China again, September - October

[Sylvain D]

Yop Michael, even if I don't know how many days I'd stay in Guangzhou, I'll know it once there
I know anyway that for the 2 first days, I'll stay in Shanghai and meet any other contacts.

[Darius]

Sly... And who´s going to pay the ransom if she really kidnaps you?!! Say the brotherhood?!!!!

Great news, but just a question, i am a bit curious, how got you Liyan so fast away the agency to talk with you on QQ? Are you still writing EMFs?

[Sylvain D]

Darius, if anyone would had to pay any ransom, I just don't know who to ask for

About getting Liyan so far away from the agency, in fact, she told me that she didn't really like the agency (I did not really want to know why, maybe did she have any bad experience with it in her past, but, as it could be in her past, it's her past, it is not now, so I let it out...).
I replied her anyway that it was thanks to CHNLOVE that we knew each other and that we could speak together. She agreed with a smile.
I also told her that if she was ok with it, we could keep contact via QQ and via mails, because we already know each's other QQ Id and our mail adress, and that it could be anyway good to save money about the EMF's. She just totally agreed and said that yes, for sure, we could stay away from the agency. So, everyday we write a little mail to each other, even if just one or two sentences, any pictures and that's all, and QQ later in the evening.

I remember, too, when I asked her if she wanted to webcam with me, she replied "no, sorry I don't have", i then told her that I had a webcam so she could see me, she then said "please wait".. and finally she got one ^^ maybe was she too shy at first to see me on QQ and to talk with me.
What I can say anyway is that she really seems to be a honest lady and is really happy when we speak together
It is also a good thing. Up to now, her agency didn't write me, asking any news and so on. So, it's ok.

[RobertBfrom aust]

Well done Sylvain , she does sound lovely , and has her head screwed on correctly , and doesn't cam make it so much better , does your french connection still work at the Hilton in ChongQing as I will be there from next Friday / 14th August , regards Robert .

[Sylvain D]

Hi there, Robert;)
About my french connection in Chongqing's Hilton, I think she's still there, I'll write her a mail tonight, so I'll tell it back to you tomorrow or whenever I've any news from her
I also remember one of the working men there, who names Oliver.

And about webcam, for sure, it is too nice to be able to see the other one "cam to cam" and to be able to share any nice moments with her.

I think anyway i'll write to the other women in Shanghai, because even if they first sent me a first mail, I had no reply to the ones I sent them, so... I'm thinking about Nad's thread, relating the story with the lady who he is in contact with. Maybe does the agency try to make some money... maybe not. But I'm sure I won't use many EMF's until they don't reply my mails and "prefer" replying the EMF's...
Even if it's difficult for them to connect on any computer easily, if they could send me a mail, they also can send any second one.
Even if they would not reply to my mails, I then will not reply to their letters. That's all simple.

[Sylvain D]

Any little but nice update with Liyan
We've been talking 2 hours again today via webcam. She also is always happy to see me and enjoys talking with me about many things.
So, today, we talked about spending some times together.
Just try to imagine, I was seeing her counting on her fingers, and saying me :
"how long you want be Guangzhou?"
For sure, I didn't really know, I then replied "2, 3 days... "then I did the number 10 with my fingers, and she then laughed.
So, we talked about fixing dates, and we finally choosed from 28th (at night) September up to 03rd October, at morning.
It is also some 6 days together and my flight to come back France is at 11:00 pm from Shanghai. I will also have to check for any flight from Guangzhou to Shanghaï, and then wait to have the other flight, from Shanghai, to Paris.

What else to say?
She just said she could book the hotel in Guangzhou.
I was amazed, for sure, because I've never seen that up to now with any other chinese lady.
We spoke about the room, many other things, well, in fact, she said that she could live with me in Guangzhou for six days, no problem about it, with a nice smile to go with her sentence. (what a pleasure, having a webcam to see it ^^)
She watched on a website but her price was more expensive than what I could have checked, about the Holiday Inn. It is also her first idea.
I said that I could check tonight for other hotels and then talking with her tomorrow and see what she can think about my choices, because the Holiday Inn is quite nice, for sure, but I prefer we save some money and being in any good hotel, and being able to do some visits and any other things
She also agreed with it.
So, now, I have to see with the hotel in Shanghai where I have booked for 13 nights before she talked to me about Guangzhou, and seeing how I can just cancel a part of the date that I'll be there, without losing all my money about the booking.

This lady is really amazing, for sure. I really don't know how to explain it... too many differences from my previous experience, and I then can understand many other Brothers here, saying that their women could also had booked any hotel for them.
Well.
I just think she's really THE ONE I need to see.

I'm just asking myself how will she do to be with me in Guangzhou for 6 days, if she doesn't work there everyday?
Well, I'll ask her tomorrow about it.

So, now, I better know what to do for 6 days once I'll be back in China

Oh !!!
BTW, she also gave me a chinese name :
??  (tang wen)
Meaning : Knowledge? (the man with knowledge, maybe)
I'm also happy she gave me that name. She was almost happy I liked it

[daghoi]

Hi !

Hope this works out.

May i suggest for you to check out hotels located on Shamian Island. A nice quiet place to stay while you in Guangzhou. You can sit outdoor and have a meal watching the river.

[Sylvain D]

Eh, daghoi, thanks for the info
I was in fact looking at a hotel, like this one :
Henry Business Hotel
No 26 Baohua Road
Huadu District

there is in fact a nice room which could be "well appropriated" if things would really be on this way.
anyway, Liyan was thinking about the holiday inn (Shifu).

but I will consider your proposition and we'll talk about it with Liyan

[Scottish_Rob]

Sly thats a good sign if she has given you a Chinese name I think.

My Chinese name is Bo Wen, this means 'Deeply Gentle':angel:

[Skip]

Any little but nice update with Liyan
We've been talking 2 hours again today via webcam. She also is always happy to see me and enjoys talking with me about many things.
So, today, we talked about spending some times together.
Just try to imagine, I was seeing her counting on her fingers, and saying me :
"how long you want be Guangzhou?"
For sure, I didn't really know, I then replied "2, 3 days... "then I did the number 10 with my fingers, and she then laughed.
So, we talked about fixing dates, and we finally choosed from 28th (at night) September up to 03rd October, at morning.
It is also some 6 days together and my flight to come back France is at 11:00 pm from Shanghai. I will also have to check for any flight from Guangzhou to Shanghaï, and then wait to have the other flight, from Shanghai, to Paris.

What else to say?
She just said she could book the hotel in Guangzhou.
I was amazed, for sure, because I've never seen that up to now with any other chinese lady.
We spoke about the room, many other things, well, in fact, she said that she could live with me in Guangzhou for six days, no problem about it, with a nice smile to go with her sentence. (what a pleasure, having a webcam to see it ^^)

Sly,  forgive me for an observation that might be off course, take the meat (if any) and throw away the bones.  You seem to be a glutten for punishment.  I think back on all of your gyrations over Ting.  You have a knack for wanting to row upstream against the current.  Finally you shook that obsession and  now you are on what appears to be cosmic meeting with someone who you've really connnected with.  But still (at least as it appears to me), you are obsessed with Shanghai and meeting ladies there.  

Can you not organize your trip so that you spend the first part in Ghanzhou.  If that goes well, cancel the Shanghai part of the trip.  Why put yourself in a position of flying away and leaving someone you hate to leave?  The first three days will tell you if it is worth continuing on.  I know it may be expensive to change tickets, hotels etc.  But why on earth would you want to be stuck in Shanghai wishing you weren't.

I know the lady in Ghangzhou may seem all too easy for you, given your relentless pursuit of Ting.  But WTH, it seems wonderful this one is sooooooo easy.  That may all change when you meet and "live with her" for six days.  But if it is the real deal and you leave her standing in tears at the GZ airport, you may be a candidate for the Dumbass Award.

I may be wrong about your train of thought.  If so, most, if not all of this is unnecessary.  

I admire your courage and your openness.  Old southern (American) proverb:  "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth".  If she is the real deal, take it and run with it. It doesn't have to be unbelievably complicated to be good.

[Sylvain D]

Well, Skip, I was thinking a bit about spending the first part in Gz with Liyan, but I did not really think about it directly, when we talked about spending some time there. I don't know in fact if she will take some holidays to be with me, if she also works in Gz or not at all...
there are some "details" we have to talk about, and so, maybe would it be good to go there at first, for sure. But anyway,I want to spend 2 3 days in Shanghai and visit many places, and also seing 1 or 2 ladies there, even if for now, they just would be some "good friends"...
Even if Liyan chosed the date to meet, I didn't contest, thinking that maybe she would be busy before. Well, it is "again" something I'll talk to her

Scottish', thanks for your comment, too
I gonna tell me that being called Tang wen is also nice

[Sylvain D]

This is the sort of mail that I always dislike reading, because of such meanings :
From Liyan :

"I have a bad day.I will tell you at night"
Maybe no need to worry so much.. maybe yes...
Just waiting a few hours before knowing what it deals about...

[victor-hills]

Im with skip on this one sly leaving someone you hate to leave lo,l are sly likes doing it the hard way but it would not be are sly if he did not hehe anyways bud what eaver you deside to do i wish you all the luck in the world but dont get your self all tryed up in knots agen sly keep that thinking head on this time

[Sylvain D]

From what I've learned, I think that being cautious is really useful.
And I got again the prove...
Today I've been talking to Liyan so on QQ (with webcam); she was worried because she had a bad day (in fact she told me on QQ that it was because of her working computer, she lost data on her harddrive C and that one of her friends had to reinstall Windows XP)
I said her that she could restore data, even if the harddrive was reformated, and she told me that, plus, she didn't have any backup of her data...
Well, I said she could use any softwares to restore her data, like Ontrack Easy Recovery, there is also Phoenix Fat & NTFS, and maybe some other ones...
she smiled because she saw I tried to help her, even if too late, but I said to talk to her colleague tomorrow and that he may could see about the softwares I was talking about...
We then change about any other topic, and we talked about the two of us. I asked her so, how would react her parents about me if something had to happen between her and me (love), and she said that they surely would worry at first because of many things (culture, for example)... I then told my opinion about it, she was happy that I tried to argue... even if she said that whatever she would like to like or love someone, her parents would support her.
I then asked another question, asking if she would be ok to let me post here any picture from her, and talking a bit about this forum. She then said "isn't it", as I understood like a "why not"... and I then replied "I would prefer "yes" or "no" please, because it is important enough, I think"... She then said "I must thinking about it, it is too quick for me"...
Then... I felt like having back a ticket for a rollercoaster...:-/
She told me that she had warm feelings for me but because she is cautious, she prefers being sure about it, and to give her 5 days to see if she really loves me (even if she prays for September to come quick...)
I then felt a bit sad (for sure, man, who would then smile a lot...) and, as we were cam to cam, she saw that I was sad; I just replied to her "sorry that some western men can not really hide their feelings..." and she was worried and sad because of it...because she saw that what she said affected me, and she would have preferred not telling that... but what was done, was done, right?
I just would had shut off that F....G computer and QQ and go away to distress... but she talked to me, saying that since she knew me and that we chatted on QQ, she was really happy, she didn't want me to leave her (blabla... blabla... blabla...), that there was nobody else, that if she didn't like me, she then would had no time to talk with me and that she would not leave me too.
I asked her "why five days?" and she replied, because she needed time to be sure about her feelings, because some past experiences. I then replied to her that, because my past was also bad per moments, man didn't have to live with it but to project in future... because man is building his future, not his past... she also smiled and agreed with that.
I also made her smiling many times since the beginning of that discussion, but at first, she felt really sad (because of her lost data...)
I then told her that in China, man doesn't have to promise anything if he can't do it later... I was talking about the hotel she talked to me yesterday. She felt a bit worried about it and I also told her that maybe would we consider about it later...
I also told her it was not really "necessary to talk about any other questions, because the hotel was listed inside one of them". She then wanted to know, I then replied that I've seen some hotels so in GZ and that there was one suite but it was for lovers (honeymoon) and that the price was really attractive...
she smiled, once again and seemed to be happy to read it...
and I added (but there is only one bed...:-/ I promise I won't snore) and she laughed at loud...
She then said that I could book that hotel if I wanted.
Of course, I said "no I will not, I prefer you do it when you will be sure enough about your feelings for me", and she then smiled and say "ok".
Well...
Skip, you may will better understand now why I will keep the other hotel in Shanghai and why I would also see the other ladies ? Because I don't know what could happen at any moment, and then, I also can a Plan B.
I would also "give up" about that relation because I don't really understand her way to be... (yesterday she talked she was going to book the hotel, today she didn't and tonight, she was still thinking about it) Maybe is it related to the fact she couldn't book from her working computer... (just go over there and try to guess if that's the truth)...
Well...
So, by now, I have a ticket for a 5 day's rollercoaster with Liyan...
But because of many things and her way to be (I also understand her position quite well), I say myself that I have to wait those 5 [censured] days to know what would be at the end of it...

However, and because Liyan seems to be really honest, that's why I believe in that "waiting for a good reason"...and if not, then, for sure... GTH :icon_evil:

[Sylvain D]

For sure, I'll show her she's the One I wish to be with.
She already knows it.
I'll be surely talking to her for those 5 days, looking at her so many times and saying that I really likes many things in her, like her eyes...

Even today she told me again "but I'm not beautiful, only my pictures are"...
I then was a bit "disappointed" and sent her any pictures I got from her via cam (thanks the tool via QQ, useful )
I then told her : "now look the pictures, to me, you look beautiful, and this is original pictures, cam to cam, so in real life you may look more like this and I like those pictures"
she then became shy and understood my point of view about all that.

Go with the flow?
Not really, sorry... I know "gone with the wind" but I doubt it is the same meaning
(sorry... need to smile a bit)

EDIT :
Maybe do you want to say "let it be and then you will see", in fact?