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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #375 on: October 11, 2009, 01:22:14 pm »
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Hahahaha ... Shaun that's too funny . Does it have a walk-in closet ? I see it comes with a big Yard .:icon_cheesygrin:


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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #376 on: October 11, 2009, 01:42:23 pm »
A nice fixer-upper there Willy . Are you selling ? Are the Neighbor's nice , hence I'm looking for a Vacation Home in England .

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #377 on: October 11, 2009, 06:18:31 pm »
Willy,

Your house is what happens when you spend all your money on Viagra!

With my house the closet is on the back side; you can't see it from this position.  Note: the guest room is just below the surface.

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #378 on: October 11, 2009, 09:47:25 pm »
I'm afraid to ask where the Garage is :s and the Guest room ... how can one sleep with thing's tropping in all the time ? :@

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #379 on: October 12, 2009, 01:41:33 am »
Arnold, how dare you asking that question?
Man should know that the guest room is with the main one :D
Eh ! it's the best way to know about your invitees, right? :D

And about the Garage, didn't you want to say "garbage" in fact? :D
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #380 on: October 12, 2009, 02:59:20 am »
Well, that makes me smile to see that my thread is always "spammed" by many things but eh... i still like reading many things, even if I'm not sure to show the latest photos by Shaun, Vince and Willy :D

Ok, let's talk a bit more about Liyan...
Hem..

yesterday was a very nice day, as always in fact.
But for any reason, we told about income, houses... and that began to not be "very clear" at first.

I then told Liyan that with my income, as I was the owner of my studio, I didn't have to pay any "fees" for it, nor than for my car. (except insurances for the studio and the car, plus gasoil, of course). So that was good because I could save some money
Quote from: "Liyan"
you can not save money because you are a man, and men can't save money :D

Ok she won one point on it...

I then told her that of course I could save some, because how would I have gone in China so?
So, she smiled.
She then asked me about babies : I told her that there is no law in France (nor in other western countries, I think) to have any baby, except when man is under 18 years old. No need to be married (but it's also better to be married if man wants a children, my point of view about it) and that man could have 1, 2, 3 children, it was very different from China.
Then she was ok about it.

Quote from: "Liyan"
but how will you do to help me, to support me in France with only your job, and giving money to your parents???

I didn't know what she asked about my parents and I realized she didn't know about it.
So I told her "why should I give them money ? Well, in fact, man doesn't give money to his family, he can if he wants, but it's not like in China... so I don't really need to give them money."
She then understood.

She also wanted to know about having a house. I quickly checked on my city and there were some houses to sell for about 540.000 € up to 780.000 € easily (about 5.400.000 rmb's so up to 7.800.000 rmb's easily)
I told her "no way to buy a house if man is alone" and she said it was expensive. That's why I told her that with just my income, alone, I didn't think about buying a house. But with her (for sure), it would be better, later. And if it could be on that way, then I could rent my studio or sell it...
But from here to "later", there will be time and many things can happen.

Well, she said she understood all that and that we worried now about money. I said that I didn't worry too much about it because I really think I can support her with my income (even if I get only 14.500 rmb's / month and that about 5.500 rmbs easily were for fees, insurances, gasoil, and so on. )

Later in the night, we went on talking she was still happy to talk with me, she even showed me that on her computer, her background was a photo of her and me in Gz, together, so I was very happy to see it :)
One friend called her (it was quite 11:40 pm easily) and Liyan was confused then...
Once she hang up, she told me that it was one of her friends (lady), who told her she wanted to divorce with her husband because too many quarels and so on.
So she told me that we were too fast, we did things too fast, we need time, and that marriage was frightening her. she also told me that her friend married "quickly" with her boyfriend and that they didn't know really each other, so that we had to know more about each other.

Well.. I then began to be confused too.
First, she told me she loved me, she really loved the 5 days with me and that she was ready to talk with her parents about us and that she was sure to do something about it.
Then, it was like if she just went one step back, saying "Well, I'm not sure, now, about marriage..."

I then told her my point of view...
Many persons get married and divorce, but there is no way to criticize about western countries and china, because it is the same, I think, everywhere in the world. I also told Liyan that she was frightened because of a marriage between a chinese woman and a western man and that most of time it came to separation? But what about her friend and her husband? (*meaning he was chinese, so, we were not to blame, here*)
I told too that I know some of my friends who knew in a few weeks then lived together, on the next year they got married and now had 3 babies and are still together. I meant that every man has his own lovestory, we can not say "this one married and divorce, so I will not marry..." because the situation, the story would never be the same...
She understood it.
I also told her I really loved her, I didn't have to think about marriage if I MUST HAD to think about divorce.. just because if I would have to think about DIVORCE, I would never think about marriage...
She also understood it too.
She then excused herself because as her friend was a very good friend, that affected her, and I told her that I could understand it clearly. Even if it was a "bad news", but that, however, was not meant to be the same for Liyan.
Sometimes, I feel she cares and worries about many things because of the language, because of living outside china, because of many things, but she also told me she was ready to do that choices because she loved me.
I also told her that yes, we needed time to know about each other, but even if we were together, at the end of our lives, who would say we could know each other 100%? Nobody really can, it's again my personal point of view. Man can know maybe 95-99% of his half-one but not 100%. But anyway, it was very nice to be able to know some more about each other day by day. I also sent her all the photos about my childhood, with my family, and she was very happy to get it. i also told her that yes, I'd wish to go again in February to see her (St Lover's day) and we talked about wedding, I then said "maybe that day would be special" and she then said "maybe good news that day"... she smiled...
So I do my best to give her any comments and my point of view about it.

She was very tired as it was midnight and had to go sleeping.
Her last words were "you will with me" and I asked then "how long?" and she said "I hope always".
The word "hope" means that she can worry but she'd like something very nice to happen...

Well.
I had to go and see one of my best friends and his girlfriend, we talked about Liyan and me many times and they gave me good comments about it, that yes, we needed time, and for sure, they could understand Liyan's worries, too, and about her parents.
They also told me to relax and to see how it will evolve with time.

But however, when I came back home, I sleeped very bad... maybe 2 hours...
I felt a bit "guilty" about my comment yesterday night about Liyan's friend and her lovestory and I didn't want to hurt Liyan, too. I then sent her a sms plus a mail, saying that I was sorry if I didn't find the righteous words about her friend and her lovestory, and how much Liyan was important to me
"ni dui wo hen zhong yao" (you are important to me)

I worried this morning about yesterday night. Maybe should I not?
She sent me a message, hoping I had good sleep, and that I didn't have to worry about us.
She then make me smiling, I thanked her about her message on my mobile, and she then said "my dear Tan Wen kiss you" and I then thanked her again and kiss her back.

So now...
I don't really know what to say, I'm happy anyway because of her message this morning. I just hope all will go on well on QQ when I'll talk to her... maybe today afternoon or maybe tomorrow, as today is my daughter's birthday..

To be continued.
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #381 on: October 12, 2009, 03:20:42 am »
Sylvain , reading in the middle of your last note where Liyan was getting tired she left a word out I think , what she was asking was " You will be with me " I would have answered that with  "forever" not " how long" as you answered a very important Question [ for Liyan ] with a question , but just keep up with the flow , keeping her smiling is the most important thing , regards Robert .
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #382 on: October 12, 2009, 03:25:01 am »
Robert, thanks for your comment. In fact I could have replied "forever", yes, because she always like hearing this, as "together" ("women", in chinese) :) but... i didn't.
Well...she didn't ask me if I will be with her but told me as I think I'd be in her dreams.
But as you say, keeping her smiling is the most important thing. Thanks again ;)
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #383 on: October 12, 2009, 07:52:35 am »
Sly,

It appears to me that Liyan got a little scared when her friend told her she was getting a divorce. She responded by questioning your relationship.  If this were to happen to me my response would be a little different than yours.  I would say, "I understand. Hopefully it will mot come to that."  And then I would try to walk away from the subject.  To me the only thing that helps is time and understanding. It is not a time to panic, that does not help but understanding does.

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #384 on: October 12, 2009, 09:46:53 am »
Sly , you and Liyan are doing just the thing you two must do and that is Talk things out now when your apart . Make her comfortable about everything that she has to change in her Life , because of having to leave China , leave all her friends behind ... ect. Of course she will go through what she is going through right now . She has time now to think of all those things and her Head will be spinning and cause her sleepless night's too . So , tell her everything to put her at ease (which you are doing right now ) and get her to feel glad to make that big leap to your Home / Country . Remember you talking her away from everything she grew up with and of course her Parent's know this and are also reluctant to let this happen . Back to , you need to let them ALL know Liyan will be well taken care of , when with you . You doing great , things are far from hopeless ... so keep doing what you are doing . You can only do your best , same for Liyan . Believe me , I'm going to have my Hands full with Qing too ... for the same reasons .

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #385 on: October 12, 2009, 10:06:00 am »
Sly, in this case ALL women are the same. They hear of a divorce and they panic. Don't let it bother you. They get over it quickly.

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #386 on: October 12, 2009, 04:26:10 pm »
I admit that what you say, Vince, seems to be quite right...
I spoke to Liyan a bit today and she was happy talking to me, saying that I din't have to worry about us and that about her friend was just "for her friend" and that, for sure, everybody has his own lovestory.
She also told me that she was very happy with me, so... why couldn't it work?
She gave me many smiles and also told me "best wishes to your daughter" :)
I agree too that with you, Arnold and I am grateful about the brotherhood that is still active here. :)

So... the lovestory's still active...
Any more news later, guys' :)
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #387 on: November 23, 2009, 06:15:33 pm »
Just a small update.

Everything with Lyian is very good.
Recently, she saw my daughter, via QQ. My daughter sent her many kisses and was smiling, so was Lyian... :)
So... I'm very happy because of that.

One other good news is that I'm planning to go there again. In February. For St Valentine's Day, so.
Ok, it's long, ok a bit less than 3 months and I'll see how everything is.
By the way, I am beginning to save money, because I plan to go in Beijing... and Chengde.
So...

Nothing special about Lyian's papa and mama, but her sister likes me, so does one of her friends.
(I'm just waiting for her papa to "give me any chance" to be with his wonderful daughter.)
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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #388 on: November 24, 2009, 04:35:56 am »
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Just a small update.

Everything with Lyian is very good.
Recently, she saw my daughter, via QQ. My daughter sent her many kisses and was smiling, so was Lyian... :)
So... I'm very happy because of that.

One other good news is that I'm planning to go there again. In February. For St Valentine's Day, so.
Ok, it's long, ok a bit less than 3 months and I'll see how everything is.
By the way, I am beginning to save money, because I plan to go in Beijing... and Chengde.
So...

Nothing special about Lyian's papa and mama, but her sister likes me, so does one of her friends.
(I'm just waiting for her papa to "give me any chance" to be with his wonderful daughter.)


Sly

Good to see you return. I hope you will be there for Chinese New Year...it is a wonderful time...but a bit cold for me !!

David

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RE: China again, September - October
« Reply #389 on: November 24, 2009, 06:52:58 am »
He, David ;)
I'll be there (in Gz at first) on February, 14th :) Just try to guess why? :D
About the coldness, maybe will it be cold, maybe not?
With Lyian, we'd like to visit Beijing and Chengde (2 weeks holidays) :)

I saw recently the weather in Chengde : -17° at morning... :icon_confused: how to say that Lyian was very scared about that weather, because in Gz, it was almost 10° at morning for her...  
would it be more cold in February, over there? I don't know...
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