Improvement Ideas

[shaun]

I guess Willy and David could be called progressives.  When they first joined this site their main concern was where the could get their next case of Viagra.  Now they worry about when they can get their next case of Depends.

Maybe Robert could put a thread called The Rest Home of the Geriatric Group for you guys.  Dare I say you'd have to put your age to enter the thread.

 

[Willy The Londoner]

Now he is poking fun at us while we get OUR diapers changed  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be serious David.

 Are you trying to say that you actually get your Diaper CHANGED??  Note in my case it is a singular reference to diaper!

Still at our age we both know what these youngsters have to look forward to in the not to distant future.

Willy


For Shaun's eyes only - Three score and a dozen at next birthday.

[David E]

Hrrumph......

Damm Colonials...always knew they would give us trouble some day.

Ought to send Wellington with a Gunboat to give them all a damm good thrashing, dontcha-know....same as we did to that Frog character Napolean whatsname...soon taught him who was boss.

Need to pull down their trousers and spank them all on their bare bums.....

Gotta dash, time for a G&T at my club and a bit of jiggery with the downstairs maid...tootle pip old boy    ;

[mpo]

The topic of discussion here is "Improvement Ideas"

Please stick to the topic and stop making personal comments directed at me. Thanks! 

BTW the attempt at gaslighting me was pretty funny, it must of been a joke, right?

look I am too stupid and too stuborn to get the hint, just ask my wife! 

... even when my account was deleted I couldn't take the hint! 


To be clear, everytime I log into this site, and I post something on this board it is subject to the monitoring and the control of another. They are in the position of power, and my post is the subject of that power.

They can delete my post, or modify it anyway they like, even changing a word here or there. There is nothing I can do about that.
The only recourse is to take control of your posts, yourself. Once you post a message you can still edit it, or remove it.
I suggest that you keep a copy of your post in a safe place, so that you will not lose it. Of course you have no idea that the post was removed or changed by another unless you manually check it yourself.

That is the way it is, nothing you can do to help that. 

[Willy The Londoner]

To be clear, everytime I log into this site, and I post something on this board it is subject to the monitoring and the control of another. They are in the position of power, and my post is the subject of that power.

They can delete my post, or modify it anyway they like, even changing a word here or there. There is nothing I can do about that.
The only recourse is to take control of your posts, yourself. Once you post a message you can still edit it, or remove it.
I suggest that you keep a copy of your post in a safe place, so that you will not lose it. Of course you have no idea that the post was removed or changed by another unless you manually check it yourself.

That is the way it is, nothing you can do to help that. 

As I and others have said. Let us see what the new regime is going to be like.

I have definately never edited or removed any one else messages. Maybe because I am down for a hardly used section! Ha ha.  Not many retirees on here.

I am not entirely clear as to how you see would like to see  this forum working.  Are you saying that when anyone posts anything then that post should never be amended or removed?

Willy

[JohnB]

All is weird on the seismograph as of late.

“...To be clear, everytime I log into this site, and I post something on this board it is
subject to the monitoring and the control of another. They are in the position of power,
and my post is the subject of that power...The only recourse is to take control of your
posts, yourself...”

Mike, you are one of the long time members here and as a courtesy...
maybe we should fashion your very own thread, like “Mike's Untouchable Way”, or
“Cultural Learnings of Mike for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of ChinaRomance”...
something you are comfortable with. And, you can be your own monitor if Robert
would be up to it. Then you can channel all your energies (instead of the shotgun approach)
into doing something for the betterment of our website. You will have the position of power!
Promote whatever! Or Slash & Burn. Mike's way or the highway.
Like at this moment, a few of your posts are running contrary and strange to what your
kind brothers are thinking/ suggesting you to do. Their patience is precious... but there are
clouds of uncertainty that permeates this site nowadays and your own thread may help us
get a better understanding of ours and yours situation.

It should be interesting.
Only just a suggestion I write in all honesty. 

[JohnB]

Willy's opening salvo--
“I think Gerry is right in one way, the site needs to be more active.  Blogs are a good way as long as they
are updated regularly. The major search engines love finding updated items.   Going back to Facebook and
utilising what is there is another and also Twitter.”

In my opinion, too much inbreeding the past few years. Little tidbits of disinterest. Little excitement to feed the
imagination. Things have been moribund except for Mike, the “Interesting”.
As I & others have indicated, maybe it is time to seriously consider adding blogs to our website. Something of current
substance, controversial or otherwise (boring). But then again, all will be interesting in the reads. Maybe a few things to
pick up on to help the members & lurkers safely navigate the murky waters of Asian relationships. A few things to post about.
I mean, our latest new member, “Tester”, 2 1/2 weeks ago, might want to interject his wit & knowledge of all things Asian beauty.
I had to write that.

[Rhonald]

Rhon I read your post and then went back and re-read the exchange between us.  I'm not sure what you meant by fertile words.  There were not any hostile exchanges between you and me.

I am ok with the site and hoping this new direction works well for everyone.  I do have 2 issues with the site but I'll keep them to myself as it could possibly cause more problems and I can live with the two issue for now.

Shaun you are correct. Sorry but my use of "FERTILE" was in regards to other messages I received. I could tell you were upset, even with using your civil tone. Some other messages I received from others used a more direct worded approach. In the heat of the moment, I am use to and expect cursive words. But it doesn't mean that I enjoy those kind of messages - just that I understand how powerfull emotions can be and how it can influence bad choices (not just in word usage).

[Rhonald]

The topic of discussion here is "Improvement Ideas"
To be clear, everytime I log into this site, and I post something on this board it is subject to the monitoring and the control of another. They are in the position of power, and my post is the subject of that power.

That is the way it is, nothing you can do to help that. 

You are absolutely correct!

This is a free site, there is no fee to you to come to this site to post. If you were a paying member, then this would entitle you to the power that any customer has over its business practice. I have a city park very near my home (except for the taxes I pay to the government) I can enjoy this park free of charge. Yet at times, city officials have the power to tell me to behave in a certain way, they are in the postion of power and I am subject to that power. The park is not to be used after midnight - although no gates or fences are present to bar me. Sometimes I am excluded from the park as it is booked for private functions.

What I don't like with commenting to you is that your perception of me as a person of power - being a Mod, is that you will not take to light the validity of my argument. Yet even if I wasn't a Mod, I would most likely have had a similar response.

And as I understand you main gripe, is that you think none of your posts should ever be altered, deleted, or moved by anyone but yourself - is that correct? Do you wish all members to share equally in this balance of power?

[mpo]

And as I understand you main gripe, is that you think none of your posts should ever be altered, deleted, or moved by anyone but yourself - is that correct? Do you wish all members to share equally in this balance of power?

No, that is not my gripe, I am aware just as everyone here is aware that posts that violate the site's policy will be deleted, my "gripe" is that posts are being deleted simply because the mod does not agree with the post, or dislikes the person who is posting.
and not because it really is a violation of policy.

so talking about what is wrong is not helping much, everyone keeps asking for another way to do it better.
So I guess an example is needed:

Suppose someone posted this:

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I have been dealing with this issue for a long time it is not a recent event only,
and it has built up over time until the lid has blown off

It is hard to prove that posts have been deleted, because once they are gone I cannot point to them anymore.

What I can do, is point to places where the issue was broken the surface before

such as here:

http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3802.msg65150.html#msg65150

and here:

http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3758.msg64392.html#msg64392

and here:

http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3758.msg64384.html#msg64384

As I said this is not a recent thing, it has been on going
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currently the mod reads this post, and finds it unacceptable, and deletes it


so ...

What would be better?


well it would be a lot better if the mod were to copy the offending post into a PM to the poster, and then add a comment such as:

user: please do not post messages that violate the website posting policy for your reference the policy is here:

http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3943.msg66983/topicseen.html#msg66983

and in particular this post is in violation of this part:


"false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, "


please revise your post to meet our policy and repost it when it is not in violation

thank you,
A Concerned Mod

[Rhonald]

my "gripe" is that posts are being deleted simply because the mod does not agree with the post, or dislikes the person who is posting.
and not because it really is a violation of policy.

so talking about what is wrong is not helping much, everyone keeps asking for another way to do it better.
So I guess an example is needed:

Suppose someone posted this:

====
I have been dealing with this issue for a long time it is not a recent event only,
and it has built up over time until the lid has blown off

It is hard to prove that posts have been deleted, because once they are gone I cannot point to them anymore.

What I can do, is point to places where the issue was broken the surface before

such as here:

http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3802.msg65150.html#msg65150

and here:

http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3758.msg64392.html#msg64392

and here:

http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3758.msg64384.html#msg64384

As I said this is not a recent thing, it has been on going
===

currently the mod reads this post, and finds it unacceptable, and deletes it

Mike - I have highlighted IN BOLD twice your words "THE MOD"

In the first instance, the referred to Mod is no longer a mod.

The second referred to Mod would be me. But I also had explained in the post around that time, my reasons for deleting. I also apologized for my actions at that time. Just recently, I also explained I was dealing with to me, a more pressing issue with my son, than the in fighting that was happening here. I did not need nor wanted the distraction. My reason for bringing this up - a little returned consideration would have been appreciated.

I can see your point about a Mod cutting and pasting any questionable postings and PMing the individual. I hope this is and was a standard practice. I have only done it once myself. Most of the times posts I have outright deleted - and with no PMing the offender - was just a new member posting of direct links to advertisments - nothing more.

[Willy The Londoner]

I agree with one thing and that is if a persons post is temporarily removed because it goes against both the letter and the spirit of the forum then that person should be informed by PM and they should be asked to revise and resend it. 

As far as I know I have only had one posting deleted by a moderator and I DID receive a PM telling me why.  On reflection, on that occasion, then maybe I would not have said what I did say which was in the heat of the moment.

But if these circumstances do arise then the sender must either accept the decision of the moderator or conduct any complaints in PRIVATE and not on the open forum where messages could be arbitrarily deleted .  If the two cannot come to an concensus then both sides should put their argument to the head honcho, Robertt, and his decision must be final.

Rhonald has made a public apology and given a reason why the circumstances arose on the one occasion he did what he did. As far as I read into these things then the other said to be involved is no longer a Moderator.

Can we not sit back now, relax and see just how things pan out in the future under the new regime.

Willy

[mpo]

I agree with one thing and that is if a persons post is temporarily removed because it goes against both the letter and the spirit of the forum then that person should be informed by PM and they should be asked to revise and resend it. 

As far as I know I have only had one posting deleted by a moderator and I DID receive a PM telling me why.  On reflection, on that occasion, then maybe I would not have said what I did say which was in the heat of the moment.

But if these circumstances do arise then the sender must either accept the decision of the moderator or conduct any complaints in PRIVATE and not on the open forum where messages could be arbitrarily deleted .  If the two cannot come to an concensus then both sides should put their argument to the head honcho, Robertt, and his decision must be final.

Rhonald has made a public apology and given a reason why the circumstances arose on the one occasion he did what he did. As far as I read into these things then the other said to be involved is no longer a Moderator.

Can we not sit back now, relax and see just how things pan out in the future under the new regime.

Willy

Well Willy,
Lucky for you that you were never a target, but for me I have had too many posts deleted or modified to keep count of,
and I have only ever received a PM about 1 of them, long ago.

I was asked to give suggestions for how to IMPROVE the site which is the title of this thread "Improvement Ideas"

The best way I could do that, was to provide an example, how it was handled, and how I think the process should be improved.

The reaction is to attack the example, and not talk about the "Improvement" to the process.... how does that help?

Why did I pick that example?

Well it was the only one I could reproduce .... it is hard to come up with posts that have been deleted, and are now erased.
for the future, I am keeping a private copy of all my posts, so that I do not lose them 

As far as Ron pointing out which mod did what ... it does not make any difference to me, I see all mods as the same thing ...
a nameless person who has power and control over my posts. and when they delete my posts, and do not PM me
it feels very impersonal, and hurtful, and is in fact censorship.

So now that I have fully explained how I think an offensive post should be handled by the powers that be,
I would like to see other ideas from the rest of you?

How do you think it should be handled? How would you like to be treated if a MOD decided to delete your post?

I am listening

 

[JohnB]

come to think it...now that it has resurfaced,

http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3914.msg66987.html#msg66987
re: Mike's http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3802.msg65150.html#msg65150
re: JohnB's http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3802.msg65137.html#msg65137

I saw that long ago. Ron censored a 'hacked' posting of mine.."By this, I would say forego your congressman,...".
That was a clumsy transition. Personally I hate Congress with a passion and I doubt if I was thinking a Congressman when I
penned that post.

I didn't get heartburn. It was kind of a funny departure from the reality of my keystroke.

[Willy The Londoner]

As I have given my thoughts on how matters could be improved then I will not go over them again.

I have already agreed with you that a person who has a post deleted should receive a PM.  As I said I have not had any reason to consider amending or deleting a post but if the occasion does arise I would contact the person as I stated.

What I will ask is - How many of your posts were deleted by persons still moderators on this Forum?

What I am concerned with is that you see all mods as the same. A nameless person who has power and control over what you post! It strikes me as a 'all cops are bad cops' syndrome and I suffered that for many years!  But I am sure that this was not your intention to make it sound like you were anti authoritarian.

Any Mod is not able to amend or delete a posting, just the ones listed as such on each subject. So if someone has a post deleted with no explanation then that person who feels aggrieved can make contact directly with the named mods in the first instance then Robertt if no concensus results from the earlier contacts.

I am sure that this will no longer be necessary  but the suggestion is there.

Willy