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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #360 on: October 10, 2009, 03:03:47 pm »
Wow David you sure know your sheep.I didnt know any of that.Thank you for the info I appreciate it,You learn something  new every day on here.
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #361 on: October 10, 2009, 03:08:27 pm »
Isn't it funny , a chinese Relationship Forum and we talk about Sheep's and Goat's . Leave alone under poor Sly's thread . Now that makes up a great Forum .:icon_cheesygrin:
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #362 on: October 10, 2009, 04:16:39 pm »
Well...
I don't really know what to say...
I am sad, very sad, and also...a bit happy..
Maybe should I believe in a God of Hope? Who knows...

Today I was on QQ with Liyan, and I saw she was on the phone, then she wrote me "my mother"...
I said nothing, I waited a few mins, and when she hang up, she was sad... very sad...
I asked what's wrong...
Liyan looked at me, was very sad, as if she would begin to cry and she explained me...
A chinese man has been introduced to her parents (don't ask how... I don't know) and she really disagreed it...
I know it isn't easy at all...
I didn't know what to say, for sure, I was sad as Liyan was, and I asked anyway some questions about the chinese man and her.
She told me that "chinese people only get married when the son in law will give you the money, father also need to give money to her daughter".
I asked about money because of the famous story I had in Chongqing... That's why Liyan told me that.
We went on talking, she told me that she had to know if I really loved her and, for sure, I told her that I really loved her. I never meant to hurt her feelings.
She then told me to be happy because she knew what she had to do, facing her parents later (in two weeks... quite long :( ) and that she will tell them about her feelings for me, and my feelings for her. I also sent her a first letter in english, speaking a bit about me, my life and how I loved their beautiful daugther (I also said that they could be proud about having a such beautiful daugther).
Welll..
Liyan gave me lot of smiles, told me that she kissed me, that she remembered all the days in Gz with me, and that she knew she was very happy with me.
I don't really know how things can evolve.
Because her parents don't know foreigners, they only know about us via their tv and most of time, for sure, it's not "really good"...
I also told Liyan I was still learning chinese with new words (ok I can write "taxi" now in chinese...) and that I wished in two weeks or a little more to be able to speak with her in chinese.
I told also in my letter that I wished to marry Liyan (I said all I have in my heart) and that if she could come in France, I would help her to learn french in some "training centers", "formations" and that each year, we'd go in China one or two times, to see her family, so that her family could see that no, Liyan doesn't leave them.
In fact, all that I said was very nice to Liyan and she told me "ok, don't worry, be happy, don't care please"... She was almost sure about herself when saying it to me...

For sure, I'm frightened and a bit sad...
Because I would really like that relationship to go on and to evolve.
Liyan told me that she knew 2 chinese men before and that it ended for many reasons, one of them was not very nice with her, and the other one, I don't really remember.
But she also told me that since she knows me, she's happy everyday....

One other thing we talked about, because I remember about it :
she told me one time that it would be more easy for her to have a chinese man as love, because she wouldn't change lot of things.
Today we talked about it again.
She then told me that she needs a good reason to do these things (learning french, learning to adapt to life abroad...), for love, for a good man, for her happyness.
She then told me "if you show this, I will do that"
Then I told her that I was sincere in my love for her and that I would really help her once she could come in France.
And she then replied "I can feel your love, it is true, so I will do lot of things".
She then told me she had to go sleeping, and told me "don't be sad, and don't worry", saying I was her dear, that she missed me a lot...

How many brothers will say me that there's nothing to do, except finishing in a "no way, dude"????? :(
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #363 on: October 10, 2009, 04:34:13 pm »
Sly from what I am reading it sounds like the father wants a dowry for his daughter so he can give to his daughter when she marries you.That is how I am taking it which is a custom there.The other brothers can help more on this I am sure.
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« Reply #364 on: October 10, 2009, 04:43:22 pm »
Sly , I sure hope this is not going to turn into a repeat of Ting's saga ... with the Parent's and a chinese Man giving Money and that's that . If Liyan play's it right , she has got to use Mother ( which is on your side still ) with all she can to convince Dad ... this is better for his Daughter before it's too late again . I know it's not your fault you keep picking these kind of Women , but you now have learned a lot from your last experience so you must use it wisely and NOT get caught up in this previous mess with Ting again . I can't help you more then wish you good luck buddy . I think you and Liyan are going to need it . Man with old chinese customs are hard to change , especially dealing with Foreigner's . But this is not only in China the case , us German's are pretty stubborn too when it come to our own believes . Get your battle-gear on and be ready for a fight for your lady again . Besides , it really sadden's me to see some of us have it so easy ( yes me included ) and some other's have to go through all this before the Paperwork even start's . May the Love for Liyan give you both the strength to overcome this .

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #365 on: October 10, 2009, 05:19:57 pm »
One other thing I remember.
Her mother lost her dog a few months ago and she was very very sad because it was a nice dog.
Today, Liyan told me she will go and see her parents in two weeks.. with a baby dog...
because she wants her mother to be happy, even if her dad doesn't like dogs or isn't really ok about having another dog... but well, Liyan told that she wanted to make her mother happy.
So, maybe is it like a "help" to say or show her mother that if she can make her happy, maybe can her mother help her too?

Thanks anyway for your comments, Ron, Arnold and Mike.
I also said to Liyan that I'd do anything for her to help and to show her that I really loved her...
I'll have to see how it will evolve , with time. But I must support Liyan the best I can throught this first difficulty. I'll do.
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #366 on: October 10, 2009, 06:50:37 pm »
I know Sly , you will do your best . But it is so very hard from a distance of many miles , it sure doesn't make things easier ... when they could be . It's like Qing want's to help me so bad with the trouble of my House I had returning home . This is why we love these Women , they do and want to do everything for you to make sure your Happy and well taken care of . Instead of hearing ... when are you going to fix this and when is it going to be done ? Yes , even my late Wife ... that I loved so dearly ... was that way . So this is going to be different with Qing . So you have to make sure you let her know , what qualities you fell in Love with and it's up to you to keep them just there and not take her for granted and let all slip away what brought you to these Women in the first place . But then , talk is easy ... to get it done is the challenge . haha
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« Reply #367 on: October 10, 2009, 07:14:09 pm »
Arnold that reminds me of my Ex. One (well just this one) time she complained how hard the day was. taking care of the kids, the laundry, cleaning the house (only had had 5 rooms) and making dinner. In which I reminded her We Had Pizza.  We went away for a week and when we got back I called for a pizza. The guy said Oh we haven't heard from you? We thought you moved? Yeah, she had a tough life.

Song is so much better. I tell her I haven't done something she says, don't worry.

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #368 on: October 10, 2009, 07:24:54 pm »
Yes , We know too well about these kind of Women . I worked two Jobs so my late Wife could stay home and take care of the Home and Cook and clean . But I tell you , I am glad I did not take her for granted . Because after she passed away , I realized all that she had done for our marriage ... things I did not see day in day out . After she was gone , I could see it all ... and let me tell you , I am so glad I didn't take her for granted . I would feel quite guilty right now ... but I don't have to . Thanks God for that .

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #369 on: October 10, 2009, 07:29:39 pm »
Keep going on this one Sly.  Your girl is, with you - it is you she loves.   We know that Baba makes the final decison but with Mama on your side then you two need to work on her.   The Chinese man has been brought into the equation, probably by a relative on the fathers wishes as most Baba's want their daughters to marry a Chinese man.   But Liyan can make it clear by words and conduct that anyone other than you will not be having her total attention.  It seems to me that Liyan is not willing just to roll over and do what her father would prefer.  So encourage her to keep going on this track.

Keep showing and telling Liyan how important she is to you and how much you love her.  Keep giving her all the support you say you will. Be positive in all things concerning Liyan not just the best you can do but better than the best.  

I might not be the wisest of brothers and I have a 'hard earned' reputation of liking many Chinese ladies, maybe too much, but I am one of the oldest and I just have a feeling that Liyan would rather be with you than anyone else.   Ok you may have problems with Baba but keep following the dream and if you two were meant to be one you will achieve.

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #370 on: October 11, 2009, 06:29:26 am »
Sly I've just read this mate...:huh:

Sorry brother.. I would do what the guys are telling you...Hang in there mate

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #371 on: October 11, 2009, 06:56:54 am »
Wow, that's a shame Sly. I worry I will get the same with my lady. However she has a strong will and I think she could win her parents over.

Incidentally, my lady's parents asked that I had a big house, I think that if you can show you own property and/or have a decent income then perhaps their worries will subside.

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« Reply #372 on: October 11, 2009, 07:19:34 am »
You might want to send pictures of your house prior to going there.  I sent mine and will send one soon that I am building for Pinky. :icon_cheesygrin:

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« Reply #373 on: October 11, 2009, 09:59:49 am »
Hahahaha ... Shaun that's too funny . Does it have a walk-in closet ? I see it comes with a big Yard .:icon_cheesygrin:

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« Reply #374 on: October 11, 2009, 10:44:54 am »
Give him the nature approach.  

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He may want to know the size of the home to figure if there's enough space so he can come to live there?