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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #165 on: September 25, 2009, 02:18:16 pm »
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'BigButt, I already added you on QQ :huh: but it seems you not connected ;)
by the way, tomorrow so is the day for Gz and meeting Lyian.
Tonight, I "Should" meet Cecilia... well, up to now, she didn't call me but she said she can't call on international, so she would call directly the hotel where I am, in my room...
but if I have no calls in 2 hours, I'll change my plans for tonight... hopin' that I could see either Flora or Dora...


kk I accepted! I sent you a note via QQ...howdy Chong! Changsha, is fun! Everything is happening! Visited girlfriends family tonight...finally received my luggage! Asiana airlines...for those that are planning trip to China. Took one day after arrival to get luggage :s girlfriend had to deal with me all day...she took me shopping...new clothes for the day...she is great! Bought me dinner last night and breakfast today! Everything you hope with a lady and some!!! Sylvain, keep positive bro!!! Ur in China!!! get yourself a translator...I paid 200 RMB for one tonight! Everything went great with family!!! This lady also translates in German! People here are very respectful! Went to river here(forgot name...lol)...took some pics...maybe we will go to mountian, tomorrow! Anyways...will try to be on QQ sometime tomorrow...let you know plans!:icon_biggrin:

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #166 on: September 25, 2009, 02:26:16 pm »
Well, a small update and anything to share with you about my first meeting with Cecilia.
Oh... well, it seemed to be like a rollercoaster, once again.
Via phone, she seemed sometimes to be as cold as ice... No need to draw to understand that meaning, right?
So...
Tonight, so, I waited for her call but she didn't call... I then decided to call her and... "sorry I forgot your phone number... I was already waiting you would call..."
well...
So, I tell her it's ok, she says me that when I will be ready, I ask the taxi driver to speak to her so that she can tell him the adress... but I did it with one of the men working in the hotel (more easy, I think). He was ok to help me and we talked a bit about all those ladies I could meet in Shanghai and how I could meet them as I was french. I told him about ChinaLove, but he didn't understand about it (anyway, he seemed to be interested when seeing the pictures I had on my mobile ^^) (Arnold, sorry, I know you are on my mobile, too, so, sorry, but I promise he didn't see your photo with Qing on it ^^)
So...
Twenty mins about later, I was arrived and I called Cecilia. I waited a bit for her, I was in a quarter I didn't know at all, with some buildings around me, and two persons outside. A few cars, some dark "quarters" and that was all.
3 mins may have passed, Cecilia wasn't here. I phoned her again and I stopped a lady. I said her like "it's for you"... :D and she was surprized, I showed her the phone, she understood, she spoke and Cecilia hang up. 10 secs later, she was here. ... but...
No hello, no "how are you"... nothing. As Cold As Ice.
I was very suspicious about the dinner with her, as we had to eat together.
I had a doubt, knowing if she was really "herself" or not, she then looked at me, and I say "ni hao ma?" she then replied "I'm fine", and she asked where I wanted to eat.
I then replied that I would like to eat chinese food, local one...
Guess what...
She said "it's ok".
She stopped a taxi and asked me just before if I wanted to eat in a good restaurant or some other ones... cheaper...
I also said "a good one".
She smiled and when the taxi arrived, she said to the driver to go to a destination I just couldn't know...
But about 15 mins later, we arrived at a place, I saw lot of western men & women outside, discussing about many things, and I supposed we were at the famous restaurant.
I looked around quickly but I saw everything except a chinese restaurant. Did I miss something:huh:

We had to take a lift to arrive 7 floors upper to a restaurant... It was like an european one. Cecilia said something to the "waitress"? and went away, and I just followed her. I then could see that we were in a restaurant where we could see all Shanghai by night. we were outside, there still were lot of people eating, some western ones, again.
I then realized... and remembered one thing... Life is Shanghai is EXPENSIVE!!!
Guess what...
We were in fact in a famous restaurant, and the prices of the dishes were as expensives as if I would have been with a friend or anyone else in Paris....
O M G
I started to blush, then to be a little upset...
Cecilia looked at me, we tried to speak but she said me that sometimes, my accent in english was very bad (she didn't say it like this, but said "your accent in english is a french english accent", and most of the time she didn't understand me.... :-(
Fortunately she understood and spoke english.
Well...
One of the servers came and asked us what we'd like to eat, and Cecilia asked for the menu.
I then looked quickly and see that all prices were above 48 rmbs... just for aperitives....
I then looked quickly the next page... Maybe should I hadn't done it in fact!
The prices were more than 150 rmb's... outchhhhh !!!
I then said Cecilia "I'm sorry, but tell me, please, it is a famous restaurant, right? So, the prices are expensive?" She then looked at me and seemed upset. She then replied "I asked you if you wanted to eat in a good restaurant, you said yes". Ok I admit she was right... but anyway, it wasn't chinese food that we could have for dinner... more western food in fact.
She then said "ok ok, don't care, I check for something cheap in the menu".
Or not...
I tried to not think about it, and I asked her a few questions. She looked at me, and the server came again. We told him what we wanted to eat /drink and while I was watching the beautiful view on Shanghai by night, I was trying to know some more about Cecilia.
She looked at me and was very cold sometimes... but little by little, she began to be less like this.
I began to be happy and to smile. I then asked her about her letters and mine, if she did really understand all, if she wanted to ask me anything else, and if I could ask her anything else. She agreed and when I told her that in fact, I just knew a few things about her, then I wanted to ask her anything more, she said me "please stop, you are asking me questions like a policeman !"
Well.
As I've heard this sentence, I just wanted to leave and to go back to the hotel...
WTF to not ask any questions when man doesn't know a lot of things about the lady who he's eating with??
I then explained her gently and softly that most of times, CHNLOVE Agencies don't really translate all correctly, and maybe some good information can be wrong or bad translated, even with some extra contents inside... She then began to understand.
I told her that I only knew her real name (An Na) and her job, that's all.
She then said "it's ok, ok, you can ask some questions".. but I told her "dui bu qi", and she said again that I could ask, as she could understand why I asked so many questions.
So, a few mins later, I knew a bit some more about her, as we were eating too. By the way, I ate a risotto and her, it was a famous fish, really delicious.
She asked me why I was in China and how many times. I told her the reasons (the normal ones), that I really liked that country and chinese food, the way of life about people there, and the culture, with including charming ladies.
She smiled.
I told her about Chongqing, just about the taxi drivers and about the way of life there, the weather, too. She saw I was very interested in China. I told her about my point of view about Shanghai compared to Shanghai, and that the language was very different, too. Because, for sure "shaya" to say "xiexie" and "lon hao" or something like this, to say "ni hao", in fact ^^, there is also "ia do hao", to say "wan shang hao"
well... ^^
she smiled when I thanked the server many times in Shanghainese, because he was first surprised and then, thanked me in return, in chinese... :D
I just remembered me about the beginning of the meeting with Cecilia, it was very bad... but as I was talking with her, she was more "easy" to understand and to speak.
She said me "but if we met each other, it's for a reason, right?" and I agreed.
Try to guess that a few mins later, we were inside the restaurant, because it was beginning to rain a bit, and so, she told me :
"if something between us happens, as you really like me and that I really like you, I would like to take you to my hometown, do you agree?"
I was really shy at first and smiling because I didn't expect that from Cecilia.
"For sure, I'd be happy" have I then replied to her.
She was happy and she said that I was a nice man, even if she knew that I met some other ladies and that I will meet Lyian tomorrow.
But anyway, she said "if..." so.. that means what it means, right?
We had to pay ... well, just... 546 rmbs, for a risotto, a famous fish, (not caviar nor seamon ^^), an orange juice and a bloody mary.
As I said "same price as in France.... oh My G...."
Anyway, I paid and it was in fact 00:30...
Cecilia wanted to go sleeping, I excused myself, and we left the restaurant, to go outside and finding any taxi.
Once we were in the street, there were 4 taxis waiting, but Cecilia told me to walk a bit, because the first one of the taxis was a blue one, and was not really a good one.
3 mins later, we found a taxi and we jumped into it. Cecilia told the driver the way to go, she then let her head on my shoulder and took my hand, slowly...
Well...
I was almost happy, for sure. I then let the moment being as it was,without waiting or wanting something more to happen.
Cecilia sleeped slowly just next to me, her head still on my shoulder, and a few mins later (maybe 10) we arrived to where she lives.
I then went outside the taxi and Cecilia told the driver where to let me. She then kissed me as in western countries, not a frontal one nor a french kiss ^^ but a small kiss and a smile, telling me that she would be very happy too, to meet me again.
I then thought to myself that it was very like a rollercoaster, because at the beginning, she was a bit like some Ice and that now, she seemed very different... ^^
I then went back to my hotel...
And now, I have to prepare my bags quickly and sleep a bit, because in 5 hours, I have to wake up...

Next story...
The final meeting with Liyan.
She told me on QQ that in fact, her english was terrible, as she uses often a translator...
so tomorrow we'll see what will happen... :)
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #167 on: September 25, 2009, 02:41:47 pm »
Sly,


Your a real glutten for punishment, but you sure are a do'er!!
I'm enjoying reading your posts. But you sure do need a Besta, ....or anything that will do a half decent job of translating for you.. lol!!

David....

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #168 on: September 25, 2009, 03:03:18 pm »
Wow, that is an epic evening, and a very entertaining post. At least you are living life to the full - hell there are people I went to school with who I don't think have ever left their home town.

I hope nobody lost too much face over this evening. Maybe she thought it would be good to go to a French restaurant? Or as a French man you would lose face by not eating at the best restaurants. I don't think I would worry about those prices, sheesh that would be cheap for the UK as our normal restaurants are that price, never mind fancy restaurants.

I guess hiring a translator would be useful next time. A Besta might help as well :huh:.

What sort of age ranges are the ladies you're meeting, if you don't mind me asking?

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« Reply #169 on: September 25, 2009, 03:04:08 pm »
Way to go you 'French Lover'....:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::angel:

Very.... VERY pleased for you brother...:icon_cheesygrin:

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #170 on: September 25, 2009, 03:37:15 pm »
age of range : 27 up to 33, 34. Dora, Cecilia and Flora are less than 30 years olds.
By the way, i m looking for a besta translator, talked to Lyian about it :)
i need sleeping, it s 03:30 am here, i ll give some more news later. Anyway, thanks for the comments ;)
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« Reply #171 on: September 25, 2009, 04:09:42 pm »
Thanks Syl - I'm only 3 years older than you so I guess we're looking for ladies in a similar age range. It's interesting to know, as I'm not sure what age the ladies decide what they really want out of life.

As a frenchman with that accent and a certain je ne sais quoi you should be overrun with ladies out there! My lady likes France (she once watched a programme about Provence) so I 'll have to take her there some day.

I'm only going to see one lady this time as we have been talking on MSN for weeks and I've lost interest in all the others. If it doesn't work out I'll be very disappointed so I'll come back home and have a rethink. Did you talk to your ladies before you met them

I'm glad you told your lady about China, I think it proves you are serious about this idea, and you win many points for this. My lady loves it when I tell her something I've learnt about China, like a new proverb, or I know about Sichuan cooking being very hot. On MSN we mostly talk in chinese characters now, this also avoids catastrophic sleep/sheep mixups with her English :s.

Good luck for tomorrow! Wow, what an incredible adventure. You will never forget the smells of Asian cities and will be reminded of your trip every time you walk past an Asian restaurant.

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #172 on: September 25, 2009, 07:39:01 pm »
Good luck Sylvain, watch those restaurant bills!

The ice cold thing, you'll get more of that. I'm not sure what iti is, my ex commented after me asking later when things were well advanced that she was just shy and did not want to lose face, really nothing to worry about.
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #173 on: September 26, 2009, 02:21:51 am »
Hemm....
'seems like there's something wrong somewhere.
For any reason, Lyian had a problem and could not meet me, I asked her why but she said that she could not tell me...
Just guess I was a bit angry because I paid the flight, so that she was sorry for that and that, maybe next time if we would meet, she would give some money for it (I don't really know if I should believe her or not... but I think there's no hope in it to happen anyway)
So... I just didn't go to Gz and I'm still in Shanghai.
I contacted Cecilia but it seems too that there's something wrong, too. Each time on phone seems to be as a blizzard. Maybe doesn't she like replying on the phone?
Well, anyway, I told her I still was in Shanghai but she said she was busy. Yesterday night she told me she would be busy this afternoon, not this morning... well... I know that I sent her a sms this morning, asking her to call me back, but she didn't call, then I called her later, and she told me too that she was tired.. she'd call me tonight but I told her that yesterday, she told me she would be busy with one friend of hers... so... I say "ok, we'll see", I hang up because there was nothing more to expect about this communication. WTF would I say, once again.
She's really strange. Even yesterday night, while we were eating, at one moment, she took a part of my risotto, without asking, and then, looked at me and said "what?" I replied that she may could had asked but it seemed that no, it maybe was too difficult. Anyway, it is just some food, but even if I would have tasted what she was eating, I would have asked her before... maybe is it some difference of way to be???
Anyway, I'm sure she will not contact me anymore.

about Dora, so... she's busy today but she can't tell how long. She told she had to be with a friend to buy a new lcd tv for her, so I said "it's ok, just know I'm in shanghai right now", she then replied (always via sms) "why", I then told I could not really know how to explain it but it was just that I knew I could not go to Gz, and then, I'd maybe would see her... tomorrow.

about Flora, well. I sent her an EMF because via phone, it is like some kamikaze mission. She got it quickly and replied quickly, too, saying she would be free on monday afternoon, so that we could look together for some electronic translator, and that she was very happy to be able to see me again. (I just don't know if she really feels it or if the agency tries to add some extra contents, in fact)

So... right to now, I'd say that man takes a ticket and waits for his next date.
By the way, this afternoon, I will go visit Shanghai alone, and try to see if I can find any good electronic translator there.
I think that's all for the moment.
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #174 on: September 26, 2009, 03:38:00 am »
Sly go get that translator mate would make your life so much better to understand with the both of you.
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #175 on: September 26, 2009, 06:24:58 am »
I'm starting to think that chasing too many rabbits .... :angel:

I am in a different situation, I'm talking to 3 ladies, 2 are really pen pals and won't go any further (not via EMF mind you :D ), but I didn't state that to those ladies yet although they can easily tell there is no romantic content in the exchanges. Yet both pen-pals are making plans to meet me, travel around China with me and take care of me while I'm over, one even apologizes about booking a single room for herself and not sleeping with me right away (that's a new angle actually ^_^). The problem is, it's not the one's I'm after ...

Based on your going exeperience, I think I'll chase only one rabbit for this trip, and if it doesn't work out I'll test some agencie's speed dating abilities.

Do get a translator as soon as you can! Et bonne chance avec les restantes!
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« Reply #176 on: September 26, 2009, 06:48:21 am »
Sly,

I have been reading all about your trip.  You have some successes and some disappointments.   If I remember correctly you told all of the women you are seeing that you are visiting other women also.  I commend you for doing that but other side of that coin is what is happening.  It seems to me that some of them are willing to go with you and spend a day with you but when things do not work out with another woman and you seek to fill the opening in your schedule they don't bend over backwards to fill that schedule up.  You also say that some have seemed cold as ice.  Well, why should they get emotionally involved? Why should they interrupt their schedule when you suddenly have an opening and you have not committed to them?

Sly I have always heard this saying and I think it applies here.  You can't have your cake and eat it too.  Maybe you are trying to see too many women in too short of a time period. I think you would have been better off if you had spent 3 days with one, 3 days with another and so on.

The other thing I might mention is that it appears that maybe when you get frustrated that it might carry out in your demeanor for a while.  So, without realizing it you may be communicating that you are frustrated when you talk with the women.

I don't know how much longer you will be in China but if I were in your shoes I would approach the one I had the best time with and ask her is she would or had time to spend the next 3 or 4 or 5 days with you and that it would be her only.  Make no promises but tell her you found that you were the most fond of her and you would like to see where it goes.  Who knows you might have a time worth remembering for the rest of your life.

It would sure bring the frustration level down some.

IMHO

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #177 on: September 26, 2009, 06:52:48 am »
Well laid out Shaun!
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #178 on: September 26, 2009, 07:10:13 am »
Hi Sly,
I have been reading your posts on this trip and it looks like the one you should be after is Dora, thats what I would do anyway but you do what is right for you.
Good luck and best wishes Sly.
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« Reply #179 on: September 26, 2009, 07:25:33 am »
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Hi Sly,
I have been reading your posts on this trip and it looks like the one you should be after is Dora, thats what I would do anyway but you do what is right for you.
Good luck and best wishes Sly.

 
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