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« on: September 21, 2009, 11:29:32 pm »
This thread arose from a suggestion that a greater appreciation of Chinese achievements in this field might not go unappreciated by the fair damsels we are courting....

I spent time in Shenzhen watching multiple TV feeds... there was a lot of emphasis on Chinese history, and technical and scientific achievements.
So it behoves us to know a little of that as well :icon_cool:
Early on my nearest and dearest also pointed out that the Chinese invented the siesmograph.....
...but she didn't understand it when I said they would probably need one once I got over there :heart:

Much of what follows comes from Joseph Needham's pioneering work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Needham
or the chinese version
(Navigate down to the bottom of the language section on the above (Cant seem to get Mandarin showing here))

More in the next post :icon_biggrin: I may also post some of the philosophical stuff here as well

Chinese Inventions and Discoveries, with dates of first mention.
From ‘Science and Civilisation in China Vol VII, Part 2 –
Joseph Needham 1993


Abacus                                           AD 190
Acupuncture                                   580 BC
Advisory vessels                                   3rd Century BC
Air-conditioning fan                           AD 180
Alcohol made from grain by a special fermentation process   15th Century BC
Algorithm  for extraction of square and
cube roots                                           1st Century AD
Anatomy                                           11th Century AD
Anchor, nonfouling, stockless           1st Century AD
Anemometer                                   3rd Century AD
Antimalarial drugs                                   3rd Century BC
Arcuballista, multiple-bolt                   320 BC
Arcuballista, multiple-spring                   5th Century AD
Asbestos woven into cloth                   3rd Century BC
Astronomical clock drive                   AD 120
Axial rudder                                   1st Century AD
Ball bearings                                   2nd Century BC
Balloon principle                                   2nd Century BC
Bean curd                                           AD   100
Bell pottery   
Bellows, double-acting piston-tuned bronze    6th Century BC
Belt drive                                           5th Century BC
Beriberi, recognition of                           AD I330
Blast furnace                                   3rd Century BC
Blood, d1stinction between arterial and venous   2nd Century BC
Blood, theory of circulation                   2nd Century BC
Boats and ships, paddle-wheel           AD 4I8
Bomb, cast-iron                                   AD 1221
Bomb, thrown from a trebuchet           AD 1161
Book, printed, first to be dated           AD 868
Book, scientific, printed                   AD 847
Bookcase, vertical axis                           AD 544
Bookworm repellent   
Bowl, bronze water-spouting                   3rd Century BC
Bread, steamed   
Bndges, releasable                           4th Century BC
Bndges, iron-chaín suspension           6th Century AD
Bridges, Li Chhun's segmental arch           AD 610
Bronze, high tin, for mirror production   
Bronze rainbow teng (camphor still)   1st Century BC
Calipers                                           AD 9
Camera obscura,  explanation of           AD 1086
"Cardan" suspension                           40 BC
Cast iron                                           5th Century BC
Cast iron malleable                           4th Century BC
Cereals, preservation of stored           1st Century BC
Chain drive                                           AD976
Chess                                                   4th Century BC
Chimes, stone                                   9th Century BC
Chopsticks                                           600 BC
Clocks, sand                                   AD 1370
Clocks, Su Sung's                                   AD 1088
Clockwork escapement of Yi Xing and
Liang Lingzan                                   AD725
Coal, as a fuel                                   1st Century AD
Coal, dust, briquettes from                   1st Century AD
Coinage                                           9th Century BC
Collapsible umbrella and other items   5th Century BC
Comet tails, observation of direction of   AD 635
Compass, floating fish                           AD I027
Compass, magnetic needle                   AD 1088
Compass, magnetic, used for navigation   AD 1111
Cooking pots, heat economy in           3rd millennium BC
Crank handle                                   1st Century BC
Crop rotation                                   6th Century BC
Crossbow                                           5th Century BC
crossbow, bronze triggers                   300 BC
crossbow, grid sight for                   1st Century AD
crossbow, magazine                           13th Century AD
Dating of trees by number of rings           12th Century AD
Decimal place value                           13th Century BC
Deep drilling and use of natural gas as fuel           2nd Century BC
Diabetes, association with sweet and fatty foods        1st Century BC
Dial and pointer                                   3rd Century AD
Differential pressure   
Disease, diurnal rhythms in                   2nd Century BC
Diseases, deficiency                           3rd Century AD
Dishing of carriage wheel   
Distillation, of mercury                           3rd Century BC
Dominoes                                           AD 1120
Downdraft                                           1st Century BC
Dragon kiln                                           2nd Century AD
Draw loom                                           1st Century AD
Drum carriage                                   110 BC
Diked / poldered fields                           1st Century BC
Ephedrine                                           2nd Century AD
Equal temperament, mathematical formulation of   AD 1584
Equilibrium, theory of                           4th Century BC
Erosion and sedimentary deposition, knowledge of           AD 1070
Esculent1st movement (edible plants for time of famine)   AD 1406
Ever-normal granary system                   AD 9
Fertilizers                                           2nd Century BC
Firecrackers                                    AD290
Firelance                                           AD950
Flame test   
Flamethrower (double-acting force pump for liquids)   AD9I9
Folding chairs                                   3rd Century AD
Free reed                                           1000 BC
Fumigation                                           7th Century BC
Furnace, reverberatory                           1 st Century BC
Gabions                                           3rd Century BC
Gauges, rain and snow                           AD 1247
Gear wheels, chevron-toothed           AD 50
Ginning machine, hand-cranked, and treadle   17th Century AD
Gluten from wheat                           AD 530
Gold, purple sheen                           200 BC
Grafting                                           AD 806
Gravimetry                                           AD 7I2
Great Wall of China                           3rd Century BC
Grid technique, quantitative, used in cartography   AD 130
Cuan xien system                                   240 BC
Gunpowder, formula for                   9th Century AD
Gunpowder, firecracker and firevvorks   12th Century AD
Gunpowder, government’s department and monopoly on   14th Century AD
Gunpowder, used in mining   Ming
Handcarts                                           681 BC
Handgun                                           AD 1128
Harness, breast strap                           250 BC
Harness, collar                                   AD 477
Helicopter top                                   AD 320
High temperatures, firing of clay at   2nd millennium BC
Hodometer                                           110 BC
Holing-irons                                           AD 584
"Hot streak" test                                   AD 1596
Hygrometer                                   120 BC
Indeterminate analysis                           4th Century AD
Interconversion of longitudinal and rotary motion   AD 31
Kite                                                   4th Century BC
Knife, rotary disk, for cutting jade           12th Century AD
Lacquer                                           13th Century BC
Ladders, extendable                           4th Century BC
Leeboards and centerboards                   AD75I
Lodestone, south-pointing ladle           AD83
Magic mirrors                                   5th Century AD
Magic squares                                   AD 190
Magnetic declination noted                   AD 1040
Magnetic thermoremanence and induction   AD 1044
Magnetic variation observed                   AD 1436
Magnetism, used in medicine                   AD970
Malt sugar, production of                   1st millennium BC
Mangonel                                           4th Century BC
Maps, relief                                           AD 1086
Maps, topographical                           3rd Century BC
Masts, multiple                                   3rd Century AD
Matches (nonstriking)                           AD577
Melodic composition                           AD475
Metal amalgams used to fill cavities           AD659
Metals, to oxides, burning of                   5th Century BC
Metals, densities of                           3rd Century AD
Mill, wagon                                           AD340
Mills, edge-runner                           200 BC
Mills, edge-runner, water-power applied   4th Century AD
Mining, square sets for                           5th Century BC
Mining, differential pressure ventilation   5th Century BC
Mirror with "light penetration surface"   11th Century BC
Mold board                                           2nd Century BC
Mountings, vertical and horizontal           1st Century AD
Mouth-organs                                   9th Century BC
Moxibustion                                  3rd Century BC
Multiple-spindle silk-tw1sting frame           AD 1313
Negative numbers, operations using   1st Century AD
Noodles (filamentous) including bread   AD 100
Nova, recorded observation of           13th Century BC
Numerical equations of higher order,solution of   3th Century AD
Oil lamps, economic                           9th Century AD
Paktong (cupronickel)                           AD230
Paper (invention of)                           300 BC
Paper, money                                   9th Century AD
Paper, toilet                                   AD589
Paper, wall                                           16th Century AD
Paper, wrapping                                   2nd Century BC
Parachute principle                           8th Century AD
"Pascal" triangle of binomial coefficients   AD 11OO
Pasteurization of wine                           AD 1117
Pearl fishing conservancy                   2nd Century AD
Pearls in oysters, artificial induction of   AD 1086
"Pi," accurate estimation of                   3rd Century AD
Piece molding for casting bronze           2nd millennium BC
Place-value number system                   13th Century BC
Placenta used as source of estrogen   AD 725
Planispheres                                   AD 940
Plant protection, biological                   AD 304
Planting in rows                                   3rd Century BC
Playing cards                                   AD 969
Polar-equatorial coordinates                   1st Century BC
Polar-equatorial mounting of astronomical instruments    AD 1270
Porcelain                                            3rd Century BC
Potassium, flame-test used in identifying   3rd Century AD
Pound-lock canal gates                           AD 984
Preservation of corpses                           166 BC
Printing, bronze type                           AD 1403
Printing, movable earthenware type on paper   11th Century AD
Printing, multicolor                           12th Century AD
Printing, with woodblocks                   7th Century AD
Propeller oar, self-feathering                   AD 1OO
Prospecting, biogeochemical                   6th Century AD
Prospecting, geological                           4th Century BC
Qin and se zither   
Recording of sun halves, parhelic specters, and Lowitz arcs   AD635
Reel on fishing rod                           3rd Century AD
Refraction                                           4th Century BC
Rocket arrow                                   13th Century AD
Rocket arrow launchers                   AD 1367
Rocket arrows, winged                           AD 1360
Rockets, two-stage                           AD 1360
Roller-harrows                                   AD880
Rotary ballista                                   AD240
Rotary fan                                           1st Century BC
Sailing carriage                                   16th Century AD
Sails, mat and batten                           1st Century AD
Salvage, underwater                           AD 1064
Seawalls                                           AD80
Seed, pretreatment of                           1st Century BC
Seed drill, multiple-tube                   AD 155
"Seedling horse"                                   11th Century AD
Seismograph                                   AD 132
Ships, construction principle of           1st Century BC
Ships, paddle-wheel                           5th Century AD
Silk, earliest spinning of                           2850 BC
Silk reeling machine                           AD 1090
Silk warp doubling and throwing frame   10 th Century AD
Sluices                                           3rd Century BC
Sluices, riffles added to                           11th Century AD
Smallpox, inoculation against                   10th Century AD
Smokescreens                                   AD 178
Snow crystals, six-sided symmetry of   135 BC
Soil science (ecology)                           5th Century BC
South-pointing carriage                           AD 120
Soybean, fermented                           200 BC
Sprouts, for medicinal and nutritional purposes    2nd Century BC
Spindle wheel                                   15th Century BC
Spindle wheel, multiple spindle           11th Century AD
Spindle wheel, treadle-operated           1st Century AD
Spooling frame                                   AD 1313
Square pallet chain pump                   AD 186
Stalactites and stalagmites, records of    4th Century BC
Stars, proper motion of                   AD 725
Steamers, pottery                           5th millennium BC
Steel production, cofusion method of    6th Century AD
Sterilization by steaming                   AD 980
Steroids, urinary                                   AD 1025
Still, Chinese-type                           7th Century AD
Stirrup                                           AD 300
Stringed instruments                           9th Century BC
Tea, as drink                                   2nd Century BC
Thyroid treatment   
Tian yuan algebraic notation   AD 1248
Tilt-hammer, water-powered spoon   AD 1145
Toothbrush   9th Century AD
Trebuchet (simple)   4th Century BC
Trip hammers    2nd Century BC
Tri hammers, water-powered   AD 20
vinegar    2nd Century BC
Watermills, geared   3rd Century AD
Waterwheel, horizontal   AD 31
Weather vane   120 BC
Wet copper method   11th Century AD
Wheelbarrow, centrally mounted   30 BC
Wheelbarrow, with sails   6th Century AD-
Windlass, well   120 BC
Windows, revolving   5th Century BC
Winnowing machine   1st Century BC
Wu Tong black palatinated copper   15th Century AD
Zoetrope __   AD 180
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2009, 03:14:01 am »
Publishers Blurb:
The seventeenth-century philosopher-statesman Francis Bacon famously declared that nothing had changed the world more profoundly than three great discoveries: printing, gunpowder and the compass. What he didn't know was that all three had already been conceived of and successfully employed by a single people, living on the far side of the globe, long before the West ever 'invented' them. And yet it was not until more than three hundred years later, in a young scientist's study in Cambridge, that one remarkable man set out to give these people the credit they rightly deserved.

Joseph Needham was a keenly intelligent, charismatic young biochemist, working towards a glittering career at Cambridge, when he fell in love with a young Chinese student. His passion for his mistress quickly led to a fascination with her country's language and history, and he soon developed an astonishing reputation as a self-taught, albeit eccentric, scholar of Chinese culture. When, in 1943, the British government sent him on a diplomatic mission to help save China's universities from the occupying Japanese forces, he began the research that would occupy him for the rest of his life and which would one day lead him to write the greatest work on China ever created in the Western World.

Needham's twenty-four-volume masterpiece, Science and Civilization in China, remains an unrivalled account of the nation's astonishing history of invention and technology: from blast furnaces and suspension bridges, to the game of chess and the first toilet paper. In Bomb, Book and Compass, Simon Winchester tells the story of this man, his book, the passion that inspired it - and the extraordinary rise of the Chinese nation that continues to this day.

Author: Winchester Simon Published: 30 Jun 2008 ISBN 13: 9780670913794
ISBN 10: 0670913790
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2009, 08:05:21 am »
Well, what have they done for us lately?
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2009, 08:11:13 am »
I showed my son and future daughter in law your list David.  They were ASTOUNDED, they did not realise how much that was invented by them...I think that 'we' as Westerners are not 'really taught' in school just how much has been invented by the East...

Each country I'm sure, usually only focus on what 'their' countrymen have invented...  maybe if this was pointed out and elaborated on withing the schools system then it would give 'Westerners' more knowledge about the East etc

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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2009, 12:59:26 pm »
Quote from: 'JimB' pid='18245' dateline='1254053121'

Well, what have they done for us lately?


Affordable consumer products? Free Tibet? :D
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2009, 11:45:45 am »
Greetings Brothers,

What have they done for us lately?

Well how about some of the most beautiful loving wonderful and available ladies on the planet?  Thats a pretty great thing they have done at least for me heheh.

Regards,

Zhen and Brian

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2009, 10:16:18 am »
Quote from: 'Brian Mc' pid='18903' dateline='1254671145'

Greetings Brothers,

What have they done for us lately?

Well how about some of the most beautiful loving wonderful and available ladies on the planet?  Thats a pretty great thing they have done at least for me heheh.

Regards,

Zhen and Brian



WELL SAID, Brian!!!

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2009, 05:32:16 pm »
Hi Rob and Brothers all

I've attached the inventions list as a WORD table - it looks more impressive printed out, and the edit box here does not seem to allow HTML Tables :-)

As to what China has done for me lately, see attached :-) , and
also the GIF file that, when left clicked, shows what some of her ancestors got up to......

There is a 5000 year history of the desire for an ordered society in China, and it behoves us well to at least consider the richness and foresight of those attempts.
Our lovely ladies are often reminded of this history on China TV; to be unaware of it as a westerner is sometimes considered to be a touch unevolved :-)

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2009, 05:47:34 pm »
Dont want to rain on your parade...but it is possible that your list has some discrepancies David

For instance...Item 1...abacus:

Julius Caesar was expert in the use of the abacus....the account of this was described by the Roman Historian Sallust in 55 BC. He commented on Caesars ability to exactly calculate the division of the financial spoils of his Gallic campaign between his Officers, Legates, Centurions and Soldiers....using his abacus with more speed than any other General !!!

mmmmmm ???

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2009, 05:49:39 pm »
Add on spaghetti,that was done in china well before the italy claimed it as there's.

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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2009, 05:54:01 pm »
Hum... Wikipedia says 1 century BC for romans use and 2 nd century BCE for China. Does the E in BCE mean estimate?
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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2009, 05:59:59 pm »
Stuart, The Chinese gave Marco Polo noodles. Italy made Spaghetti and other types of there own version of noodles. :icon_razz:

David K what did you attach? Photos? .jpg's?
BCE - Before the Common Era (used of dates before the Christian era, esp. by non-Christians).
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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2009, 07:45:34 pm »
Quote from: 'Vince G' pid='19631' dateline='1255211999'

Stuart, The Chinese gave Marco Polo noodles. Italy made Spaghetti and other types of there own version of noodles. :icon_razz:

David K what did you attach? Photos? .jpg's?

BCE - Before the Common Era (used of dates before the Christian era, esp. by non-Christians).


One WORD (.DOC) file, and two JPGs  :-)
Quote from: 'David E' pid='19628' dateline='1255211254'

Dont want to rain on your parade...but it is possible that your list has some discrepancies David

For instance...Item 1...abacus:

Julius Caesar was expert in the use of the abacus....the account of this was described by the Roman Historian Sallust in 55 BC. He commented on Caesars ability to exactly calculate the division of the financial spoils of his Gallic campaign between his Officers, Legates, Centurions and Soldiers....using his abacus with more speed than any other General !!!

mmmmmm ???

DavidE



Actually, the list makes no claims that any of these things were FIRST invented in China (eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbacus ) but arose out of the work of Joseph Needham who was in China at around the time of WW2, and discovered a history of innovation (eg compass, paper, innoculation against smallpox) unappreciated by the West at that time  :-). Needhams question was why this tradition of innovation stopped around 17th Century BCE. Some folks think it was because it became more fashionable to administrate than innovate :-)

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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2009, 11:55:33 pm »
Some of those listed (Chinese Inventions) aren't right. I think Needham just wrote everything he can find down?
For instance:

Decimal place value  13th Century BC  Ah? Then why does it have a Latin Name?

Clocks, sand   AD 1370 ??

Coinage   9th Century BC  I know the Romans and even before them had coins

And what the hell is this?

Magic mirrors   5th Century AD
Magic squares   AD 190
I use Wikipedia all the time. BUT you need to know it's not 100% correct in many things so don't count on it being so. Anyone can add or change definitions, etc on any subject there.
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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2009, 12:00:12 am »
I can answer one of them magic squares thats where they copied the idea in the united states and made it hollywood sqaures.
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