Having some doubts...about site and lady

[Lain]

Rocky,

No, .... it hasn't changed to any noticeable degree, except for the teeth that is!! ...haha!!!  You know, that many of the problems of the brown to yellowish stains on their teeth were cause by them being given the then new Tetracycline antibiotic before the age of 7 or so. It permanently stains the enamel of growing teeth and in many cases severely weakened it.  Coupled with there love of sweet things (like sugar cane) and it was a real big problem...lol!!!  

But your right, they are you describe, and just as family originated as the Chinese ladies. In fact that is basically the norm for all of South East Asian ladies...

David....

Don't think that this is just a poor country problem with tetracycline. I too suffer from this terrible problem. As a young child I had major ear infections and was given long treatments that have left me fighting a never ending battle with dental work...and major expenses!

In the past 5 years alone I have doled out over $15,000 in dental work and what pisses me off to no end is that here in the US...its considered all "cosmetic" and IS NOT COVERED BY INSURANCE!!!

To be honest one thing that I was considering having done in China are implants which would run me about $28,000 here in the States. Much more than I am willing to pay.

Seems every country has its issues, and while China may have its pollution problems...it looks like we will have a new national oil reserve when all the water in the gulf of Mexico is replaced with oil leaking from an offshore well that appears to have been made and operated to substandard methods...Due to Corruption, Payoffs, lax regulations and any number of what I have read about China. Big industry destroys on ALL continents.

I was actually impressed to read an article about how Guangzhou (fairly sure it was there?) converted all public transportation to LPG from diesel fuel to reduce pollution in only 3 years!!...Here in the states politicians would spend that long eliciting bribes...I mean lobbying money before even making a plan that would still take 5 more years to implement and it would have a cost overrun of double the estimate.

My attitude is that I really don't care about politics, but results. Given the massive growth of China its actually amazing the entire country is not toxic to the core. And while some here may not know this, a river actually caught fire from pollution about 25 years ago. So every industrial has its pollution issues and I am sure that in time China will learn to deal with them.

[David5o]

Lain,

Yes, ....It was an unknown side affect of this antibiotic at that time, in fact it wasn't realised for a number of years after it's worldwide introduction.  It was a very affective antibiotic at the time, with very few known side affects, unfortunately not so good for children's teeth under the age of 7 or so.

The pollution problem in China is basically the result of an uncaring local and national government coupled with ignorance and more recently to widespread corruption and casting a blind eye to problems that are going to cost serious, serious money to put anywhere near right.

It will eventually improve substantially, but i very much doubt in our lifetimes, and the cost will just keep rising. They say that if they were to stop everything right now, and just concentrate on cleaning up the existing pollution. it will take at least 10 years and leave China virtually bankrupt with more loans than any nation on earth. The problem is enormous, and every province is affected.

How many of Chinas massive population dies as a direct result of this pollution will probably never be known but i wouldn't mind betting, that you can count them in the hundreds of thousands to even millions on a yearly basis.....

David......

[ttwjr32]

its widespread here  (pollution) and probably wont get better anytime soon
 but it doesnt seem to bother anyone here that i have noticed. never been to
 Bejing in all these years coming here but from what i understand that is the
 worst as far as China cities

[Martin]

...but it doesnt seem to bother anyone here that i have noticed.

My wife is often telling me that one of the things she looks forward to coming to Canada, is the clean air.  They probably don't complain about it, because they have nothing to compare it to.

[ttwjr32]

good point i guess they really dont have any thing to compare to :icon_cheesygrin:

[David5o]

Martin ,Ted...

Even if they did have somewhere they could compare it too, Who are they going to complain to, ....The local government, the National government??  The truth is, ....they are stuck with the pollution for a very long time to come, and they know it all to well. It's one of the reasons they are so obsessed with staying healthy, to give themselves a fighting chance...

David.......

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[ttwjr32]

1.4 billion people could make a lot of changes if they wanted to just hope it never comes to that
or at least i dont want to be here living if it happens

[David5o]

Ted,

In maybe 50 years, possibly sooner, China will not be a Communist State. It will go the same way as Russia, and the former Eastern Block States. The problem then being, if you think China has a bad corruption problem now, just wait till they don't have a hard line Communist Government to keep things, ....let's say controlled!!!

The people there really do have a lot to worry about at the collapse of the present government system, you just have to multiply what's going on in Russia and it's ex satellite states since their collapse of Communism, to see what will happen, ....then magnify it exponentially!!!!!

David.......

[ttwjr32]

good point

[Bee964]

Martin and Ted,

National Geographic has done several articles on china in the past several months and one was on the pollution problem they are having. They do mention that the people know that there is a problem and they want it addressed now before it is too late. I think it also talks about the number of offspring each couple needs to have in a society for a society to sustain itself. (2.7 if I remember correctly) Their current policy of 1 child will not sustain their society. (I think this is for the Han chinese though?) I will try to find the issues and tell you which ones they are. But this is going way off thread here.

Dave C

[temur72]

Martin and Ted,

National Geographic has done several articles on china in the past several months and one was on the pollution problem they are having. They do mention that the people know that there is a problem and they want it addressed now before it is too late. I think it also talks about the number of offspring each couple needs to have in a society for a society to sustain itself. (2.7 if I remember correctly) Their current policy of 1 child will not sustain their society. (I think this is for the Han chinese though?) I will try to find the issues and tell you which ones they are. But this is going way off thread here.

Dave C

Most sociologists/demographers state that a society needs to have the couple have 2.1-2.3 childern each  to maintain the current population level in genera. The extra 0.1-0.3 is to make up for early deaths or those that dont/cant have childern. In Chin a the 1 child policy is being relaxed for rural families and was never strictly enforced for minority gr oups. Of course intermarriage  between minority gorups and han Chinese is a policy that China has encouraged for generations (long before the Communists took power)

Most east asian countries are below that level currently. China mostly due to the one child policy, SK and Japan out of choice by the people. Those three countries are the fast aging countries in the world (Italy might be ahead but I cant remember for sure)

[David5o]

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Well, ...If were going on to population levels and birth rates, there are opinions on both sides of the arguement. The other side of things is that, they argue that the present population is already too high and would benifit from an overall reduction. Some of the arguements for this is that there is already a situation where there are not enough jobs to go round. This can be seen every year as the collage students graduate but few ever manage to find work placements in the subjects that they read, and often have to take on meanial low paid work. Another is that of the huge migration from rural provinces to the bigger cities just to find some sort of work to help support the families needs.

I guess what these others are saying is that if the population at the present is too large, why do we want to sustain that large population, let alone increase it.

Many people here know what i think of reports/studies and surveys, .... and basically this is what were talking about here, ....studies suggesting that they need to sustain or increase the population in the future. ....Now, how many population studies have ever been anywhere near correct???  Few to none is the answer, so why would they want to risk increasing what is already an enormous population??  So i can see that the other side of the arguement has some valid points too....

David.....

[temur72]

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Well, ...If were going on to population levels and birth rates, there are opinions on both sides of the arguement. The other side of things is that, they argue that the present population is already too high and would benifit from an overall reduction. Some of the arguements for this is that there is already a situation where there are not enough jobs to go round. This can be seen every year as the collage students graduate but few ever manage to find work placements in the subjects that they read, and often have to take on meanial low paid work. Another is that of the huge migration from rural provinces to the bigger cities just to find some sort of work to help support the families needs.

I guess what these others are saying is that if the population at the present is too large, why do we want to sustain that large population, let alone increase it.

Many people here know what i think of reports/studies and surveys, .... and basically this is what were talking about here, ....studies suggesting that they need to sustain or increase the population in the future. ....Now, how many population studies have ever been anywhere near correct???  Few to none is the answer, so why would they want to risk increasing what is already an enormous population??  So i can see that the other side of the arguement has some valid points too....

David.....

Personally I think the worlds population is too high, but that the one child policy is going to give China some sociological problems when the One child has two parents to support during their retirement

[shaun]

The population of the world is not too large.  Europe and Asian populations are that way.  They are landlocked.  For the life of me I do not understand why it is so difficult to get people out of China and into another nation.  All I want is 1 woman.  Of course if it were easy there would be hundreds of thousands western women living constantly on the rag.

Dang you should hear them talk behind my back.  It cracks me up.  There must be a western female lobby in DC doing what they can to prevent Chinese women from coming to the US.  It is kind of like my ex.  She wants happiness but doesn't want to do anything to get it.  A welfare mentality.  I deserve it now give it to me attitude.  %@()^&@*)#$*%&@&^*%@#

OK...  I'm done...  I feel much better now...  With one exception.  My woman is still in China... :dodgy:

[Willy The Londoner]

Well off thread now!!  Lead by whom?

Not me.:angel:

Willy