Waiting Can be Hard...

[joeswuhandream]

sorry to hear Shaun about this news 
 i should think everything will be sorted in the near future 
if only these useless idiots new the upset and hurt and pain you have had  to go through
there refusal of the visa i have never heard anything so poposterior in my life 
i wish you every success Shaun with your appeal   
good luck from all of us forum members  in England 
regards joey +Sophia

[shaun]

I am learning little bits and pieces but Peggy is devastated.  I told her she should remain in Guangzhou with her friends for one night rather than travel back home in the wee hours of the morning by train.  She is headed back as we speak.

I will get a copy of her white paper soon.  Hopefully in the morning.  If any of you think I am giving up you're wrong.  This is war.

There is more I could say but I think it is wise not to.  Hopefully I will have great news soon and Peggy in my arms.  Right now I need to comfort her and prepare for the next round.

[john1964]

Shaun and Peggy, I can imagine how devastated how you both are feeling right now, Our hearts go out to both of you, I consider myself to be a reasonably strong man but with the hoops we have to jump through to find our true love and bring them home with us sometimes is very challenging and sometimes i feel so broken,My journey has just begun with the visa process and i am feeling pressure from every where, You are right,War it is and i know you will not give up, I hope we all win our battles and come out on top, Good luck my friend, Regards from MinYing and John.

[Hajo]

Shaun,

I am sorry to read that the immigration authorities giving you so much trouble. Hopefully things can be sorted out quickly. I can only imagine the disappointment Peggy must have felt.

Hopefully you will be able to sort things out soon and Peggy will be able to join you. Good luck.

[Rhonald]

I would say it is NOT that your Government is against you, but rather that they are just for themselves. The bureaucrats who have to make the decision for granting or rejecting a visa are mainly concerned about their own job security. They rather reject or delay to ensure of not making a mistake that could cost them their job. Thus the onus is on us to provide undeniable proof. So their method will seem at times cold or calculating, as your bulletproof investment becomes easily riddled by their wholesale selfdoubt.


Godspeed my fellow traveller.

[maxx]

Mike when me and my wife were in GZ for her interview.They made the men hang out on the third floor.They didn't let us into the interviews.So we all hung out in the coffee shop on the third floor.And traded stories for a few hours.Until somebodies lady would come down and tell us what happend.Then the man and the woman would leave.And somebody else would come and set at my table.And the same thing would happen all day long till about 3:oo pm.

It used to be the woman had to speak at least some English.They had to at least answear some of the questions in English.It is not that way anymore.Now the woman can say.I would like to speak Chinese.And Gz has to conduct the interview in Mandarin.It is still a good idea to at least try to do the interview in English.If the lady doesn't understand the question.She can always ask the person doing the interview to ask the question in Chinese.It does not effect if the lady receives a visa

Also I think you guys have the wrong idea.At no point and time.Is the person doing the interview.Supposed to help the person they are interviewing.The way they treated Peggy is the way they are supposed to act.I know that is a shitty thing to post.But it is the truth.The person doing the interview is The second to last person who can stop your lady.From getting a visa.And entering the United States.So they are looking for anyway they can  to trip the lady up.If they can make her nerves or scared.Then the person doing the interview.Thinks he is doing his job.

Shaun I was in Gz setting there at the U.S. consulate waiting for my wife to come back down stairs from her interview.I was talking to a guy that filled the paperwork out himself.Just like you did.They did the same thing to this guy's wife.They got her so nervous and scared.She couldn't answear the questions in English or Chinese.And it made her look like she was lying.So she was denied a visa.Shaun I think it all came down to GZ knowing who  they can mess with.And who they can't mess with.

[David K]

Seems the same the world over...
I have found that meticulous planning helps. Plus substantial over documentation.
Leave no turn unstoned  :-)
Put your self in the Immigration Officers shoes...make it easier for him to say YES
than to say NO. In my case I got support from the local Member of Parliament to
obtain Yans Visitor Visa. I mentioned this fact in the subsequent applications
(work Visa) so they know I mean business.
Next, Permanent Residency for Yan. Again, meticulous planning.
I've also taken the time to become familiar with the various schemes people
use to game the system (Fake marriges, recycling business funds between migrants-
Arrive as a student, then find a Kiwi to marry you - there are endless variations )
So I provide additional evidence that makes it clear that application must be genuine
- it makes their job easier, so they get a straight run, can easily tick all the boxes
that come up on their computer screens, and we are then both happy

HTH
DAvid K in Auckland

[RobertBfrom aust]

Shaun , keep your chin up , being nervous can play a major part , just hope that you can shoot them down in flames and hope that next time will be okay , regards Sujuan and Robert .

[David E]

Shaun

Just for my information, because I am probably missing something, or the American process is so different from the Aussie version !!

For my spouse visa application I was required to send notarised copies of my divorce certificate and so was Ming. Our application cannot proceed without these critical documents. So at no time was there any possible doubt in the Shanghai Consulate that were were in fact both legally divorced.

Was it not required that you submit the same info. with your application??.......or was the problem a communication error between your American office and the Guanghzhou office ??

The difference between our systems is that we must apply directly to the Chinese Consulate in the relevant City that handles our application (in our case, Shanghai, in Jason B's case, Guangzhou)...this direct communication with the Consulate who actually processes our application prevents any paper mis-matches. In fact, the Australia part of the Immigration Department never even gets involved at any stage...until the Spouse/Fiance actually arrives in Aus.

Good luck...David

[maxx]

David E yes you are correct.The Americans are required to send in a notarized copy of there divorce papers.Along with there significant others divorce papers.Or a notarized single certificate.Which says that you have never ben married before.We have what is called a visa service center.All this visa service center does.Is asignes a case number.And checks to see that all your paperwork is completed.And that you have all the paperwork that is needed.

What confuses me about the whole thing is why was Peggy not given the opportunity.To conduct the interview in Chinese.when it was so plain to the person doing the interview.That she was having trouble understanding the person doing the interviews  English.I'm also confused.Why when the misunderstanding happend.Why wasn't Peggy asked to provide.Proof of Shaun's divorce.

When my wife went to her interview.She had a collapsible folder with all the proof of are relationship.Along with copies of my tax returns for the last 3 years.And a notarized copy of my divorce papers.She also had copies of every piece of paper that I had submitted to my lawyer.And the government.

Something weird is going on with Peggy's interview.And I'm not sure yet what it is.

[Pineau]

Sounds to me that everything for whatever reason was predetermined before Peggy got there. They held the interview as a formality. There statements and questions were prepared ahead of time and the VISA was denied before the interview.  Thats how I read it.

My cousin worked at the INS for a while processing visa applications. They not only investigate her but spend a fair amount of time checking you out too.


 

[Pineau]

P.S. I am not saying that the lady in this situation did anything wrong...just that maybe all the information hasn't been communicate yet.  Read this forum, and you see time and time again, when guys say, "she didn't tell me everything...until later."

I just wonder. Is it permitted to take a recorder into the interview? That would be helpful in sorting things out after the interview is over.

[Rhonald]

I wonder what they would do if you took a note pad and pen, and wrote verbatim the interview? If you asked for their names and they saw how meticulous you were in capturing every detail it might give them pause to consider. It might not be worthwhile in a court of law, but when I worked security here, I was told the documenting incidences still give credence to any claims that might come up.

Obviously, if the wife's English is not stellar then this could not happen, but if the husband is not allowed into the interview, then who is? After all, Shaun said that his wife's son was in the interview room at the same time.

[maxx]

Rhonald I would just love to see the look on the person doing the interview face.If somebody pulled out a pen and pad and started taking notes.That would be priceless.The last I heard the only one allowed in the interview is minor Children.And only if they are attached to the visaapp.

[Hajo]

Well, I do not know much about the American immigration system. But isn't there a "simple" possibility to find out what has been happening?

The government should work for the people. I know it does not do that always. In Denmark, we can complain if we feel the government employees did treat us wrong or if we think they made mistakes. We can even get insight in the paperwork that has been done in a case concerning my or my family.

We also can ask for the names of the people who did the interview. My wife and I had to go to an interview in Denmark for the resident permit . But both of us took part in the interview and I answered the questions. It took about 10 minutes and everything was in place.

In fact, I was close to use the opportunity to look into the case when I needed the visa for my wife. Just to ask where I had to apply for insight in my case, made things going faster.

But there are a few things I do not understand. America is a multicultural nation. But why is the government so afraid for immigrants? In your/our cases we try to bring the ladies we love to our homes. We show the government that we can pay the living expenses. What is the American government afraid of?

Isn't there any institution who is surveying these people? A bureau who takes care of the those who dealing with government institutions do there work right? Well, maybe I do know to little about your country...