.
I thought maybe a regimental letter of sorts, but then thought...No...if it was me writing I would prefare to write about how I knew the person showing their little quirks and humour etc...Just my thoughts on it
It goes without saying that SHOULD WE get some sort of result, then I will give it my all to WIN him over...
Can I also ask some one to start a thread showing the letters that was sent please... It's just that I am a right NOSEY BUGGER....lol:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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I've got seven credits left ! Sounds like a good cause to me!:icon_cheesygrin:
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I've got seven credits left ! Sounds like a good cause to me!:icon_cheesygrin:
LOL...this is how many I have! If needed I will use all the credits to help our bro! You are a good man Rob! I will be more than willing to send Kathy seven EMF's to help! Just give me some direction and I will be writing ASAP!!! :icon_biggrin: I hope, with our help, Kathy will understand how lucky she is, with your love!
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Here Guy's , I 'm writing to KeRen to show her what a great Friend ROB is and what a BIG mistake she would make letting this Love fade away without have given him a chance show what kind and caring Man Rob is ...in Person . He has many Friends here from all over the world and we know the Gentleman he is and how BIG his character and his Love is for you KeRen . Make her realize what a mistake she will make to let it go and this she will/can show to her Dad .
Well , I'm writing mine now . Hope it will hit home ... so to speak .
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Ok now that that is done lets talk. I am as you know quite often of a different mind that others here on how I see things and how to approach things and guess what? Here I go again. Here is my read on this.
Zhen and Brian
I am not disagreeing with your opinion Brian, but I think the timing is more critical than your solution allows for. I think Rob has to make a move NOW to keep things warm and not let the time between now and his trip allow the situation to get cold.
Of course, when he is over there, he can and will do all the things you suggest...but for today, he needs to make some contact to leave the door open, so to speak.
I think we should all try to write to her or Father to achieve this objective....if we can keep it all alive, then he can do the face-to-face, which I am sure he can do very well without us !!!
I dont think there is any doubt as to feelings here...not from what i learn from Rob anyway...what has got in the way is something external to feelings...and which should be dealt with quickly ?/
Just my opinion
ps...my letter to her has already been sent...it would melt concrete and bring a tear to the hardest eye !!!!!
DavidE
David I fully agree that something must be done now. Time is definitely of the essence. I think this letter flood will not only melt Ke Ren's heart and show her what a true and loving man she has in Rob but also at least for that one agency show them that we mean business when we do things.
All I really want is to see Rob and Ke Ren married. How they get there is irrelevant as long as they get there. Once married I am sure the father will welcome Rob with wide open arms and treat him well.
Regards,
Zhen and Brian
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For those that have not seen the new Thread ( EMF's send to KeRen ) it's also under The Campfire Forums .
I have posted my Letter there , I also think along with Brain ... that a flood of these kind of letter's will melt anybody's Heart . I had to put an Ice bag on my Chest while writing . :icon_cheesygrin:
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Oh so we shoot?
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Mods please close this thread too...Thank you
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thread closed